Democrats and racism....

[maxcok]

:aargh4::aargh4: :aargh4: :aargh4: :aargh4:


Children . . . Children!!! Surely you can all do better.








I guess I was wrong . . . :frown1:

 

[maxcok]

Thank you for responding HH. For what it's worth, you have elevated yourself somewhat, in my eyes at least, for finally showing up and standing up. Whether you are motivated by embarassment or something higher I will not speculate. For now I'm just glad you're willing to address this.

If you can say FUCK YOU to your family that easily, I wish you restful sleep.

I don't think anyone has suggested you do that. I certainly don't recommend anything like that.
My family is not perfect. I have taken stands and opposed members more than once. It wasn't easy, but we all survived.

I LOVE my family deeply and apparently you missed the memo when you love someone you accept them even with their faults.

My memo says you accept them, yes, but if it is a particularly grievous fault that is harmful to them or to others, you help them to grow out of it.

What you don't do is try and change someone cause change can only come from within . . .

This is true. But you can help them see within and want to change. That is, if you love them.

. . . especially in regards to the older generation who are set in their ways.

Yes, it is harder to teach old dogs new tricks. But you don't know if you don't try. And I have seen some amazing transformations myself.

I was amazed that my own mother voted for OBAMA, mainly cause of that incompetent nitwit PALIN but still she did !

The best thing that happened for the Democratic ticket. (Not to take anything away from our Prez.) The second best thing - McCain.

As for my cousins I offer what I can in analysis and how immaterial the color of someones skin is but you have to remember we here in the south are products of racial programming by our parents.

And you should remember that I too am from the South. In fact, I am just up the road from you right now. What I don't understand is why your family is so out of step with what I see throughout the region. Yes, pockets of racism still exist here as everywhere, but most southerners have long since left such neanderthal attitudes behind. Many feel such a pang of regret that they have gone the extra measure toward enlightenment and inclusion. Why not your family?

I was as well but the difference with me is that what I was taught never made any sense to me and more profoundly it felt wrong and always bothered me as a child .

It bothered me too as a child, though I was fortunately not taught any such thing by my parents.
What have you done about it as a man?

I could tell you awful stories of some of the reprehensible things I have heard and to keep peace in the family I am forced to remain quiet and bite my lip.

I know these stories. Who or what is forcing you to remain silent? Not that 'old money' I hope.

They know very well of my beliefs and even mildly kid me about it cause I and an aunt of mine make it known quite well of our beliefs.

This sounds like a good opening. And it sounds like you have an ally. Maybe you should go with it.

We are Daughters & Sons of the American Revolution and have a long family history in our state of which I am most proud!

That's nice. I don't know what relevance it has to the discussion, unless you are implying that your family is somehow entitled to their racist attitudes and should be given a pass. I hope not. I'd be willing to bet my balls they're 'good churchgoin Christians' too. Always wonder how people square that one.

The difference between the teabaggers and birthers I see on faux news and the ones in my family is I LOVE THEM and even though I would love to change their mind and raise their consciousness so they see we are all ONE RACE , guess what ....It AINT gonna fukin happen.

Well, with that attitude, I would call it a self-fulfilling prophecy. But with all that 'love' flowing around, I would think an issue of such fundamental morality would at least be open for discussion. Isn't it disturbing to you that, except for the fact that these people are already in your family, you would find them reprehensible? And isn't it disturbing to think that other enlightened people would and probably do find them reprehensible? These people you claim to love so much?
Not to get sidetracked, but we are not all one race, and that's okay, in fact, beautiful. (unless you meant human race, and I sometimes question if all of us really deserve inclusion there. not speaking of you HH, to be clear)

So either I rock the boat and run the risk of having nothing to do with my aunts and cousins and their beautiful kids or I accept them as they are even though I completely disagree with them . Sorry but I love my family MORE than I loathe their ignorance !!!!
HH

I don't think the choices have to be that extreme or diametrically opposed. I still sense you have other reasons you have not shared that account for your reticence on this. Regardless, are you going to stand silent while these attitudes are passed on to another generation of 'beautiful kids'?

I wonder if there are other members of your family who might be standing silent as well, who pretend to share these racist attitudes just to fit in and get along. Even if you are the minority, will you stand by silently and suffer the tyranny of the majority? (hmm . . . think about that one.)

Sometimes people want to speak up, sometimes they even want to change, they're just waiting for someone else to take the lead. Will you be a man? Will you be brave enough to take a stand?

I hope you will think long and hard about your own attitudes and those of your family and what you might do about it. Thanks again for coming here.

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

I would've thought the phrase Negro Dialect would be offensive, but then again I am a white person.

There is nothing wrong with the typology of dialectology... if it is prudent. A sociolinguist would find it prudent; it is sometimes necessary to categorize true dialects. It worries me when it's mentioned for no apparent reason; I don't see how Obama's dialect relates to his political platform.

Some linguists argue that African American Vernacular English (AAVE) is creole, which is without a doubt a stable, autonomous language (rather than a dialect)--although I think that this is a stretch. Urban Ghetto is, in my opinion, not a true dialect, but it is an abstandsprache (private sub-language) of English which symbolizes a subculture. Sociologist call this an argot. I use the term "subculture" cautiously because Urban Ghetto was really created by black media icons--which is why it is linguistically homogeneous throughout North America.

To me, the most apparent difference between the General American dialect--which is also commonly used in Canada--is the reduction of dipthongs into monothongs, such as saying "brrl" or "ball" rather than "boil."

A glaring grammatical difference between BBC, or Queen's English, is definitely subject/verb agreement: the title of the book, He Talk Like a White Boy, by Joseph C. Phillips, typifies this nicely. Even more obvious is the "I be," "you be," etc. conjugation.

Although there is a distinct black dialect--or rather a dialect used by some blacks--the use of the term "negro" is simply dated. I don't fault anyone for being behind the times in their lexicon, particularly if they are seasoned oligarchs.

 

[maxcok]

. . . I don't see how Obama's dialect relates to his political platform. . . .

Thank you professor, that was all very interesting. Perhaps if you were to read the thread you would discover that your ruminations have no actual relevance to the topic being discussed. Though we would all still be mightily impressed with your detailed academic analysis and big words.

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

Thank you professor, that was all very interesting. Perhaps if you were to read the thread you would discover that your ruminations have no actual relevance to the topic being discussed. Though we would all still be mightily impressed with your detailed academic analysis and big words.

I responded to a post, dumbass. That's what we do here. Not only that, but I referred to two Democrats and to racism. The title of this thread is, "Democrats and racism...", so I fail to see any lack of relevance.

If you don't comprehend something, why don't you just slither away instead of diffidently denigrating its intrinsic value?

I'm looking for your remarkable posts as I write this. So far, no such luck.

"Ignorance is like a delicate exotic fruit; touch it and the bloom is gone." -- some hypocrite

 

[maxcok]

I quoted a post, dumbass.

If you don't comprehend something, why don't you just slither away instead of diffidently denigrating it?

I'm looking for your remarkable posts as I write this. So far, no such luck.

Well, as your post does not indicate that the body of text is a quote from anyone else, I take some exception to being called a dumbass, and I never slither.

Are you suggesting that the text is imported from elsewhere? It does appear as if you're speaking for yourself, and that is what I commented on. If those are not your words, please enlighten me, and I will direct my comments to the appropriate author.

I will confess to sometimes being a bit dismissive, which I think might be more to your meaning than 'diffident', as you put it. I am rarely diffident, though it might better me to be so more often.

Let's not tussle my friend, I think you and I are on the same side.

Peace

 

[D_Tintagel_Demondong]

Well, as your initial post did not show that it was a quote from Pendulum, I take some exception to being called a dumbass, and I never slither.

Then I'm sure you'll find this even more offensive: look the bottom of the post and you'll see that it has not been edited. The initial post is what you see.

I see that you have since edited your post so that it now properly indicates that the quote is indeed attributed to Pendulum. I suppose I might have remembered that one, but I admit that I have not memorized every post in this now eleven page thread, especially one so far afield. I hope you can forgive me for assuming those were your big words and understand how I might reasonably be mistaken. So now that we have the proper context, I will confess to being a bit dismissive, which I think might be more to your meaning than 'diffident', as you put it. I am rarely diffident, though it might better me to be so more often.

Let's not tussle my friend, I think you and I are on the same side.

Peace

Aight. Peace.

 

[Ericsson1228d]

Thank you professor, that was all very interesting. Perhaps if you were to read the thread you would discover that your ruminations have no actual relevance to the topic being discussed. Though we would all still be mightily impressed with your detailed academic analysis and big words.

It was nice to read, but didn't Hillary get called out for bringing in a negro/southern dialect in a campaign speech in Alabama a few years back?

It seems any politician can "adapt" to "connect with the people," no matter how obviously facetious the attempt may be.

 

[maxcok]

It was nice to read, but didn't Hillary get called out for bringing in a negro/southern dialect in a campaign speech in Alabama a few years back?

It seems any politician can "adapt" to "connect with the people," no matter how obviously facetious the attempt may be.

Well yes, it does seem to be the nature of many if not most politicians to adapt not only their speech, but dress, hairstyle, policies and positions, etc. to appeal to the electorate. It's all about image and marketing, baby. You can hardly blame them when the public is so gullible.

My favorite example is when Fred Thompson, then senator from my home state, was running for Prez. He appeared in TV ads wearing a red flannel shirt, driving a beat-up pickup with a tin of 'chaw' on the front seat. This despite the fact that he was a Hollyweird actor and a big time D.C. attorney and lobbyist, who normally wore $2K Italian designer suits and rode around in a big black limo smoking fat stogies. Course the local yahoos ate up his phony downhome image with a spoon, despite the fact the big crud hadn't lived here for decades. What can I say? On the whole we get the representation we deserve, it's the tyranny of the brain-dead majority.

But we stray from the topic . . .