Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh Retires

[StormfrontFL]

Great choice of words

Honestly I don't even pay attention to Trinity. Star even though we philosophically disagree we can intelligently debate and come to a middle ground usually.

Trinity you obviously don't have a clue on how large systems work. How much time it takes to get the simplest things done and you say the exact same things in every one of your posts.

You sound like one of these people I see on video game forums that are like "the Wii sucks" and when you ask why the say because "it's a kiddie system" without giving any personal insight, experience, substance, or depth to your arguments. It's the same visceral bullshit that everyone spews when things aren't perfect or generalizations people make because the don't want actually look both ways before crossing the street. And you'll continue to bitch and whine and moan even when things are good because they aren't good enough or because you can't get your way.

It's the same thing over and over again. And again and again it seems you have an agenda and you support the same consensus uber right-wing policies even when you say personally you go the other way.

You really need to get yourself together honestly. Get off the couch. Don't turn on your TV for a week. Take a vaca. Get whoever programmed you to change your batteries, check some faulty wires and replace that one bolt and washer that has rusted. Also a new upgraded processor wouldn't hurt.

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[Trinity]

Great choice of words

Honestly I don't even pay attention to Trinity. Star even though we philosophically disagree we can intelligently debate and come to a middle ground usually.

Trinity you obviously don't have a clue on how large systems work. How much time it takes to get the simplest things done and you say the exact same things in every one of your posts.

You sound like one of these people I see on video game forums that are like "the Wii sucks" and when you ask why the say because "it's a kiddie system" without giving any personal insight, experience, substance, or depth to your arguments. It's the same visceral bullshit that everyone spews when things aren't perfect or generalizations people make because the don't want actually look both ways before crossing the street. And you'll continue to bitch and whine and moan even when things are good because they aren't good enough or because you can't get your way.

It's the same thing over and over again. And again and again it seems you have an agenda and you support the same consensus uber right-wing policies even when you say personally you go the other way.

You really need to get yourself together honestly. Get off the couch. Don't turn on your TV for a week. Take a vaca. Get whoever programmed you to change your batteries, check some faulty wires and replace that one bolt and washer that has rusted. Also a new upgraded processor wouldn't hurt.

You pay attention...as evidenced by your little post. :wink:

And get real. I back up my posts, opinions and comments with substance, information and sources. If it appears repetitive to you then Obama and the Dems should stop repeating mistakes. This is a discussion of politics not gaming.

And as far as people whining even when things are going good...how would know? That's a claim you have no proof of thanks to Obama's lackluster performance thus far.

If anything you said were true about me being uber-right wing...Obama's approval ratings wouldn't be down so low and he wouldn't have watched support for his agenda and polices evaporate. The majority that elected Obama obviously feel the same way I way feel. Is everybody uber-right wing and just whining? No. They are Democrats, Independents and Republicans who know Obama isn't listening. They are a majority of Americans who feel Obama and the Dems are leading the country in the wrong direction. And they don't support Obama's policies.

Smooth you seem to be apart of the "hide your head in the sand" contingent that bought the Obama T-Shirts and the now worthless Obama China Plates and finally, you can't seem to let go of "your hopes ala Obama" long enough to be honest and admit Obama is making serious mistakes and not delivering what he promised in his campaign.

If you feel that it's only a matter of time before Obama somehow proves the majority of Americans who don't support his policies and are doubtful he should even be reelected based on his current performance, wrong...then great for you. Unfortunately, we aren't playing Wii here. We can't afford to pay attention to you because you haven't read a newspaper and you are uninformed on issues: the national debt and China's threats when they hold most of our debt, or the fact that just a week ago Obama was touting the fact that unemployment decreased but its not so news worthy that unemployment increased unexpectantly again, or the mistakes on National Security or the fact that the Stimulus is such a collosal failure that Obama is spending more money we don't have on another stimulus to be called a Jobs bill...all this substance has been discussed with arguments backed up.

We aren't playing Wii. Perhaps you should stop gaming and stop drinking the kool-aid long enough to read posts. If you refuted actual arguments then maybe you would have a point, otherwise you are just playing Wii in an Obama T-Shirt screaming "leave Barack alone..." like that Brittany fanatic, ignoring the serious issues this Nation is facing.

 

[Industrialsize]

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[maxcok]

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[Pauligan]

And get real. I back up my posts, opinions and comments with substance, information and sources....

From what I've read of your posts and ignorant nonsense, the only thing, you back up would be your toilet and maybe a line in a store or bank as you do your faux knowledge act. Repeatedly putting the same 1 liners and rhetoric is not backing up anything it's saying you heard it once liked the sound and kept posting it up because you know nothing else.

 

[maxcok]

From what I've read of your posts and ignorant nonsense, the only thing, you back up would be your toilet . . .

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Now get ready for the IGNAW to tell us how ignorant we are.

 

[Trinity]

From what I've read of your posts and ignorant nonsense, the only thing, you back up would be your toilet and maybe a line in a store or bank as you do your faux knowledge act. Repeatedly putting the same 1 liners and rhetoric is not backing up anything it's saying you heard it once liked the sound and kept posting it up because you know nothing else.

The only ignorant nonsense is coming from you. My knowledge is not in question. You have no point. They only way you would have a point is if you or others actually refuted arguments and substance rather than posting sad little whiney personal attacks. If you can't discuss the issues, you resort posting your frustration with...basically yourself!

 

[maxcok]

Now get ready for the IGNAW to tell us how ignorant we are.

Told ya. So predictable. Just in case it tries to edit:

The only ignorant nonsense is coming from you. My knowledge is not in question. You have no point. They only way you would have a point is if you or others actually refuted arguments and substance rather than posting sad little whiney personal attacks. If you can't discuss the issues, you resort posting your frustration with...basically yourself!

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[Pauligan]

The only ignorant nonsense is coming from you. My knowledge is not in question. You have no point. They only way you would have a point is if you or others actually refuted arguments and substance rather than posting sad little whiney personal attacks. If you can't discuss the issues, you resort posting your frustration with...basically yourself!

Your lack of knowledge is not in question.

I gave a detailed statement earlier in this very thread and you had no real response, just, more of your useless rhetoric, which is what, you used in my response to you in another thread and what you do each and every time to any who won't agree with your b.s.

 

[maxcok]

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Okay Pauly, time to take your medicine.

 

[Trinity]

I gave a detailed statement earlier in this very thread and you had no real response, just, more of your useless rhetoric, which is what, you used in my response to you in another thread and what you do each and every time to any who won't agree with your b.s.

That never happened. I addressed your statement with a response based on substantive political facts:

FACT: Obama and the Dems squandered a supermajority and now HAVE to say Jobs everyday because the issue they were actually focused on Obamacare is a lame duck.

FACT: The Republicans have made gains. The Dems, who had all the power are losing power.

You just don't like the facts of the response and you don't agree. My knowledge is not in question...yours however is.

FACTS are highlighted in blue for you in my comments.

At present both Democrats and Republicans have issues which need to be resolved, the Republicans to a greater degree. While it is true that Massachusetts recently placed a Republican in a long held Democratic seat, this should not be seen as everything turning. The Democrats candidate did very little in campaigning figuring she would win just by being a Democrat. Across the country Democrats are now appreciative of the need to go and speak with the voters and not rest on the laurels of previous legislators. The early changes in both the Massachusetts Senate and in a few gubernatorial races such as New Jersey which elected a Republican after a Democrat, are indeed to the benefit of the Democrats. They can see where voters are most upset and make the changes needed, and then secure the votes needed in November to keep them in the majority. The Republicans are opening the champagne too soon.

True.

Yes, because their brand was more damaged but No, because the Democrats have messed up something that was nearly impossible to mess up.


Hmmm...not too long ago the Republican Party was left for dead. So, while they certainly have a ways to go to rebuild the damage of the Bush Administration, how badly Obama and the Democrats are doing is horrific. The Republicans were seemingly dead, while Obama had the greatest support ever and the Dems controlled both Houses and even had a supermajority. Obama and the Dems had to make mistakes of monumental proportions to mess that up so completely! The Republicans have made gains while the Democrats are losing power, credibility and the trust and support of the American people.

Since the Democrats are in leadership in the White House and the Congress, the major responsibility is on them to lead and to listen to the American people. They can't blame Bush or the minority party for THEIR failures. They got it wrong. It's time for the Democrats to accept the responsibility and listen to the American people.

Oh, the midterm elections as it stands right now will most likely be bad for the Democrats unless they regroup and start listening to the American people.

Mr.Obama and the Democrats are attempting to fix what is broken. Fixing involves trying different things to discover which method works best. This will be a long and arduous journey, it is not for the weak. Rome wasn't built in a day and sites of destruction from storms and earthquakes are not built back up in a year or two. If you're too weak to stand the journey, then step aside, step aside.

Do you really want to compare Obama's time in the Sun to Rome? By the time everyone realized that what they were doing didn't work, Rome fell.

Obama messed up. He should have started with jobs and addressed deficits before today. You can't tackle universal healthcare and Cap and Trade without solutions for Social Security, Medicare and our seemingly insurmountable debt and deficits. Obama messed up. More to the point, his mess ups were leading to the ruination of America.

Obama and the Dems policies and priorities were completely wrong. They needed to listen to the American people...otherwise they will be out.

Sir, I see no reason to even try to have a level conversation with you with intelligent exchange of idea, when it is evident you are unable to face or comprehend reality it goes beyond sheer unwillingness, you appear to lack cognitive skills. Go back to the beginning to find the places where Mr.Obama was handed a massive disaster, one which as I told you will take time to repair and heal. Beyond all of this, we need to give the man time, come back in 20 months and you will marvel at the sheer genius of his patience and persistence and how those talents help in shifting this country back to a path of recovery.

I am also curious about what you mean by "his mistakes were leading to..." Were? Was he responsible for the rising debt and the military actions which happened under an earlier president?

No sir, there is no reason to attempt in helping you see reason, you have shown me that from your words, reason is beyond your capabilities, which is sad but not the end of the world.

Ma'am, At this point in our discourse that describes you.

Until you share that crystal ball with everyone , or Obama starts listening to the American people...Obama's poll numbers will remain in the dumps. Nobody expects him to fix everything in the first 100 days or even the first year. The problem is, the first year most of what he did do wasn't what we needed. After suffering massive defeats to his agenda and threats to Democratic control in the midterm elections is he finallygetting around to Jobs focus, corrections to his National Security policies, transparency, and working with the loyal opposition.

Obama was elected to address those problems. Obama's focus on government run healthcare written by congress with sweetheart deals massive spending and cuts in medicare rather than a focus on Jobs was foolish. Obama's policies don't have the support of the American people because a majority believe he is leading the country in the wrong direction. Check a poll. Obama is President now. The time has run out on blaming those who came before him.

Ma'am, You simply refuse to realize that a majority of Americans don't support Obama's policies. Reason may be beyond your capabilities.

 

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[B_VinylBoy]

Your lack of knowledge is not in question.

I gave a detailed statement earlier in this very thread and you had no real response, just, more of your useless rhetoric, which is what, you used in my response to you in another thread and what you do each and every time to any who won't agree with your b.s.

I'm liking the newcomers. They learn so quickly around here! :biggrin1:

 

[Trinity]

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That's about all you've got.

 

[Smooth88]

You pay attention...as evidenced by your little post. :wink:

And get real. I back up my posts, opinions and comments with substance, information and sources. If it appears repetitive to you then Obama and the Dems should stop repeating mistakes. This is a discussion of politics not gaming.

It's called an analogy. And as far as I'm concerned it seems like according to you Republicans can do no wrong. And in honestly all your posts say the same thing in different wording. Honestly with me at least you have no credibility because we don't know your living situation. Where you're from you living situation. And a good reason why your so angry. And you never speak a word on anything involving more local sectors of i.e. state and municipal and why you have such a seething hatred for Dems. It took FDR 4 terms and WWII to rebuild the economy from the Great Depression. What makes you think ANYONE can reverse what's been done to our economy in the span of 16 months

And as far as people whining even when things are going good...how would know? That's a claim you have no proof of thanks to Obama's lackluster performance thus far.

Because people will complain regardless if they don't have their way. There's always going to be right leaners complaining when a Dem is in office and left leaners when a Republican is in Office if you haven't been paying to the explosion of cable news networks over the past 20 years and the fact that now everyone can voice their opinions in forums like this on the internet or on blogs. Everyone has a voice no matter how astute or idiotic your points are.

If anything you said were true about me being uber-right wing...Obama's approval ratings wouldn't be down so low and he wouldn't have watched support for his agenda and polices evaporate. The majority that elected Obama obviously feel the same way I way feel. Is everybody uber-right wing and just whining? No. They are Democrats, Independents and Republicans who know Obama isn't listening. They are a majority of Americans who feel Obama and the Dems are leading the country in the wrong direction. And they don't support Obama's policies.

One thing I've learned is that electing politicians is almost like picking between the lesser of two evils because generally politicians are usually either out of touch with the people or looking out for themselves or both. And I don't know where you're from because many of my family and friends and other aquaintences feel he's done at least an adequate job. Not great , not good, but adequate and remember there are those people that voted for Obama not as a vote for him but as a vote against McCain. So don't pretend you know what's inside the heads of all voters and with your polls and numbers shove em up your ass. Whether they support Obama or detract because polls only represent a minuscule proportion of voters.

Smooth you seem to be apart of the "hide your head in the sand" contingent that bought the Obama T-Shirts and the now worthless Obama China Plates and finally, you can't seem to let go of "your hopes ala Obama" long enough to be honest and admit Obama is making serious mistakes and not delivering what he promised in his campaign.

Mhm because I make one positive comment about the man I'm automatically a cheerleader o boy. Assumptions, assumptions. Honestly I felt going in it probably wasn't going to be possible for Obama to get done what he wanted because most people in congress Dems and Republicasns are too worried about their own jobs that they can't and won't put differences aside and come together.

If you feel that it's only a matter of time before Obama somehow proves the majority of Americans who don't support his policies and are doubtful he should even be reelected based on his current performance, wrong...then great for you. Unfortunately, we aren't playing Wii here. We can't afford to pay attention to you because you haven't read a newspaper and you are uninformed on issues: the national debt and China's threats when they hold most of our debt, or the fact that just a week ago Obama was touting the fact that unemployment decreased but its not so news worthy that unemployment increased unexpectantly again, or the mistakes on National Security or the fact that the Stimulus is such a collosal failure that Obama is spending more money we don't have on another stimulus to be called a Jobs bill...all this substance has been discussed with arguments backed up.

We aren't playing Wii. Perhaps you should stop gaming and stop drinking the kool-aid long enough to read posts. If you refuted actual arguments then maybe you would have a point, otherwise you are just playing Wii in an Obama T-Shirt screaming "leave Barack alone..." like that Brittany fanatic, ignoring the serious issues this Nation is facing.

Thing is the difference between me and you is I don't pretend to know everything. I know my life situation. I actually use common sense. I don't get into political arguments because honestly they're generally rather pointless and only generate more anger, hate and dissension. I don't pretend to be the consensus opinion like you do. I'm just a 21 year old black male college student from suburban New Jersey. I know most people will only seek out information that only supports their arguments and dismiss the rest as wrong and not even give it a thought. I know most people will not waver from their opinions. I know most media outlets only give the same general condensed fluff because most people can't or don't want to look at what's going on and can't fathom the complexities of the American government. I know America is not and never will be Utopia and there are ebbs and flows to life.

There's really too much nitpicking and overanalyzing going on about what it in reality the most difficult and most stressful job in the United States and possibly the world being U.S. President. And all presidents in the internet age are. Obama, Dubya, and Clinton have.

I know what I am Trinity and I know what's important to me. Peace, Global credibility, more help for the middle class, education, help for small businesses and curbing corruption and unfair corporate practices.

 

[Smooth88]

Your lack of knowledge is not in question.

I gave a detailed statement earlier in this very thread and you had no real response, just, more of your useless rhetoric, which is what, you used in my response to you in another thread and what you do each and every time to any who won't agree with your b.s.

This.

 

[maxcok]

Once again, my hat is off to you Smooth, and to your Grandma. Here's to the wisdom of youth and the wisdom of age, to plain speaking and common sense. You keep it real, and give her a big kiss for me, okay?

 

[StormfrontFL]

Thing is the difference between me and you is I don't pretend to know everything. I know my life situation. I actually use common sense. I don't get into political arguments because honestly they're generally rather pointless and only generate more anger, hate and dissension. I don't pretend to be the consensus opinion like you do. I'm just a 21 year old black male college student from suburban New Jersey. I know most people will only seek out information that only supports their arguments and dismiss the rest as wrong and not even give it a thought. I know most people will not waver from their opinions. I know most media outlets only give the same general condensed fluff because most people can't or don't want to look at what's going on and can't fathom the complexities of the American government. I know America is not and never will be Utopia and there are ebbs and flows to life.

There's really too much nitpicking and overanalyzing going on about what it in reality the most difficult and most stressful job in the United States and possibly the world being U.S. President. And all presidents in the internet age are. Obama, Dubya, and Clinton have.

I know what I am Trinity and I know what's important to me. Peace, Global credibility, more help for the middle class, education, help for small businesses and curbing corruption and unfair corporate practices.

You described that dude Trinity perfectly. He, and the few others who agree with him, have a history of editing posts in order to leave out any info that contradicts their views. They also like to tell others what is racist. Imagine that. A white guy telling a black guy when they should be upset about racism.

 

[Trinity]

Originally Posted by Trinity
You pay attention...as evidenced by your little post. :wink:

And get real. I back up my posts, opinions and comments with substance, information and sources. If it appears repetitive to you then Obama and the Dems should stop repeating mistakes. This is a discussion of politics not gaming.

It's called an analogy. And as far as I'm concerned it seems like according to you Republicans can do no wrong.

Too bad, it was a bad analogy.

I'm not a Republican and I have criticized Republicans in my posts plenty. I didn't vote for Bush and his party deserved the desimation it received for it's devastating errors during his administration. The spending and economic errors that led to our current situation and how the war in Iraq was initiated and waged are two errors that are major to me. So, you are wrong there. I don't believe Republicans can do no wrong.

The problem is...it is a shame when Republicans make more sense than Democrats and right now...They definitely do! Obama was swept in on a massive amount of support from the people, the media and with the strongest legislative power of any President. He had the WH, the media and both chambers of congress on his side WITH a supermajority and currently today...a majority of Americans DO NOT agree with his policies and believe the country is heading in the wrong direction.

Bush is gone...Bush's errors that led to massive problems do not need to be restated. We know. Obama was elected because he said he was the best candidate with a plan to fix those problems. Remember Obama's "Blueprint for Change?" What we need is for Obama to do what he said he would do. He hasn't. Obama and the Dems have failed to listen to American people. Circumstances have changed since inauguration. Biden admitted the recession was deeper than they realized. We can't keep the spending and borrowing just because the Democrats have an agenda. Jobs should have been the first priority with a health insurance reform areas that both parties agreed on.

A majority of Americans are agreeing on the issues and Republicans are on the right side of the issues:

Healthcare: The Republicans are making more sense due to our current economic situation. A majority of Americans agree. It's not about hating Obama, it's about not agreeing with his policies. Obamacare is a shameful mess riddled with disgusting sweetheart deals, unrealistic medicare cuts, taxes, and government control that threatens quality of care, access and our entire future.

National Security: The Christmas Day fiasco. 9/11 Trials Sorry but the Republicans are right again.

Cap and Tax: Sorry, but Dems have to be crazy

Stimulus: Republicans right again. The proof is in the pudding. Obama is now trying to borrow MORE money tax payers have to somehow repay to do exactly what the Republicans said in the first place for small businesses. Half the money of the 867 Billion hasn't even gone out and few jobs created.

And in honestly all your posts say the same thing in different wording. Honestly with me at least you have no credibility because we don't know your living situation. Where you're from you living situation. And a good reason why your so angry. And you never speak a word on anything involving more local sectors of i.e. state and municipal and why you have such a seething hatred for Dems. It took FDR 4 terms and WWII to rebuild the economy from the Great Depression. What makes you think ANYONE can reverse what's been done to our economy in the span of 16 months

I have plenty of credibility because I back up my arguments with substantive information and sources. This is the internet. My personal information is not required to discuss politics. There are dozens of articles on why the electorate is angry. But I can tell you that the Democratic party has disappointed me and judging by the current polls alot of others agree.
I don't hate Democrats. I voted for Hillary Clinton in the Primary. I believe so many Democrats should be gone from Congress, it would take too long to list though. Evan Bayh wasn't one of them though. Pelosi is first on the list, then Harry Reid, then Barney Frank, Charlie Rangel, and so on. If you don't know why they should go...please do some research.

No one is asserting that Obama had to fix everything in 16 months. Obama's mistakes are blatant and apparent. Obamacare is a disaster. If wasn't Obama wouldn't be writing his own bill now... The Dems need to stop borrowing and spending. Jobs and the deficit...Obama doesn't know what he's doing - which is why he calls all these commissions. For someone who claimed he knew what to and was ready...Obama's been a major disappointment. The lack of listening, lack transparency and pure arrogance and continued spending just for an agenda is enough. Enter the Tea Party Movement.

And as far as people whining even when things are going good...how would know? That's a claim you have no proof of thanks to Obama's lackluster performance thus far.

Because people will complain regardless if they don't have their way. There's always going to be right leaners complaining when a Dem is in office and left leaners when a Republican is in Office if you haven't been paying to the explosion of cable news networks over the past 20 years and the fact that now everyone can voice their opinions in forums like this on the internet or on blogs. Everyone has a voice no matter how astute or idiotic your points are.

You would have a point if Obama and the Democrats weren't in serious political trouble as verified by anyone you ask. So, you don't have a point. The complaints aren't just noise or idiotic points going out on airwaves that don't matter. The election of Scott Brown demonstrated that. Either Obama and the Dems will get it or they will be gone.

If anything you said were true about me being uber-right wing...Obama's approval ratings wouldn't be down so low and he wouldn't have watched support for his agenda and polices evaporate. The majority that elected Obama obviously feel the same way I way feel. Is everybody uber-right wing and just whining? No. They are Democrats, Independents and Republicans who know Obama isn't listening. They are a majority of Americans who feel Obama and the Dems are leading the country in the wrong direction. And they don't support Obama's policies.

One thing I've learned is that electing politicians is almost like picking between the lesser of two evils because generally politicians are usually either out of touch with the people or looking out for themselves or both. And I don't know where you're from because many of my family and friends and other aquaintences feel he's done at least an adequate job. Not great , not good, but adequate and remember there are those people that voted for Obama not as a vote for him but as a vote against McCain. So don't pretend you know what's inside the heads of all voters and with your polls and numbers shove em up your ass. Whether they support Obama or detract because polls only represent a minuscule proportion of voters.

Sorry, but nothing you said makes me uber-rightwing when others who are Independents and Dems agree with me. You are talking about why we choose one politician over another. So what? The polls actually show a complete disconnect between Obama and the voters on issues. Obama's approval rating contradicts your friends and contrary to what you believe, respected scientific polls conducted properly do represent the voters. We don't go by just polls. Look at Scott Brown in MA. Look at other elections. The Townhalls, the Tea Party Movement. You can ignore it if you'd like, but Obama and the Dems don't have the support of the majority of voters.

 

[maxcok]

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