Democrats take back House in 2012?

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Okay dumb ones... 1st.. The failure of congress has alot to do with the fact the dems have control of the senate and the white house. You idiots put them in charge in 2008 and it keeps going down hill. Those of us who are "Rs" need to and have a good chance of taking the senate and the white house. I am a fan of Libertarian and former republican governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson.

If you retards want real "CHANGE" get away from the business as usual canidates and the overspending idiot in the white house. You guys apparently havent learned from the past 3 years were the US has been getting worst with the Ds in control. Every attempt at getting stuff done by the house since the 2010 elections has been haulted by the Ds in the Senate. WAKE UP PEOPLE. The democratic party has had a chance to bring on change and didnt do a damn thing different. Osama has spent more deficut dollars than all of the previous presidents
 

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I don't hate Buchmann. I think she is a stupid cunt and as far as spending money more responsibly what do you honestly think the chances of that are.
 

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The presidential election results will play a big factor in the congressional results as well, they typically do. But another thing to consider is the fact that, historically speaking, incumbents who seek reelection usually win. I guess 2010 ran upstream from that thinking, as a lot of fairly close seats swung to the R side, but there are many members of the House on both sides who are practically shoo-ins for as long as they want to keep running. The less time someone has occupied a House seat, the more likely they can be unseated. So if I were one of the "house freshmen" I keep hearing about on the news, and I had as dismal a record of accomplishing anything to run on as they do, I would be more than a little bit worried.

So I'm curious about one thing, and not to hijack this thread (although I am actually trying to steer it back to the original question, so I will stop myself from apologizing). How often do you, or friends or family members, vote a split ticket? Like, say, vote R for prez but D on the state or local level, or vice versa. I'm sure it must happen, but most people I know stick to one color, red or blue, at least 90% of the time. But the people who can, and have, voted for both parties oftentimes decide the elections, and what these voters think is crucial to being able to read the tea leaves.
 

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... does anyone really believe it matters either way ?


i also dont bleieve anyone should be looking to an imaginary friend/being for answers and guidance. unfortunately , right now, it seems we are stuck with that level of thinking no matter who is in charge.
 

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Don't have iSpell installed?

Anyway the truth hurts I know:
Obama’s and Bush’s effects on the deficit in one graph

I don't have the link Sargon -- but you also should have posted the one about "What the fuck has Obama done"

4 full pages of all the legislation the Democrats passed from 2009 to 2011 that they are too stupid to tout!! Why do we keep letting the Republicans set the talking points?? Where is OUR Karl Rove???
 

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The presidential election results will play a big factor in the congressional results as well, they typically do. But another thing to consider is the fact that, historically speaking, incumbents who seek reelection usually win. I guess 2010 ran upstream from that thinking, as a lot of fairly close seats swung to the R side, but there are many members of the House on both sides who are practically shoo-ins for as long as they want to keep running. The less time someone has occupied a House seat, the more likely they can be unseated. So if I were one of the "house freshmen" I keep hearing about on the news, and I had as dismal a record of accomplishing anything to run on as they do, I would be more than a little bit worried.

So I'm curious about one thing, and not to hijack this thread (although I am actually trying to steer it back to the original question, so I will stop myself from apologizing). How often do you, or friends or family members, vote a split ticket? Like, say, vote R for prez but D on the state or local level, or vice versa. I'm sure it must happen, but most people I know stick to one color, red or blue, at least 90% of the time. But the people who can, and have, voted for both parties oftentimes decide the elections, and what these voters think is crucial to being able to read the tea leaves.

where I live in Kansas (suburb of KC) it is impossible to vote a straight ticket -- you must vote for each person individually!
 

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It's so funny that you trot out that graph. In 8 years, Bush managed to put us 5 trillion in the hole. In not even 4 years, Obama has done the same amount.
 

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I never stated that Bachmann wants to spend resources more responsibly.

maybe not directly, but it was implied.

On another note, do you favor a large, socialist government and socialist society?


That socialist crap is nothing but a catchy talking point that points to the lunacy of the conservatives today. If you honestly think the Obama Administration wants a socialist America, then you probably also believe he wasn't born in this country, pals around with terrorists, and is the anti-Christ.
 
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It's so funny that you trot out that graph. In 8 years, Bush managed to put us 5 trillion in the hole. In not even 4 years, Obama has done the same amount.

It's clear you have 'challenges' in actual reading. You remind me of your governor.

Anyway read next time, don't just look at the pictures:
What’s also important, but not evident, on this chart is that Obama’s major expenses were temporary — the stimulus is over now — while Bush’s were, effectively, recurring. The Bush tax cuts didn’t just lower revenue for 10 years. It’s clear now that they lowered it indefinitely, which means this chart is understating their true cost. Similarly, the Medicare drug benefit is costing money on perpetuity, not just for two or three years. And Boehner, Ryan and others voted for these laws and, in some cases, helped to craft and pass them.

In summation 'it's STILL Bush's fault' and oh the Republican congress that gave him everything he wanted.
 
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Concidering that 2011 republican majority congress was polled to be the single worst congress in american history... Hard to see the dems not getting a huge boost in their numbers.
 

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It's clear you have 'challenges' in actual reading. You remind me of your governor.

Anyway read next time, don't just look at the pictures:
What’s also important, but not evident, on this chart is that Obama’s major expenses were temporary — the stimulus is over now — while Bush’s were, effectively, recurring. The Bush tax cuts didn’t just lower revenue for 10 years. It’s clear now that they lowered it indefinitely, which means this chart is understating their true cost. Similarly, the Medicare drug benefit is costing money on perpetuity, not just for two or three years. And Boehner, Ryan and others voted for these laws and, in some cases, helped to craft and pass them.

In summation 'it's STILL Bush's fault' and oh the Republican congress that gave him everything he wanted.

That's cool, I can write a lot of bullshit that liberals like and they'll lap it up too. I'm just looking at debt from the start of Bush's term to the end, and then from the start of Obama's term till now.
 
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That's cool, I can write a lot of bullshit that liberals like and they'll lap it up too. I'm just looking at debt from the start of Bush's term to the end, and then from the start of Obama's term till now.

Wow the usual from the Two Sentence Wonder what a surprise. Why of course that's the way you're looking at it. It allows you to ignore what Bush and his Republican conspirators in congress did and continue to do. And never mind of course that everything the president does budget wise has to be approved by Congress. Yeah never mind that. Facts do have a liberal bias. I'm not sure if you are a real idiot or you just pretend. However I'm 98.567% sure it's the former :wink:

And don't bother with another two sentence response.


 

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Funny, I recall Congress being dominated by Democrats for a few years.

Bush's fault...still? Man, you are really grabbing at anything now. It's been three years, Obama is just keeping up the status quo, despite campaigning on doing everything different.
 

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Funny, I recall Congress being dominated by Democrats for a few years.

Bush's fault...still? Man, you are really grabbing at anything now. It's been three years, Obama is just keeping up the status quo, despite campaigning on doing everything different.


Don't they all campaign on doing it differently? Isn't that what all the Republican candidates are saying now...they alone have the plan to change Washington?
 
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Bush's fault...still? Man, you are really grabbing at anything now.

No I'm not. You don't like facts. And a fact isn't liberal and it isn't conservative. It's simply a fact. It's a fact that Bush's tax cuts and his wars are responsible for a huge sea of enduring red ink. And it's a fact Obama and the democrats do not have the power to unilaterally undo them.
 

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If I may interject?

There is no denying that Bush contributed heavily to our current debt, and our current monetary problems. Notice the word that i used, contributed. In some respect, it is still "Bush's fault." I concede this point.

However, having said that, it is not *exclusively* Bush's fault. And 3 years in, by his own admission, it is now Obama's problem.

Obama's policies have not exactly been a rousing success, and he and his ilk have wasted and squandered more than a bit of our money. Our economy is still down, and our credit rating has been downgraded. Additionally, many of the current policies are by their very design, doomed to failure, being little more than cronyism at their core.

Suffice it to say, there is plenty of blame to go around. Three years into his administration, continued cries of "it's Bush's fault" as the sole excuse, are wearing a bit thin.

It's time he took some responsibility.
 

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And my take on the situation is that 3 years into McCain's presidency we would be in much the same economic situation as we are, if not much worse. I say that as someone with a strong undergraduate and graduate Economics education, many years experience at Wall Street bulge bracket firms at the Managing Director level, and government work experience in both the legislative and executive branches (economic policy in the White House). I never expected Obama or anyone else to dramatically reverse the nosedive -- we were facing the edge of a cliff as we entered 2009 -- but I did expect him to apply triage and stabilize the economy during his first term. I very much do believe the stimulus packages have helped. By the standard of preventing the country from plunging into a full-fledged depression, I think this administration has been a great success, as successful as any other Democratic or Republican administration could have been. Most economic indicators report that the recession has ended and we're in a period of modest, sustainable growth. At the end of a second Obama term I would expect the US economic engine to be humming along quite nicely. No more irrational exuberances, thank you.