Democrats face tough fight on gun control after Tucson shootings

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    Washington (CNN) -- Bring back the ban on assault weapons, or tighten enforcement of existing gun control laws and regulations?
    Those were two options for strengthening gun control offered Sunday by Democrats in the wake of the Tucson, Arizona, shootings last week that killed six people and wounded 13, including Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.
    The limited range of ideas showed the power of the pro-gun lobby in Washington, with Democratic Sen. Charles Schumer of New York acknowledging that passing any gun control legislation was "hard."
    "Let's be honest here -- there haven't been the votes in the Congress for gun control," Schumer told the NBC program "Meet the Press."


    last time they had a ban on assault weapons factory's where working 24/7 to make as may guns as they can to bet time deadline and people where buying as many guns as they can before they cant buy them any more.

    ban on assault weapons maybe good for jobs
     
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    Interesting and TYPICAL American Monday morning armchair quarterbacking. Just a year ago, the issue of guns as a major issue has dropped down to 1%. Democrat-based donations to pro-gun initiatives is now up to 20%. Shame what happened, but most homicides by gun are by folks that shouldn't have them anyways. One bad apple every so many years, and it's a lot of huffing and puffing.

    Now you are seeing stories on gunsales jumping up all over the place. Stupid to do so, and stupid these regulations. It's an all or none thing.

    Just as stupid as Obama dropping the nuclear arsenal down 20% or whatever. Isn't one nuclear bomb enough... not sure the point, other than showing weakness and/or wasting money.
     
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    I honestly don't see the problem in extending the prerequisites for a concealed carry permit from most states to ALL gun sales. Require a background check, submission of a clean bill of mental health, registration with a legal authority (probably the ATF) with your identity, address, and the guns purchased. I'd even go so far as to get behind requiring gun manufacturers to have a digital scan of a bullet fired from each gun linked to the serial number of said gun, so retrieving any bullet from a crime scene could be searched through a database to find which gun it belonged to, much like a fingerprint search. Require guns to be sold only by liscenced individuals/companies with all sales and serial numbers recorded and reported, with failure to do so being a crime.

    As much as people might think it's a little extreme, it boils down to one thing: the only people who are truly honest-to-God discriminated against by these measures are people we don't want to have guns in the first place. People who say it's a slippery slope which will eventually lead to the government confiscating all guns need to face a simple fact: guns are dangerous in the wrong hands. Saying more guns will help keep society safer is blatantly untrue if we don't keep those who have and sell guns strictly accountable and responsible. This means keeping them out of the wrong hands, and keeping track of those who have them in case they turn bad in the future. The moment it becomes a retarded idea to use a gun for a crime, because everyone knows it'll be instantly traced back to you, is the moment criminals will stop using them to commit crimes.
     
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    The real reason why it's gonna be a tough fight is because we have too many paranoid people who honestly believe that they have something the rest of the world wants to take from them. Beyond that, the NRA makes way too much money keeping people scared of one another.

    "Yo' all better watch them dadburn liberals. Them an' their socialist, homosexual, Muslim lovin' ajunda wanna bust into yer homes, take all of yer money an' give it t'we'fare mamas, an' then make yer dotters marry up wif a brown varmint. Oooga boooga boooga! Fry mah hide!! Fry mah hide!"

    Gun sales soar another 50%. :rolleyes:
     
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    As do the gun sellers and manufacturers. The NRA has gun owners convinced they're protecting their Second Amendment rights, when in reality they just take gun owners' money to lobby on behalf of the gun industry, working to loosen restrictions and thereby promote the manufacture and sale of more and more firearms.

    Just as they did in the wake of Obama's election. The rallying cry of right-wing media and the NRA has been "Obama's going to take your guns away!" Has there been any federal legislation proposed in the past two years to restrict gun sales or gun ownership? Of course not, because right-wing politicians are in the pocket of the NRA, and politicians in favor of sensible restrictions are scared to death of being targeted by the gun lobby. Meanwhile, all across the country the NRA has in reality gotten state legislatures to loosen restrictions. Arizona's passage of permitless conceal and carry legislation in April 2010, only one of three states to allow it, is just one example.

    As always, follow the money to the end.
     
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    Well... a lot of people think that gun restrictions SHOULD be loosened, rather than tightened. That's why we join the NRA and donate money. They are very effective at doing what we pay them for.

    The fact is, a lot of people WOULD like to see more gun control in this country. They haven't moved on it recently because it is politically unfeasible right now. We (gun rights activists) don't have to worry about any immediate threat to our rights, but we do have to worry about a constant, sustained moral opposition that will rear its head again and again. We feel that we must be vigilant, because a right lost is rarely regained.

    Yes, the democrats face a tough fight on gun control after the Tucson shooting... but some of them are trying to use this as an opportunity to do what they obviously think is right. We disagree.
     
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    :mad:well, little nate, we ARE moving on it as i write this as there is NO EXCUSE for any gun owner to carry around 3 huge magazines of bullets with him or her. period. in addtion, anyone who had been confronted by the Pima community college police 5 times in 2 years has NO business with a gun. Sorry, to be a gun owner you need to demonstrate responsibility and maturity. Loughner showed neither. His clear mental illness , that should have caught by the high school psychologist, should have made his ability to buy a weapon IMPOSSIBLE.
    WAKE UP NRA! WAKE UP AMERICA! the second amendment to the constitution, like all the amendments to the constitution is NOT ABSOLUTE!!!
     
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    While there is little reason that a gun owner should take the trouble to lug around 3 30-round magazines, which would be kind of a hassle, it is not reasonable to ban them. There is no "excuse" needed for a citizen to exercise his rights- if you want to take rights away from the people, the burden is on you to show that there is ample reason to do so.

    Most people, including almost all NRA members, agree that the mentally deranged should not have access to guns. However, it is a flaw in the system, and not the fault of the NRA or law-abiding gun owners that this happened. The database is only as good as the information that the state enters into it.
     
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    I know he was banned, however...
    ...while some Republicans are trying to use this as an opportunity to keep the NRA and gun dealers profitable. Come on, finish a sentence once in a while. :rolleyes:

    This notion that politicians use political issues to "play politics" is such a mind numbing argument, almost on the same level as questioning whether or not a bear shits in the woods. Regardless of where any politician or party stands, it's obvious that the way things are working now is not doing us any good. We need reform, and at this rate we're never gonna get it.
     
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    Why do we need to reform? Stripping the populace of their liberties will not stop psychotic men from occasionally committing heinous crimes- it will only weaken us as a free and self-governing people.
     
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    ...also, Vinyl, I don't think anyone in this conversation has expressed distaste at politicians using current events to play politics.
     
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    A very special thank you to the Mods for spraying this thread with "Troll-Be-Gone". :)
     
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    As a matter of general interest, it turns out MisterSofty1 and LittleNate were just the latest incarnations of our dear, departed Mr. Buildington, for whom so many of us have such fond memories. It pops up regularly here under so many new names I've lost count. Just thought you all might like to know and be on the lookout.
     
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    That's b/c we live in a country comprised mostly of MORONS... We're not only the fukin fattest asses on the planet we're also the stupidest and nothing indicated that more than the number of constitutionally ignorant imbeciles we just elected to the House Of Representatives.

    The facts are simple whether you wanna fukin argue with them OR NOT !

    In Nations where you have stronger gun laws you also have the lowest numbers of DEATHS and injuries related to guns and the countries where gun regulation is lax the number of the aforementioned incidents are off the charts . You (Americans) should be horrified by the level of stupidity we show to the planet by allowing any fukin idiot to buy a gun.

    The founding fathers of our nation would NEVER allow such a retarded interpretation of the 2nd amendment. Pssttt ... Don't tell the Repugnicans this but they were highly educated, very intelligent and LIBERAL !!! All anathematical 4letter words to the simpletons ruining the once great party of the GOP !!!


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    Copied and pasted from my post in the "Arizona shootings" thread.

     
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    funny part is the people who are always so against guns are the ones who are too scared to fire one. I make sure very single one of my female friends gets to the gun range with me a few times to learn how to properly use a firearm, and what ends up happening is they start to view guns a lot differently.

    also, they are the same people who will poke fun at a hunter for shooting a defenseless animal for food, but have no problem eating a steak or kfc from an animal that was genetically modified into a freak of nature and lead to a slaughterhouse to be inhumanly killed.

    the issue isn't on the availability of the firearms, but on the idiots who misuse them.
     
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    It's not a question of being "against guns", it's a question of recognizing there's a serious problem with easy access to firearms and lax regulations. Even sensible people who own guns and aren't afraid of firing them are in favor of sensible, reasonable regulations and restrictions. Sensible people are specifically NOT those who think it's a polarized all or nothing proposition - Second Amendment absolutists for example.
     
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    So what do you say to people like me who have used one and decided not to own one?

    That makes no sense, because then the hunter would then have to take the role of the slaughterer and prepare their kill for proper consumption. That is, unless, you eat your deers raw like a lion. I do hear that meat is better straight off the bone. :rolleyes: :biggrin1:

    Which is why we need gun reform in this country. I'm sure you thought you were making a point against it, but this just strengthens the argument for more regulation. "Idiot" being the optional word here, especially since the thread topic relates to actions in Tucson.
     
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    aaaah yes -- America and her guns. 1860's wild west legacy versus the gentlemanly "duels" of Europe "I challenge you sir." The right to bear arms certainly WAS enough of an issue in the late 1700's when the British confiscated all arms of the Patriots in order to "control" a particular town, etc. But to quote from the movie "Witness" (it's a great movie if you haven't seen it)! The Amish grandfather sits his grandson down with Harrison Ford's gun on the table: "You know what this is for?" "This is for the taking of human life!"

    My humble opinion??? If the founding fathers ever DREAMED that auto-matic weapons would be invented, yet alone "available" to the average person without seeming restriction or control ---- they would have struck out the words of the 2nd Amendment or at least have put an expiration date on them! At a time when more than 1/2 of America went out every night to shoot their dinner................toting guns made sense. But in a day and age where "collectors" of guns think it's their God given right to own automatic weapons which have NO real practical value to American's other than "the taking of human life!"..............well --- some day -- some day -- common sense might prevail. Maybe when the vitriolic language of "kill the opposition" -- literally ends up with a few dead CEO's, Senators, etc. who have the real power to change the current status quo!
     
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    Nothing will change with gun control, and the truth is that Americans are relatively OK with the status quo. Like the abortion issue, it only exists as a political issue to enrage both sides and increase campaign contributions. Guns aren't going anywhere and, as it stands, there are relatively few uses of guns that aren't already crimes. So new or tougher laws won't prevent shootings from happening.

    Americans, as a nation, decided a long time ago that they like guns. That isn't going to change.
     
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