Democrats and racism....

[SilverTrain]

Please quantify what you mean by Halliburton? and why are not as passionate about ACORN?

Hall-i-bur-ton.

Acorn! That old chestnut is a Republican fave, innit? Gee, it seemed to get a lot of reportage, as in way out of all proportion to any harm caused. As opposed to KBR, which fucked the world and got paid to do it, and all the media seemed to report was that "Cheney appears to not be involved". Yeah.....riiiiight.

Fucking A, what kind of maroon........

 

[deleted15807]

Acorn! That old chestnut is a Republican fave, innit?

The problem with Acorn is they are recruiting the WRONG type of people. Plain and simple.

 

[faceking]

Lordy... it's getting tiresome, if not laughable about Harry being "an ex-boxer who can tough it out". He was an amatuer, and no boxing record has ever been made public. Enough of the funking Al Bundy 4-TDs at Polk High rhetoric.... he's no different, actually worse than Rush Limbaugh (via the McNabb comments) when he calls a "spade kinda a spade" with U.S. was ready to elect a black president, especially someone like Obama being “light skinned” and speaks “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.”

Yessims, no pwobem Unca Harry.

Last I checked, a lot of slave owners also 'apologized' AFTER THE FACT as well.

Hypocrites. Good night now. Bye Harry.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

You once again are wrong. The majority of people with common sense agree that his remarks were poorly chosen. Now let me break it down so that your simple mind can understand. The words were poorly chosen and wrong because they are racist and offensive...and so called Democrats and/or Liberals don't want to burn Reid at the stake for it because those so called Dems and Liberals have a double standard.

First off, birther, f*** you for even thinking that I need a bigot like you to explain to me what is offensive and racist. Everything about you... your stances regarding the current administration, every character degrading story or blog you've posted regarding Obama screams institutionalized racism at its very core. Which is very convenient for a partisan hack like you since you can play innocent every time you do it by asserting that you didn't type any derogatory words.

Secondly, YOU are the one with the double standard. Again, where was your outrage when any conservative politician racially attacked Obama? Let me give you a hint... you didn't say shit. But now you're so "outraged"? Yeah, right... stop the bullshit.

Thirdly, I'm not offended by either of the remarks. I could assess what they both meant when Reid and Clinton said these things, understanding that their intent was not malicious or demeaning. If you're not willing to try and figure out where a person's statements are coming from or not willing to put a person's words in their proper context, then you're not remotely qualified to judge them. I don't give a damn if you think you're entitled to your opinion if you're not honest about it.

Slang for what? Racist and Offensive remarks.

No... slang. Period.
What does dialect mean, numbskull? Here, let me help you:
Linguistics. a variety of a language that is distinguished from other varieties of the same language by features of phonology, grammar, and vocabulary, and by its use by a group of speakers who are set off from others geographically or socially.

At this point anyone with a brain, something that you lack, can see where the term "Negro Dialect" can go to. He's referring to Urban Slang. Talking "street". Talking "hood". Grant it, Reid could have used better language to express this but his intent wasn't to be harmful.

Unlike the Tennessee Mayor who said on his Facebook page, "Ok, so, this is total crap, we sit the kids down to watch 'The Charlie Brown Christmas Special' and our muslim president is there, what a load.....try to convince me that wasn't done on purpose. Ask the man if he believes that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and he will give you a 10 minute disertation (sic) about it....w...hen the answer should simply be 'yes'....".

Or when a Georgia Congressman states, "Just from what little I've seen of her and Mister Obama, Senator Obama, they're a member of an elitist class individual that thinks that they're uppity."

Or when Geoff Davis decided to say, "That boy's finger does not need to be on the button", instead of giving a more carefully worded critique on Obama's foreign policy record.

Or when South Carolina congressman Rusty DePass referred to Michelle Obama as an "escaped gorilla".

Or when Sarah Palin referred to Obama as a person who "ran around with terrorists". Need we go on?

Unless you're willing to bring the same level of "outrage" to these and many other documented sources of racism from the opposite side of the fence, then any claims of foul play you emit right now is disingenuous, concocted bullshit. Although I'd advise you to back the hell down because you seriously don't want to open this can of worms with me.

 

[Dave NoCal]

Don't pleasure him!
Dave

 

[B_imjustaguy]

Hey, lookie! Blanket statements, tired partisan rhetoric, repeating it over and over and hoping that some people may start to believe it.

Get a new act. The Junior High School debate team called and they want their shtick back.

Yeah, let's get back to "Hope and Change", "Yes we can", and let's not forget the popular children's song "Mmmmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm, Barack Hussein Obama".

-Just A. Guy

 

[SilverTrain]

Yeah, let's get back to "Hope and Change", "Yes we can", and let's not forget the popular children's song "Mmmmm, Mmmm, Mmmmm, Barack Hussein Obama".

-Just A. Guy

WTF?

Oh, right. It's an intentionally asinine and non-sequiturish post.

Cripes.

 

[ericbythebay]

Slow news day or what?

Some comments were made over a year ago and it's not news until now?

Why are people just now making a big deal out of it? If it was so important, why not bring it up when it happened.

 

[maxcok]

Look, facts is facts. The PC police will be all over me for this, but it is probably true that if Obama were "dark skinned" and spoke with a "negro dialect" he would have been less likely to have been elected. Should Reid have said it? No. Should he apologize? Yes. But frankly, it's only mildly more offensive, and arguably true, than it was when Biden called Obama "articulate".

Well he also called him 'clean', but
PC be damned, I salute the Nick for speaking the truth! 'Cause the truth, as they say, shall set y'all free!
Down with all that, my brother!
(my 100th post! and I dedicate it to you, my brother)

 

[Industrialsize]

OMG! MY HEAD JUST EXPLODED!... I'm agreeing with Trinity on this issue!

 

[HazelGod]

Thread merge on aisle 2.

 

[Qua]

Bullshit. But I must say, it's great to watch all of you closed-minded conservatives cry like victims over this. What's the matter? Shouting "Where's The Birth Certificate" doesn't work to conjure up phony outrage anymore?

No NOT bullshit. Remember a guy named Trent Lott? All he did was say he liked a guy on his birthday. And he got ousted from his majority leadership because it was racist since the guy ran on a pro-segregationist platform 60 years ago.

 

[B_starinvestor]

No NOT bullshit. Remember a guy named Trent Lott? All he did was say he liked a guy on his birthday. And he got ousted from his majority leadership because it was racist since the guy ran on a pro-segregationist platform 60 years ago.

And who was screaming the loudest for Lott's head?

Dianne Feinstein and John Kerry.

Lott's remarks were less offensive than Reid's. Yet Feinstein says Reid's comments were simply 'a mistake.' Yet Lott's 'makes him unfit to be in a Senate leadership position.'

Attagirl, Diane.:wink:

So typical.

 

[B_starinvestor]

Hilarious, too, that Dianne Feinstein was leading the charge in going after Trent Lott's head for remarks that don't come close to measuring up to the degrading, humiliating remarks of Reid; yet she says Reid just 'made a mistake.'

Yet Lott, 'should not have a leadership position in the Senate'

Laughable.

 

[B_Nick8]

OMG! MY HEAD JUST EXPLODED!... I'm agreeing with Trinity on this issue!

:yikes:

You're going to Hell. I will pray for your soul.

 

[Industrialsize]

No NOT bullshit. Remember a guy named Trent Lott? All he did was say he liked a guy on his birthday. And he got ousted from his majority leadership because it was racist since the guy ran on a pro-segregationist platform 60 years ago.

Actually he said a bit more than he liked the Strom Thurmond(a former segregationist dixiecrat)
I quote:
"I want to say this about my state. When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years either."

 

[Qua]

Actually he said a bit more than he liked the Strom Thurmond(a former segregationist dixiecrat)
I quote:
"I want to say this about my state. When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years either."

Don't forget that the dixiecrat platform involved a lot more that segregation. While that is what they used to usurp votes (and yes, the majority of it is devoted to enumerating their reasons for segregation for that reason), their platform called for, and I quote:

"7. We stand for the check and balances provided by the three departments of our government. We oppose the usurpation of legislative functions by the executive and judicial departments. We unreservedly condemn the effort to establish in the United States a police nation that would destroy the last vestige of liberty enjoyed by a citizen.

8. We demand that there be returned to the people to whom of right they belong, those powers needed for the preservation of human rights and the discharge of our responsibility as democrats for human welfare. We oppose a denial of those by political parties, a barter or sale of those rights by a political convention, as well as any invasion or violation of those rights by the Federal Government. We call upon all Democrats and upon all other loyal Americans who are opposed to totalitarianism at home and abroad to unite with us in ignominiously defeating Harry S. Truman, Thomas E. Dewey and every other candidate for public office who would establish a Police Nation in the United States of America.

9. We, therefore, urge that this Convention endorse the candidacies of J. Strom Thurmond and Fielding H. Wright for the President and Vice-president, respectively, of the United States of America."

I somehow think perhaps that's what Lott was referring to--if he was referring to anything at all, because:::

Somehow I think Lott was trying to give a nice gesture to a man on his freaking hundredth birthday. Not say that we'd be better off segregated.

I don't think Lott was trying to say anything other than a "hey, man it would've been sweet if you could've run the country, hey maybe you'd have done a good job and America would be a better place."

This is all irrelevent however, because the punishments for their offensive statements are still not relatively just.

If Lott deserved to be kicked out of his majority leadership, Reid deserves more than a pooh-poohing of the whole thing by the president. He's not even getting a slap on the wrist. Nothing. I personally didn't think Lott deserved to lose his position, as you can probably gather. So I don't think Reid does either. But you can't sit back and pretend there isn't a double standard.

 

[Industrialsize]

Don't forget that the dixiecrat platform involved a lot more that segregation. While that is what they used to usurp votes (and yes, the majority of it is devoted to enumerating their reasons for segregation for that reason), their platform called for, and I quote:

"7. We stand for the check and balances provided by the three departments of our government. We oppose the usurpation of legislative functions by the executive and judicial departments. We unreservedly condemn the effort to establish in the United States a police nation that would destroy the last vestige of liberty enjoyed by a citizen.

8. We demand that there be returned to the people to whom of right they belong, those powers needed for the preservation of human rights and the discharge of our responsibility as democrats for human welfare. We oppose a denial of those by political parties, a barter or sale of those rights by a political convention, as well as any invasion or violation of those rights by the Federal Government. We call upon all Democrats and upon all other loyal Americans who are opposed to totalitarianism at home and abroad to unite with us in ignominiously defeating Harry S. Truman, Thomas E. Dewey and every other candidate for public office who would establish a Police Nation in the United States of America.

9. We, therefore, urge that this Convention endorse the candidacies of J. Strom Thurmond and Fielding H. Wright for the President and Vice-president, respectively, of the United States of America."

I somehow think perhaps that's what Lott was referring to--if he was referring to anything at all, because:::

Somehow I think Lott was trying to give a nice gesture to a man on his freaking hundredth birthday. Not say that we'd be better off segregated.

I don't think Lott was trying to say anything other than a "hey, man it would've been sweet if you could've run the country, hey maybe you'd have done a good job and America would be a better place."

This is all irrelevent however, because the punishments for their offensive statements are still not relatively just.

If Lott deserved to be kicked out of his majority leadership, Reid deserves more than a pooh-poohing of the whole thing by the president. He's not even getting a slap on the wrist. Nothing. I personally didn't think Lott deserved to lose his position, as you can probably gather. So I don't think Reid does either. But you can't sit back and pretend there isn't a double standard.

I guess you didn't read my earlier post. No double standard from me.

I think what Harry Reid and Bill Clinton said was deplorable, shameful, and disappointing.

 

[Qua]

:redface:

 

[maxcok]

Look, facts is facts. The PC police will be all over me for this, but it is probably true that if Obama were "dark skinned" and spoke with a "negro dialect" he would have been less likely to have been elected. Should Reid have said it? No. Should he apologize? Yes. But frankly, it's only mildly more offensive, and arguably true, than it was when Biden called Obama "articulate".

Ridiculous! The issue isn't whether a majority of caucasions still suffer under racist beliefs and would only choose a "safe" light skinned Black candidate for president, the issue is whether Reid made a racially offensive statement. And the answer is yes.

Actually, both issues are in play here. And the answer to both questions is yes.

What is "Negro Dialect?" -

Reid should should be gone for saying that alone. The post above is why. That one sentence "primed the pump" of racism and actually has a bunch of so called liberals defending it. Disgusting.

I don't think they're defending it, so much as trying to quell the usual hysteria.

If any republican were Senate Majority Leader and they made those racist and offensive remarks they would be ousted...after roasting them alive in the media.

Looks like Harry's getting a pretty good coal-raking to me.

You once again are wrong. The majority of people with common sense agree that his remarks were poorly chosen. Now let me break it down so that your simple mind can understand. The words were poorly chosen and wrong because they are racist and offensive...and so called Democrats and/or Liberals don't want to burn Reid at the stake for it because those so called Dems and Liberals have a double standard.

You are correct sir or madame, it is racist and offensive. I think virtually every sensible person, including brother Nick and hopefully everyone else reading this thread would agree with you on that. Thank you for breaking it down for our simple minds to understand.


As to why the dems and libs don't want to burn him, may I gently remind you that they are all posturing politicians, on both sides of the howling divide.

I also sort of agree with you on one other point - Reed should at least be demoted, if not ousted in my opinion, but long before this, and not for the reasons you suggest. Rather, because he is an ineffectual wimp who needs to grow a pair, or borrow Pelosi's. Maybe this is a good opportunity?

Once again, all sense of reason goes out the window when discussing issues of race in this culture. Can we all take a deep breath, and please examine this in context. May I once again remind the class that Reid's and Biden's remarks were not reflective of their personal views, but rather how they judged the prospects of Obama's electability.

How people get to that level of power and still make such poorly worded, ill-considered remarks boggles my mind. Was what they said stupid and offensive? Of course it was. But it is unfortunately also true. Why I salute people like the Nick for having the set to say it out loud.

The phrase 'tempest in a teapot' springs to mind here. I hope we can all get over this in time to have a Happy MLK Day!

OMG! MY HEAD JUST EXPLODED!... I'm agreeing with Trinity on this issue!

Take a vicodan, you'll feel better.