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Democrats attempting to abolish 401(k)'s

Discussion in 'Politics' started by B_starinvestor, Oct 23, 2008.

  1. B_starinvestor

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    Attaway Liberal Democrats!!

    In the face of a bear market and recessionary economy, let's elimate the primary vehicle for retirement savings.

    Under their proposal, all will be forced to contribute 5% of pay into government bonds paying 3%. Thats a suitable investment for, say, an 80 year old. The 401(k) provision which allows choice in deferrals will be eliminated. Employer match, also, would be ancient history.

    What a wonderful way to:

    1. Ensure the loss of tens of thousands of jobs in the 401(k) industry
    2. Ensure that, as a society, we are even less prepared for retirement
    3. Redirect funds that are flowing into the equity markets instead into T-Bonds
    4. Harm low-income workers by taking away employer matching funds
    5. Eliminate a key benefit from nearly every employer in the U.S.

    Its frightening what will occur when Obama, Pelosi, and Reid get together in a room and formulate their new world order.



    House Democrats contemplate abolishing 401(k) tax breaks - InvestmentNews
     
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    Oh, star, you know I love you in spite of myself, but you are simply insane.
     
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    the democrats have revealed themselves as the true slave owners. they seek to enslave their constituants in government giveaways to ensure a solid election base. the ignorance and "want it now" mentality make me fucking want to puke.
     
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    If the dems do abolish 401ks and employer matching 401ks and replace with them with the proposal of 3% on govt bonds. Many many many millions will never be able to retire and will exist in poverty over time. This will be a disaster for America. On top of the other financial and social disasters that the dems will impose in their socialst world.

    But many years down the road, the possiblity will be great of another revolution, not too unlike the one the French held, and all those socialist liberals (because they will not suffer under these changes...they will be the ones who rule the rest of us) and those they employed in their government, may find themselves hunted down and the blood of the tree of liberty will again be refreshed. Thomas Jefferson and many of the Founding Fathers foretold this. And after it is all over, socialism/liberalism will be dead forever has a great failure. Socialism the mortal enemy of the individuals spirit to live their life on their own terms and in their own way without government trying to run and ruin their life...otherwise known as freedom. Socialism is the mortal enemy of Freedom. Liberals are proving themselves to be socialists in the closet.
     
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    Please stop twisting facts: there's a difference between 'eyeing proposals' and 'attempting', and there's a difference between eliminating 'most of the ... tax breaks' and 'abolish'ing the 401(k)'s themselves. For companies with an employer-match plan, the 401(k) would still be an attractive option even if all of the tax breaks would be eliminated.

    And according to the article two Democrats are looking at this proposal. If I posted over every cockamamie idea that twoRepublicans backed, I'd have enough smear to cover the country hip-deep.

    Other folks have questioned your sanity in this thread: perhaps you should let them, since it gives you an excuse.
     
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    Its another example of hijacking private industry and force-feeding citizens the government's loathsome medicine. When Dems add seats in the House and Senate, and the White House, this is the type of lunacy we will be subjected to, and it is enough to make me 'insane' if I'm not already there.

    What's next... Ried and Pelosi introduce a pooping toll fee....and Boxer introduces legislation that homeowners must open their homes up to illegal immigrants? :rolleyes:
     
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    I realize I am young so this doesn't affect me whatsoever, yet, but I would prefer to keep it optional, if you want to invest in a 401K, do it, if you don't and want to be solely responsible for your own retirement, so be it. Same goes for medicare and SS. I'd rather start my own personal fund than being forced into paying into a system that isn't guarenteeing I will see the money i am being forced to pay. I will admit, these programs are a complete ripoff for people of my age, I will never see my medicare and SS money I've had to pay, bullshit, that's all it is, complete bullshit; stop making me pay for something I don't want. I really wish the reps would have nominated Ron Paul.
     
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    Right after Obama beats up Colin Powell. You argue against fantasies because you can't refute the actual facts.

    Congratulations on your 666th post.
     
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    Hi! I don't think we've met. Do you know my good friends star and faceking? FYI, the vomit bags are in the pocket of the seat in front of you. :rolleyes:
     
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    Some Dems might suggest abolishing 401(k)s?

    Pfffft. 401(k)s have already done a pretty decent job of self-destructing without any help from the government.
     
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    The only satisfaction you can get from paying into social security is hopefully you have a relative that is collecting it now. Otherwise, you can wave it bye-bye.
     
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    The truth is Republicans have ALREADY abolished 401(k)s. And they did it in just 1 month. No one dares check their 401(k) balance today without a stiff drink in one hand and a Kleenex in the other. Many many MILLIONS are not going to be able to retire thanks to Alan G and The Masters of The Universe on Wall Street.
     
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    let's get real people.

    my 401k has lost $70,000 in the past month; that's 63% of its value on 8/30/08

    401k plans have been good but not in these deregulated times created by the republicans.

    thank God I'm not ready to retire because I'd be in real trouble.

    and these republicans are the same idiots who want to privatize social security? HAH! let's see them try to float that boat again after this miserable financial meltdown.
     
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    FUUUUNY!! Once you've seen their posts it is kinda like vomit. Once you've seen it, once you've smelled you never need to look at it or smell it again. :eek:
     
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    Look at the bright side. It's a great buying opportunity. If you are several years away from retirement, this allows you to accumulate more shares at lower prices through 401(k) deferrals.

    Retirees and pre-retirees are suffering greatly. But if you are in the accumulation phase, this will turn out to be a benefit to you over the long-term.

    If Costco reduced all of its prices by 40% we'd be running down there and buying everything we could get our hands on. The same should be true of stocks.
     
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    You don't think republicans have lost any money in 401k's?

    Deregulation didn't cause this meltdown. It was caused by the convergence of a number of economic factors that imploded. The liberal media just does a great job of gift wrapping "Its the republicans fault" propoganda for every problem in society.
     
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    Starinvestor:

    versus Alan Freakin' Greenspan:

    Starinvestor must have swallowed a centipede to explain the number of feet he has in his mouth by now.
     
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    If your 401k lost 63% of it's value in one month, you were not properly invested. You needed to have a balanced portifolio. I am curious as to what investments you owned.
    I am glad that some blame is beginning to fall on Alan Greenspan but remember he was appointed by Clinton too. His interest policies fueled the enormous bubble of the 1990s. As I have long posted, his irresponsible printing of funny money allowed irresponsible citizens to borrow for a greedy lifestyle. Now, it's all come home to roost. Don't blame one party or the other. Blame your own greedy selves. I owe nobody a dime but am tempted to go buy a new vehicle to keep the government from taking my hard earned savings, and using it to buy more votes from lazy butt people.
     
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    Would you care to explain to me how this would be attractive option to business owners if all the tax breaks are eliminated?
     
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    I think mindseye means that a matching thrift savings plan is still an attractive option for employees even if tax breaks were eliminated.
     
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    Greenspan is backpedaling. Hard. His legacy is in an unmitigated freefall.

    He fucked up bigtime by raising rates too quickly in the late 90's. When that poor monetary policy initiative brought the economy to a screeching halt in the summer of 2000, he redoubled his fuckup by reducing rates too quickly from 2000 - 2003 and manufacturing the cheap credit envirnoment that was the catalyst of this mess.

    Now he's muttering on about deregulation and building shareholder value blah blah blah. He is generously handing blame over to a glitch in the shareholder value system. Bullshit, Alan. With the benefit of hindsight, we can see that his monetary policy really hurt.:eek:
     
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    Is it "elitist" to point out that Star can't spell or punctuate correctly?

    That, while pitiable, wouldn't be damning in itself. Unfortunately, he is doomed by something much more fundamental that the grammar.

    His "arguments" are robbed of any impact by the fact that his perspective is willfully ignorant, catholicly dogmatic and mind-numbingly stupid. His tirades are completely at odds with fact, reason and logic. One hardly knows where to begin.

    Suffice it to say, I suspect that Starivestor's only good investment has been his Franklin Mint Elvis plate. In other words Hootie, don't waste your breath.
     
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    I would never confuse you with anything 'elite.'

    Ironic. What does 'that the grammar' mean?

    Then don't.

    Howe didja knowdis?
     
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    matching who's money?
     
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    You'd also be hurting if you had already retired, recently or several years prior.

    I never was a fan of the 401-K/403-B's, it's like getting your own little gambling account. You know what I like better ? A "Pension", a guaranteed percentage of your income after you retire. I guess they all go back to an investment for future retirement income. But long before all this, there was social security, a pension and the stock market was a 3rd investment vehicle to save for retirement. Pensions are gone, so that leaves Social Security and these 401-K/403-B's. Maybe returning to a combination of the three is a better solution ?
     
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    Not exactly true, most of that junk over at the Costco is cheap Chinese shit anyway. You don't think that stuff was way overpriced in the first place ? And as for being cheap Chinese shit, you can pick that up anytime. I don't even buy that stuff from Wal-Mart, why do you think the shelves are full all of the time. They can keep that garbage for all I care and what they don't sell, let it rott on the shelf. Or they can take it over to Big Lots and sell it for even less and that's if it's not recycled after it doesn't sell there either ?
     
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    Okay, substitute Costco's with Macy's or Saks. The point is simply that 40% off is a nice bargain.
     
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    Where's some REAL math to back this up?
    No need for anyone to post such nonsense without any real statistical examples to support it. It's just more fear mongering from the right.
     
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