He's got nothing to lose if he runs third party, the establishment pushed him out twice now for one of the old boys club
Democratic party 2020 candidate speculation / discussion thread.
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He's got nothing to lose if he runs third party, the establishment pushed him out twice now for one of the old boys club
If you talk people voting Biden, a lot of them like Bernie's ideas they just are too afraid he'll lose against Trump.
So Bernie asking Biden to embrace more of "the self-described democratic socialist's progressive agenda and a commitment to the younger voters who’ve fueled both of Sanders presidential campaigns." isn't a bad thing.
It's not just Bernie supporters that like his platform, a lot of Warren's platform was similar too.
Harris endorsed Biden but she had issues with his past I wouldn't be surprised if she got consideration for VP out of it. i'm sure Amy, Pete and Mike all got something for dropping out and supporting Biden too.
Nah, the debates with be Dementia vs Dementia-er. Trump can't string a complete sentence together either. It's going to be a cluster trying to get either one to answer a question.
After the 2016 election, the DNC was forced to change its rules by the Sanders coalition. Bernie and his allies helped write the new rules:
DNC changes superdelegate rules in presidential nomination process
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By Adam Levy, CNN
Updated 7:33 PM ET, Sat August 25, 2018
DNC changes superdelegate rules after Bernie Sanders' supporters slammed process that paved way for Clinton in 2016 - CNNPolitics
But the DNC also changed the debate rules to let Bloomberg in when Biden was failing.
DNC changes debate rules, opening the door for Bloomberg
They are changing the rules to keep Tulsi out.
DNC Changes Rules to Eliminate Tulsi Gabbard from Debate
I'm not a fan of hers but I am sure they are scared how she could debate Biden well and along with Bernie make Biden look bad.
Even the GOP are noticing it:
Mike Huckabee: DNC changed its debate rules to help Bloomberg and hurt Gabbard
Bernie had the votes from his followers, but he did not get the votes from the folks that crawl out of the woodwork with each election. It makes life interesting.
The No. 1 reason Biden is likely to beat Trump
Think back, and likability is usually the key to presidential electability. Both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton had terrible favorability ratings, but a Rasmussen poll in June 2016 found more voters would rather have a beer with Trump than Clinton. Barack Obama was more likable than Mitt Romney and at least as likable as John McCain. George W. Bush was more likable than Al Gore. Bill Clinton was more likable than Bob Dole or George H.W. Bush, who in turn was more likable than Michael Dukakis. Ronald Reagan was more likable than Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale. Carter was at least as likable as Gerald Ford.
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Given how important this metric is, it’s astonishing how seldom it’s measured. Pollsters often ask whether voters have a favorable view of candidates and whether candidates share their values, but seldom about likability. But using favorability as a proxy, it’s striking that in a recent CNN poll, voters have a far more favorable impression of Biden (+4) than of Sanders (-10).
There’s a good reason Trump, whose own favorable/unfavorable rating is -11 in that CNN survey, would rather face Sanders. Biden is Trump’s worst nightmare: a Democrat who is far more likable than he is. Based on that metric alone, Biden has a strong chance of prevailing in November.
There’s a good reason Trump, whose own favorable/unfavorable rating is -11 in that CNN survey, would rather face Sanders. Biden is Trump’s worst nightmare: a Democrat who is far more likable than he is. Based on that metric alone, Biden has a strong chance of prevailing in November. Hopefully America will have had enough of the liar, racist, pig, psycho, Trump. He is an embarrassment beyond words. He is pure evil, a real sociopath.Think back, and likability is usually the key to presidential electability. Both Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton had terrible favorability ratings, but a Rasmussen poll in June 2016 found more voters would rather have a beer with Trump than Clinton. Barack Obama was more likable than Mitt Romney and at least as likable as John McCain. George W. Bush was more likable than Al Gore. Bill Clinton was more likable than Bob Dole or George H.W. Bush, who in turn was more likable than Michael Dukakis. Ronald Reagan was more likable than Jimmy Carter or Walter Mondale. Carter was at least as likable as Gerald Ford.
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Given how important this metric is, it’s astonishing how seldom it’s measured. Pollsters often ask whether voters have a favorable view of candidates and whether candidates share their values, but seldom about likability. But using favorability as a proxy, it’s striking that in a recent CNN poll, voters have a far more favorable impression of Biden (+4) than of Sanders (-10).
There’s a good reason Trump, whose own favorable/unfavorable rating is -11 in that CNN survey, would rather face Sanders. Biden is Trump’s worst nightmare: a Democrat who is far more likable than he is. Based on that metric alone, Biden has a strong chance of prevailing in November.
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I wouldn't want to commit myself to the claim that the most egregious problem at hand with the presidential candidates as potentials is inappropriate touching. But when it comes to whom I'd rather get a drink with, I'm pretty sure I'd favor a liar and bigot (an argument could be made that this accurately describes Biden also) over someone who has absolutely no sense of boundaries. Lol
Perhaps the media just hasn't been hitting him as hard on this point as they have with all of Blumpf's demerits.
I wouldn't want to commit myself to the claim that the most egregious problem at hand with the presidential candidates as potentials is inappropriate touching. But when it comes to whom I'd rather get a drink with, I'm pretty sure I'd favor a liar and bigot (an argument could be made that this accurately describes Biden also) over someone who has absolutely no sense of boundaries. Lol
Perhaps the media just hasn't been hitting him as hard on this point as they have with all of Blumpf's demerits.
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LOL. You see this as worse than President "grab 'em by the pussy," and " I moved on her like a bitch? " wow. Staggering.
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Black voters broke for Biden — but will that lead to victory?
This might come off as racist, but I'll say it anyway and accept the consequences. White liberals, for all their talk of inclusion and diversity, are really only concerned with the affairs of other white people and think non-white people are inconsequential. They might not openly support white supremacy, but it is baked into their worldview.
The black vote is extremely important in the Democratic primary, but I don't think a lot of white liberals really believe that. That is why in 2016 they sat around in stunned disbelief when a candidate with no pull with African American voters lost to the most hated politician in history, who had a lot of sway with black voters. What's more, I don't think they understand the sheer economic, educational and ethnic diversity of black Americans. Instead preferring to view all black people as a monolith of uneducated, poor people living in the "hood".
I don't think Bernie Sanders made any real attempts to appeal to the black community in the past four years and now he is paying for it.
This might come off as racist, but I'll say it anyway and accept the consequences. White liberals, for all their talk of inclusion and diversity, are really only concerned with the affairs of other white people and think non-white people are inconsequential. They might not openly support white supremacy, but it is baked into their worldview.
The black vote is extremely important in the Democratic primary, but I don't think a lot of white liberals really believe that. That is why in 2016 they sat around in stunned disbelief when a candidate with no pull with African American voters lost to the most hated politician in history, who had a lot of sway with black voters. What's more, I don't think they understand the sheer economic, educational and ethnic diversity of black Americans. Instead preferring to view all black people as a monolith of uneducated, poor people living in the "hood".
I don't think Bernie Sanders made any real attempts to appeal to the black community in the past four years and now he is paying for it.
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Just want to add, I come to this conclusion partially after seeing the reaction the progressive left has had to Sanders imminent defeat. All the talk has centered on the media bias and rigging of the election. I haven't heard much if anything, from the Progressive left at least, about how Sanders failed to reach black voters. It is like they can't grasp that the black vote has value and matters in these elections.
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Bernie Sanders Reached Out to Black Voters. Why Didn’t It Work?
The democratic socialist champions underrepresented groups. So far they’ve voted, en masse, for his rival.
Adam Harris March 10, 2020
Bernie Sanders Reached Out to Black Voters. Why Didn’t It Work?
‘There’s a blind spot’: Sanders reboots black voter outreach
Sanders’ inability to win over African-American voters, particularly those who are middle-aged and older, is suffocating his campaign.
‘There’s a blind spot’: Sanders reboots black voter outreach
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Fair enough. It hasn't really been spoken about at any of the news outlets I pay attention to, though.
You mean when he was talking about consensual sex with women who like powerful men, right?
No, it sounded more like assault, but I guess it depends on whether you are grabbing the pussy or having your pussy grabbed - as Harvey Weinstein found out this week.
Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations - Wikipedia
List of Trump's accusers and their allegations of sexual misconduct
Trump accused of 26 new cases of ‘unwanted sexual contact’
No it sounded like he was talking about how easy it is for rich men to get pussy.
accusations and allegations? I'm going to need proof, as an America you should be thankful for that. Guaranteed some of those are fake because Orange Man Bad.
There is no proof you would ever accept - we've seen that thousands of time here - but it the allegations involve a Democrat, well, you're the first to condemn and yell - re: Andrew Gillum thread latest example. Rightly his behavior looks really fucking bad, but you do not apply the same standard to Trump - ever. Yes, we see the Orange Man Is Bad, but so are you in how you rationalize and accept it.
The difference is there is actual proof that Andrew Gillum was in a motel with a gay prostitute doing crystal meth.
The Trump stuff is only allegations, otherwise they would not use the words "may have" "could have" "allegedly"
The Biden stuff is all right wing fantasy, but that is enough for you. You proved my point again, thanks, love to Julie too.