Dems introducing legislation to eliminate electoral college

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Would you support allowing states to secede if it meant that the electoral college would be eliminated?
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Dem introduces bills to eliminate electoral college, stop presidents from pardoning themselves

Never. I'm not a fan of the EC. There will never be enough states to ratify an amendment to get rid of it, It will kill the rural states, and as dumb as some of them are ("All most heaven, West Virginia . . .") they are still smart enough not to give up the reins of power. While it would have been better, in my opinion if Hillary won, Gore too, the lesson under the present system is each side needs the other to win AND govern, by good old fashioned compromise - which has been dead for a long time now.

As to secession, this is an appeal to the same loon birds who gave us Trump. It will weaken the nation as a whole (what do you think 50 border walls will cost?), and weaken democracy in the world. Save time just sign it all over to Putin and China.
 

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As to secession, this is an appeal to the same loon birds who gave us Trump. It will weaken the nation as a whole (what do you think 50 border walls will cost?), and weaken democracy in the world. Save time just sign it all over to Putin and China.

If the Electoral College is eliminated, I believe secession should be on the table. As far as I'm concerned, I'd be thrilled with breaking up the country into two parts, one for liberals and one for conservatives. That will never happen, but it would be great if it did.
 

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You don't have to share them but you can't deny that as shown they take more than they give.

Maybe, or maybe that's due to creative accounting. I don't know or care. It doesn't really matter. I do know that California, the crown jewel of liberal utopia, has the highest poverty rate in the nation. If liberal governance is so fantastic, why are so many Californians living under the poverty line?
 
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Maybe, or maybe that's due to creative accounting. I don't know or care. It doesn't really matter. I do know that California, the crown jewel of liberal utopia, has the highest poverty rate in the nation. If liberal governance is so fantastic, why are so many Californians living under the poverty line?
Oh so actual data is irrelevant and unknown but imaginary statements you heard are 100% fact and are to be believed?
 
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Maybe, or maybe that's due to creative accounting. I don't know or care. It doesn't really matter. I do know that California, the crown jewel of liberal utopia, has the highest poverty rate in the nation. If liberal governance is so fantastic, why are so many Californians living under the poverty line?
See, you just make things up:
The 10 Poorest States In America For 2019
All RED states
 

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Maybe, or maybe that's due to creative accounting. I don't know or care. It doesn't really matter. I do know that California, the crown jewel of liberal utopia, has the highest poverty rate in the nation. If liberal governance is so fantastic, why are so many Californians living under the poverty line?

Nope. Wrong again! See this link (it's an actual, gasp, citation):

List of U.S. states and territories by poverty rate - Wikipedia

California ranks #35.
Mississippi is dead last...
 

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They can vote on bills all they want. To remove the EC would require a constitutional amendment that would require 3/4 of the states. Good luck with that.
 

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However you know GD well that if in 2000 Al Gore had lost the popular vote by 500K but won via the EC and in 2016 Hillary Clinton has lost the popular vote by almost 10 times that number but still won via the EC EVERY "good luck with that" right winger would be absolutely wrapped around the axle about eliminating the EC through what ever means necessary.

But just like with voter fraud via absentee voting because it benefits them they don't give a shit
 

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If the Electoral College is eliminated, I believe secession should be on the table. As far as I'm concerned, I'd be thrilled with breaking up the country into two parts, one for liberals and one for conservatives. That will never happen, but it would be great if it did.

How would that be great? The conservative states take money from the liberal states to do silly things like build their roads, schools and hospitals as well as feed people. Since even you concede it will never happen, and I feel it can't ever happen it is really a non-starter. I don't like the EC, for many reasons. In its absence you loose Trump and Bush 2 and are soon whining about being neglected. The reasons that caused the EC to be formed pretty much remain in slightly altered form. You should like the EC, given your positions. Without it, your points would be more and more ignored in the national debate. The EC forces the urban liberal to remember our rural brethren and their legitimate concerns that need to be fairly addressed. Again, I see a conservative position that is destructive on the whole counter productive to it's stated desire. This is not new.
 

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However you know GD well that if in 2000 Al Gore had lost the popular vote by 500K but won via the EC and in 2016 Hillary Clinton has lost the popular vote by almost 10 times that number but still won via the EC EVERY "good luck with that" right winger would be absolutely wrapped around the axle about eliminating the EC through what ever means necessary.

But just like with voter fraud via absentee voting because it benefits them they don't give a shit

So what you’re saying is both sides act the same way.
 

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Only you would see it that way.

"my side" would do away with the EC

"my side" would say that IF you are going to require "voter ID" for voting in person then you MUST also require it for voting via absentee.

"your side" want NEITHER of those things

Only in your alternative reality world does that equal "acts the same way"
 

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So what you’re saying is both sides act the same way.

At times, often times they do. But there are also real reasons why this may be a bad idea. Again the key purpose was to make candidates work for a broader base of voters than just specific groups. It was the reason power was ceded to the Feds. It is the reason we formed and survived and thrived. It is flawed, but there is nothing on the table that will address those needs any better, nothing.