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I don't see a topic about the debate last night.

I didn't watch it because a storm knocked out my internet. Did anyone see it? Who did you think had a good showing? Who didn't do well?

Who are you loomping forward to seeing in tonight's debate?
 
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I don't see a topic about the debate last night.

I didn't watch it because a storm knocked out my internet. Did anyone see it? Who did you think had a good showing? Who didn't do well?

Who are you loomping forward to seeing in tonight's debate?

I watched. It was an interesting night. Just some general observations - Bill DeBlasio really surprised me - he was sharp and well spoken across the board. I don't know if it makes him viable, but he's going to be around for a while. I think Warren had the best night overall, she has, as noted here before a policy for everything and she stands up and fights very, very well. Julian Castro also had an excellent night, especially on immigration and some specific steps that need to be taken to deal with the humanitarian crisis at the border. Beto was a little flat, did not directly answer policy questions very well in two languages but did nothing to make himself really stand out from the mob. I think he might be spiraling downward - but it is early. Gov. Inslee was magnificent on environmental issues and spoke well on other issues as well. He too was a surprise to me. Tulsi did not really offer too much except an apology for past homophobic statements, pointing out she has grown as a person away from those beliefs mainly due to her military experience. She was by far the most non-interventionist on the dais. Foreign affairs did not come up too much so the issue wasn't really big last night. My former Congressman Delaney made a few points and represented himself as a moderate voice of reason and working across the aisle. Of course, unmentioned was his only major across the aisle achievement was rolling back financial limits of banks. Senator Klobuchar was sharp, but did not really dazzle - it that is what the standard is. Corey Booker was well spoken and got some points out as well. Rep. Tim Ryan was pretty consistent in reminding everyone of the need for the party to reconnect with the rust belt workers in the middle who the party has neglected for the last thirty years.

The number of people on stage and the two hour limit made it hard for anyone to really make a deep case. The two teams of moderators were good about controlling the clock. The moderators were Lester Holt, Savannah Guthrie, Jose Diaz Balart for the first hour and they were very good. Rachel Maddow and Chuck Todd worked the second hour. Chuck Todd needs to be replaced as quickly as possible. According to the word counts last night, he spoke more than all but two of the candidates and his questions were very much gotcha questions of the Fox News variety. MSNBC should trade him for Shep Smith and right the imbalance now. He was horrible. Maddow kept her questions and follow ups short and on point. Todd was just suck the air out bad.

I did not watch the post debate spin, although I would have appreciated Laurence O'Donnell, Eugene Robinson and Brian Williams observations, I did not want to listen to Chris Matthews to get it.

I'm looking forward to tonight but I am not expecting a lot of drama or clarity, but it is early.

These candidates are going to have to stand themselves out more going forward so voters can get a better idea of who's who.
 

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I watched. It was an interesting night. Just some general observations - Bill DeBlasio really surprised me - he was sharp and well spoken across the board. I don't know if it makes him viable, but he's going to be around for a while. I think Warren had the best night overall, she has, as noted here before a policy for everything and she stands up and fights very, very well. Julian Castro also had an excellent night, especially on immigration and some specific steps that need to be taken to deal with the humanitarian crisis at the border. Beto was a little flat, did not directly answer policy questions very well in two languages but did nothing to make himself really stand out from the mob. I think he might be spiraling downward - but it is early. Gov. Inslee was magnificent on environmental issues and spoke well on other issues as well. He too was a surprise to me. Tulsi did not really offer too much except an apology for past homophobic statements, pointing out she has grown as a person away from those beliefs mainly due to her military experience. She was by far the most non-interventionist on the dais. Foreign affairs did not come up too much so the issue wasn't really big last night. My former Congressman Delaney made a few points and represented himself as a moderate voice of reason and working across the aisle. Of course, unmentioned was his only major across the aisle achievement was rolling back financial limits of banks. Senator Klobuchar was sharp, but did not really dazzle - it that is what the standard is. Corey Booker was well spoken and got some points out as well. Rep. Tim Ryan was pretty consistent in reminding everyone of the need for the party to reconnect with the rust belt workers in the middle who the party has neglected for the last thirty years.

The number of people on stage and the two hour limit made it hard for anyone to really make a deep case. The two teams of moderators were good about controlling the clock. The moderators were Lester Holt, Savannah Guthrie, Jose Diaz Balart for the first hour and they were very good. Rachel Maddow and Chuck Todd worked the second hour. Chuck Todd needs to be replaced as quickly as possible. According to the word counts last night, he spoke more than all but two of the candidates and his questions were very much gotcha questions of the Fox News variety. MSNBC should trade him for Shep Smith and right the imbalance now. He was horrible. Maddow kept her questions and follow ups short and on point. Todd was just suck the air out bad.

I did not watch the post debate spin, although I would have appreciated Laurence O'Donnell, Eugene Robinson and Brian Williams observations, I did not want to listen to Chris Matthews to get it.

I'm looking forward to tonight but I am not expecting a lot of drama or clarity, but it is early.

These candidates are going to have to stand themselves out more going forward so voters can get a better idea of who's who.
After last night's debate, I would winnow everyone but Julian Castro and Elizabeth Warren.
 
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It was a night of “ how much self-promotion can I get in before getting to the point and getting cut off”. Good grief. Just answer the damn question.

And while you’re at it, quit interrupting and talking over others with your useless viewpoint.
 

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I watched. It was an interesting night. Just some general observations - Bill DeBlasio really surprised me - he was sharp and well spoken across the board. I don't know if it makes him viable, but he's going to be around for a while. I think Warren had the best night overall, she has, as noted here before a policy for everything and she stands up and fights very, very well. Julian Castro also had an excellent night, especially on immigration and some specific steps that need to be taken to deal with the humanitarian crisis at the border. Beto was a little flat, did not directly answer policy questions very well in two languages but did nothing to make himself really stand out from the mob. I think he might be spiraling downward - but it is early. Gov. Inslee was magnificent on environmental issues and spoke well on other issues as well. He too was a surprise to me. Tulsi did not really offer too much except an apology for past homophobic statements, pointing out she has grown as a person away from those beliefs mainly due to her military experience. She was by far the most non-interventionist on the dais. Foreign affairs did not come up too much so the issue wasn't really big last night. My former Congressman Delaney made a few points and represented himself as a moderate voice of reason and working across the aisle. Of course, unmentioned was his only major across the aisle achievement was rolling back financial limits of banks. Senator Klobuchar was sharp, but did not really dazzle - it that is what the standard is. Corey Booker was well spoken and got some points out as well. Rep. Tim Ryan was pretty consistent in reminding everyone of the need for the party to reconnect with the rust belt workers in the middle who the party has neglected for the last thirty years.

The number of people on stage and the two hour limit made it hard for anyone to really make a deep case. The two teams of moderators were good about controlling the clock. The moderators were Lester Holt, Savannah Guthrie, Jose Diaz Balart for the first hour and they were very good. Rachel Maddow and Chuck Todd worked the second hour. Chuck Todd needs to be replaced as quickly as possible. According to the word counts last night, he spoke more than all but two of the candidates and his questions were very much gotcha questions of the Fox News variety. MSNBC should trade him for Shep Smith and right the imbalance now. He was horrible. Maddow kept her questions and follow ups short and on point. Todd was just suck the air out bad.

I did not watch the post debate spin, although I would have appreciated Laurence O'Donnell, Eugene Robinson and Brian Williams observations, I did not want to listen to Chris Matthews to get it.

I'm looking forward to tonight but I am not expecting a lot of drama or clarity, but it is early.

These candidates are going to have to stand themselves out more going forward so voters can get a better idea of who's who.

I didn't see it and appreciate this well written summary. I heard my girl Tulsi was awkward and sort of fumbled her way through it... not surprising. I saw her before the debates and she looked NERVOUS as hell.
 
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I didn't see it and appreciate this well written summary. I heard my girl Tulsi was awkward and sort of fumbled her way through it... not surprising. I saw her before the debates and she looked NERVOUS as hell.

She found her footing during later exchanges, I don't know if she moved the needle much for herself, but she stuck to her positions and did not back down, for what that is worth. The format was tough and as has been noted most people liked Warren and Castro.

Tonight may be more interesting as the outliers volley for position behind Bernie, Biden and Harris. There are bound to be gaffes and a spark or two.
 

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Trump will destroy any of these people one on one next year in the debates.
You could be right. Donald Trump destroys everything he comes in contact with.

Countries
Companies
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Even bankrupts casinos...
 
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She found her footing during later exchanges, I don't know if she moved the needle much for herself, but she stuck to her positions and did not back down, for what that is worth. The format was tough and as has been noted most people liked Warren and Castro. [...]....
I have to agree. She held her own and stood her ground in an intense exchange with Tim Ryan. While maybe in the middle area, I can say that I was impressed. The women were all business, while the men often bordered on mansplaining and being a bunch of blowhards. But, still, a vast improvement and a vastly higher level than the one with eight thoughts and a 3rd grade vocabulary.
 
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I thought Yang did a good job of getting his ideas out there and hopefully prompt some thought on the issue. Senator Harris was quite in the hunt tonight. She nailed Biden on busing very effectively. At the same time Biden presented himself pretty well. He looked and spoke well. Sanders was a bit better than I expected. He laid out his ideas and how he would pay for them. Except for Hickenlooper, the former Governor of Colorado most of the crew did pretty well. Even Ms. Williamson was reasonably on message. It was livelier tonight than last night, but worthwhile in spite of the crowded stage. Hopefully voters will start sending messages than begin thinning the herd.
 
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I watched. It was an interesting night. Just some general observations - Bill DeBlasio really surprised me - he was sharp and well spoken across the board. I don't know if it makes him viable, but he's going to be around for a while. I think Warren had the best night overall, she has, as noted here before a policy for everything and she stands up and fights very, very well. Julian Castro also had an excellent night, especially on immigration and some specific steps that need to be taken to deal with the humanitarian crisis at the border. Beto was a little flat, did not directly answer policy questions very well in two languages but did nothing to make himself really stand out from the mob. I think he might be spiraling downward - but it is early. Gov. Inslee was magnificent on environmental issues and spoke well on other issues as well. He too was a surprise to me. Tulsi did not really offer too much except an apology for past homophobic statements, pointing out she has grown as a person away from those beliefs mainly due to her military experience. She was by far the most non-interventionist on the dais. Foreign affairs did not come up too much so the issue wasn't really big last night. My former Congressman Delaney made a few points and represented himself as a moderate voice of reason and working across the aisle. Of course, unmentioned was his only major across the aisle achievement was rolling back financial limits of banks. Senator Klobuchar was sharp, but did not really dazzle - it that is what the standard is. Corey Booker was well spoken and got some points out as well. Rep. Tim Ryan was pretty consistent in reminding everyone of the need for the party to reconnect with the rust belt workers in the middle who the party has neglected for the last thirty years.

The number of people on stage and the two hour limit made it hard for anyone to really make a deep case. The two teams of moderators were good about controlling the clock. The moderators were Lester Holt, Savannah Guthrie, Jose Diaz Balart for the first hour and they were very good. Rachel Maddow and Chuck Todd worked the second hour. Chuck Todd needs to be replaced as quickly as possible. According to the word counts last night, he spoke more than all but two of the candidates and his questions were very much gotcha questions of the Fox News variety. MSNBC should trade him for Shep Smith and right the imbalance now. He was horrible. Maddow kept her questions and follow ups short and on point. Todd was just suck the air out bad.

I did not watch the post debate spin, although I would have appreciated Laurence O'Donnell, Eugene Robinson and Brian Williams observations, I did not want to listen to Chris Matthews to get it.

I'm looking forward to tonight but I am not expecting a lot of drama or clarity, but it is early.

These candidates are going to have to stand themselves out more going forward so voters can get a better idea of who's who.
Chuck Todd has been bombing in various ways for some time now, often allowing himself to be played by the interviewee. Don't care for him much at all as of late.

I've two takeaways from the two debates. One, (as another news outlet observed) is that they have been the most substantive debates I've seen in some time. Two, is that nearly all of the candidates demonstrated more knowledge, substance, and clarity than that asshat in the Oval Office has EVER shown.

Which, of itself, is QUITE a revelation, imo. And to NO one's surprise, Trump found it "boring." Of COURSE he did, because HE has the mentality of a fkn TODDLER. Too many words for him.

As to the candidates and the issues discussed, let's face it, with ten candidates per night, and in many cases, general agreement on principles (if not the actual processes of seeing them through) I found myself looking moreso at how the candidates presented themselves, or perhaps more accurately, the degree of passion each brought to the... forum (you though I was going to say "to the table"... I hate that expression),

as well as the degree of passion they inspired in the listener/audience. Because however important the ISSUES, however good the ideas and the specifics behind them, it's going to take the ability to inspire the same PASSION among Democratic voters (as Trump inspires hate among HIS) to unseat him.
 

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Chuck Todd has been bombing in various ways for some time now, often allowing himself to be played by the interviewee. Don't care for him much at all as of late.

I've two takeaways from the two debates. One, (as another news outlet observed) is that they have been the most substantive debates I've seen in some time. Two, is that nearly all of the candidates demonstrated more knowledge, substance, and clarity than that asshat in the Oval Office has EVER shown.

Which, of itself, is QUITE a revelation, imo. And to NO one's surprise, Trump found it "boring." Of COURSE he did, because HE has the mentality of a fkn TODDLER. Too many words for him.

As to the candidates and the issues discussed, let's face it, with ten candidates per night, and in many cases, general agreement on principles (if not the actual processes of seeing them through) I found myself looking moreso at how the candidates presented themselves, or perhaps more accurately, the degree of passion each brought to the... forum (you though I was going to say "to the table"... I hate that expression),

as well as the degree of passion they inspired in the listener/audience. Because however important the ISSUES, however good the ideas and the specifics behind them, it's going to take the ability to inspire the same PASSION among Democratic voters (as Trump inspires hate among HIS) to unseat him.

Excellent points, well made, especially on the issue of passion.
 
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