Democratic Socialist Finland Government Collapses

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Bernie Sanders favorite country falls apart.

Finland Government Resigns After Overhauls Fall Through


COPENHAGEN — Finland’s center-right government, headed by Prime Minister Juha Sipila, resigned on Friday after failing to push through an overhaul of social and health care programs.

“I take the responsibility for the failure. It has been a huge disappointment to me,” Mr. Sipila said at a news conference, according to the public broadcaster YLE. The changes, he added, “had been one of our most important projects.”

President Sauli Niinisto accepted the resignation of Mr. Sipila, who came to power in May 2015 and will continue to serve in a care-taking role. The move came just weeks before parliamentary elections, scheduled for April 14, to renew the country’s 200-seat Eduskunta assembly.

The health care overhaul was intended to address the needs of an aging population while improving efficiency and reducing public spending by 3 billion euros, about $3.4 billion, by 2029. Several previous government’s, like Mr. Siplia’s, tried and failed to make significant changes to the health care system.


Mr. Sipala’s three-party governing coalition included his own Center Party, the National Coalition Party and the small populist Blue Reform Party, once part of the euroskeptic True Finns. Last year, the latter broke into two parties after internal divisions over tighter immigration policies.•••


The self proclaimed “happiest country” has an alcoholism rate of 35%.

No wonder they are happy. Be careful of what you wish for in terms of single payer.
 

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Bernie Sanders favorite country falls apart.

Finland Government Resigns After Overhauls Fall Through


COPENHAGEN — Finland’s center-right government, headed by Prime Minister Juha Sipila, resigned on Friday after failing to push through an overhaul of social and health care programs.

“I take the responsibility for the failure. It has been a huge disappointment to me,” Mr. Sipila said at a news conference, according to the public broadcaster YLE. The changes, he added, “had been one of our most important projects.”

President Sauli Niinisto accepted the resignation of Mr. Sipila, who came to power in May 2015 and will continue to serve in a care-taking role. The move came just weeks before parliamentary elections, scheduled for April 14, to renew the country’s 200-seat Eduskunta assembly.

The health care overhaul was intended to address the needs of an aging population while improving efficiency and reducing public spending by 3 billion euros, about $3.4 billion, by 2029. Several previous government’s, like Mr. Siplia’s, tried and failed to make significant changes to the health care system.


Mr. Sipala’s three-party governing coalition included his own Center Party, the National Coalition Party and the small populist Blue Reform Party, once part of the euroskeptic True Finns. Last year, the latter broke into two parties after internal divisions over tighter immigration policies.•••


The self proclaimed “happiest country” has an alcoholism rate of 35%.

No wonder they are happy. Be careful of what you wish for in terms of single payer.

Great article in WSJ about how Socialists should look carefully at the VA before they try to sell the rest of us on a single payor.
 

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Bernie Sanders favorite country falls apart.

Finland Government Resigns After Overhauls Fall Through


COPENHAGEN — Finland’s center-right government, headed by Prime Minister Juha Sipila, resigned on Friday after failing to push through an overhaul of social and health care programs.

“I take the responsibility for the failure. It has been a huge disappointment to me,” Mr. Sipila said at a news conference, according to the public broadcaster YLE. The changes, he added, “had been one of our most important projects.”

President Sauli Niinisto accepted the resignation of Mr. Sipila, who came to power in May 2015 and will continue to serve in a care-taking role. The move came just weeks before parliamentary elections, scheduled for April 14, to renew the country’s 200-seat Eduskunta assembly.

The health care overhaul was intended to address the needs of an aging population while improving efficiency and reducing public spending by 3 billion euros, about $3.4 billion, by 2029. Several previous government’s, like Mr. Siplia’s, tried and failed to make significant changes to the health care system.


Mr. Sipala’s three-party governing coalition included his own Center Party, the National Coalition Party and the small populist Blue Reform Party, once part of the euroskeptic True Finns. Last year, the latter broke into two parties after internal divisions over tighter immigration policies.•••


The self proclaimed “happiest country” has an alcoholism rate of 35%.

No wonder they are happy. Be careful of what you wish for in terms of single payer.

The government didn't collapse. That's a word you just stuck in there for drama even though it's not present in the article.

Finnish government has an election coming up in a month and they were going to be out campaigning anyways. The current party in power promised to resign if they failed to deliver health care reform this term. They failed, and so they resigned. The new elections will still take place in a month.

Finland has universal healthcare now and will continue to have universal healthcare. The political parties were trying to reform it but fucked that effort up w/ politics (too much interference from lobbyists rather than going with the plan their health care system had put together).

The whole thing is a dumb political mess, but it's neither a collapse of the Finnish government nor an example of the failure of universal healthcare. If anything it's a castigation of lobbying groups, their influence on politics, and the politicians who let them influence them.

P.S. Fascist.
 

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The government didn't collapse. That's a word you just stuck in there for drama even though it's not present in the article.

Finnish government has an election coming up in a month and they were going to be out campaigning anyways. The current party in power promised to resign if they failed to deliver health care reform this term. They failed, and so they resigned. The new elections will still take place in a month.

Finland has universal healthcare now and will continue to have universal healthcare. The political parties were trying to reform it but fucked that effort up w/ politics (too much interference from lobbyists rather than going with the plan their health care system had put together).

The whole thing is a dumb political mess, but it's neither a collapse of the Finnish government nor an example of the failure of universal healthcare. If anything it's a castigation of lobbying groups, their influence on politics, and the politicians who let them influence them.

P.S. Fascist.

Single payer is not going to happen in America. The public employee unions will kill it. They will give lip service to it, but when it comes to a head, they will kill it.
 

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The government didn't collapse. That's a word you just stuck in there for drama even though it's not present in the article.

Finnish government has an election coming up in a month and they were going to be out campaigning anyways. The current party in power promised to resign if they failed to deliver health care reform this term. They failed, and so they resigned. The new elections will still take place in a month.

Finland has universal healthcare now and will continue to have universal healthcare. The political parties were trying to reform it but fucked that effort up w/ politics (too much interference from lobbyists rather than going with the plan their health care system had put together).

The whole thing is a dumb political mess, but it's neither a collapse of the Finnish government nor an example of the failure of universal healthcare. If anything it's a castigation of lobbying groups, their influence on politics, and the politicians who let them influence them.

P.S. Fascist.
Oh, BTW

Finland: Government Collapses Over Universal Health Care Costs, #Bernie2020 Hardest Hit

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/finlands-government-collapses-weeks-before-general-election-1155203707

Finland’s government collapses over failed health care reform
 
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Single payer is not going to happen in America. The public employee unions will kill it. They will give lip service to it, but when it comes to a head, they will kill it.

I said nothing about single payer.


Hurray, you found some articles with stupid headlines. The government in no way "collapsed", a bunch of politicians resigned (and a lot of those will be seeking re-election). Government is still there, they just aren't going to be having legislative sessions to pass bills, which they wouldn't have been doing anyways because they're going into campaigning for the next election. It's just symbolic.

And they didn't resign over "universal health care costs". They resigned over their failure to pass reforms to their existing universal health care system (which will continue chugging along same as always because they failed to reform it).
 

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David Cameron in the wake of BREXIT so if you were to apply the same standards that the loon in velvet wants to hear then "the British government collapsed" even though a "government" in Britain most definitely exists and has all the entire time.

I really do not know why "public employee unions" would "kill single payer" IMO both public and private unions would be for it because once "healthcare" is no longer an issue then they could get back to advocating for all those other things that have been constantly "put on the back burner" because the number one issue in every contract negotiation for teh last 30 years has been healthcare can again be items negotiated for wages, working conditions,, pensions, all the REST of the things that unions also once focused on.

The vast majority of employers, public and private would be glad to have "single payer"

One less thing they have to "deal with"
 
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Great article in WSJ about how Socialists should look carefully at the VA before they try to sell the rest of us on a single payor.

Ahhh that “socialists” label again. Let me see who said that before??? Oh yeah the father of modern conservatism. Lies then. Lies now. Don’t let facts get in the way.



And here we are 50 yrs later and everyone loves Medicare. Just try and take that “socialism” away and you won’t be in Washington for long. Yeah we love our “socialism”.
 
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Ahhh that socialists label again. Let me see who said that before??? Oh yeah the father of modern conservatism. Lies then. Lies now. Don’t let facts get in the way.



And here we are 50 yrs later and everyone loves Medicare. Just try and take that “socialism” away and you won’t be in Washington for long. Yeah we love our “socialism”.

Did you bother to read the WSJ editorial before you questioned its veracity?

Not everyone loves Medicare. But that's a different story.
 
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Ahhh that “socialists” label again. Let me see who said that before??? Oh yeah the father of modern conservatism. Lies then. Lies now. Don’t let facts get in the way.



And here we are 50 yrs later and everyone loves Medicare. Just try and take that “socialism” away and you won’t be in Washington for long. Yeah we love our “socialism”.


And fast forward to 09 and the utter irony of all those idiots at all those "TEA Party rallies" holding those signs saying "keep your GOVERNMENT hands of "MY Medicare"

Many if not most actually think that it is "private insurance" a belief re-enforced" by the existence of "Medicare Advantage" and various "Medigap" type policies

Right up there with all the TRumpian's in KY who will tell anyone and everyone how they just detest "Obamacare" and spout "repeal and replace" all day every day but will swear up and down that they do not use it and never will and that they use "KYnect" and maybe they can not really explain just what that is but they are as sure as sure can get that it is NOT that dreaded "Obamacare" The same people that all up insist to pollsters that the ACA and Obamacare are NOT the same thing
 

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I'm not sure that socialism is necessary for single payer health. Nor am I sure that single payer health relies on socialism. The U.S. has universal public education, and all states mandate that everyone around the ages of 5-7 begin some form of schooling (which includes homeschooling).* No one is accusing the U.S. of being socialist because of it.



*different states, different ages
 

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I'm not sure that socialism is necessary for single payer health. Nor am I sure that single payer health relies on socialism. The U.S. has universal public education, and all states mandate that everyone around the ages of 5-7 begin some form of schooling (which includes homeschooling).* No one is accusing the U.S. of being socialist because of it.



*different states, different ages

The difference being that education is primarily financed at the state level and via various mechanisms (property and other taxes for example). The DoE contributes, but not the majority. The education "benefit" is determined at the local (school district) level, so much less central control. And, depending on how a single payor system is set up, the equivalent of charter and private schools would be illegal.
 
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