did anyone else see the NY times circumcision article?.....

[deleted15807]

I think all cut men, in protest, should run around the forums butt naked to the chagrin of the foreskin obsessed.

No no no!! Running around implies you are happy when actually you should be in a lifelong state of irreconcilable depression over what was 'stolen' from you. You are to never know happiness.

 

[mitchymo]

It is a fact that the foreskin is not 'needed' as a bodypart and so having it or not is irrelevant. What the point is on circumcision threads is why other people are making the choice on your behalf. If an adult who is uncut wants to be cut then fair enough, i would consider it body modification or medical necessity as applicable to reasoning of choice. Babies have no choice and so it is regarded as wrong to most uncut men for the practice to exist when there is no other necessity for it than because it is ingrained in culture. Nobody is (or at least should be) suggesting that circumcision is wrong to do, just that it is wrong to make the decision for someone else even if they are your kids because it is not a medical necessity to be cut.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

No no no!! Running around implies you are happy when actually you should be in a lifelong state of irreconcilable depression over what was 'stolen' from you. You are to never know happiness.

* Pulls Down Sargon20's pants *
Come now, join me and experience the freedom of joyful, circumcised floppage!! :biggrin1:

 

[B_thickjohnny]

It is a fact that the foreskin is not 'needed' as a bodypart and so having it or not is irrelevant. What the point is on circumcision threads is why other people are making the choice on your behalf. If an adult who is uncut wants to be cut then fair enough, i would consider it body modification or medical necessity as applicable to reasoning of choice. Babies have no choice and so it is regarded as wrong to most uncut men for the practice to exist when there is no other necessity for it than because it is ingrained in culture. Nobody is (or at least should be) suggesting that circumcision is wrong to do, just that it is wrong to make the decision for someone else even if they are your kids because it is not a medical necessity to be cut.

I don't disagree with you at all! But in the old days it was just what was done. Most of us (save for the few who feel they were "mutilated") are well adjusted men living very normal, well adjusted lives. I'm not advocating circumcision at birth but at the same time, and I'm not sure I would do it to my son, if I ever had one. But if a well informed parent chooses, for whatever reasons, to circumcise their son, so be it. I have brothers and cousins and friends and all discussed this at length with their doctors, with friends and family before making their choice on behalf of their sons. Parents make plenty of decisions and choices for and on behalf of their children. Parents get their daughters ears pierced, ears fixed because THEY don't like the way they look, etc. All that can be done is to make sure all the information is out there for them to make, what they believe, is a well informed decision.

Regarding adult men, it's their choice to do with their body as they want. How many times I cringe at the sight of a body covered in ink or piercings everywhere. That's what THEY want for themselves. If getting circumcised is their choice, so be it.

 

[justcurious80]

ok whoa, im just gonna leave all the fighting to everyone else. the reason i posted it was because it was a headline on the ny times website. im aware of all the circ threads on this message board, but to see how the administration wants to push circs was upsetting.

keep in mind i understand an adult's decision to get circumcised if desired or if needed, but RIC is wrong handsdown. how can i walk around with the mentality that cutting my son will help reduce his chances of aids. but i hate to tell you, he should have the smarts to be safe and educated before walking into any sexual encounter.

 

[mitchymo]

ok whoa, im just gonna leave all the fighting to everyone else. the reason i posted it was because it was a headline on the ny times website. im aware of all the circ threads on this message board, but to see how the administration wants to push circs was upsetting

Hahaha, you may have noticed i started a circ thread of my own and i thought it died a death until it resurfaced and is making me regret ever bringing it up LOL

 

[B_VinylBoy]

All these "circ" threads beat around the same opinions and insults as the previous ones. Even with a new article, it regurgitates the same old LPSG demons and there's absolutely no common ground between the two sides. They'll never agree on anything. The anti-circs on one side thinks people who are cut are practically abominations to male society. The ones that are cut and actually live healthy lives state otherwise, however the anti-circs cannot fathom how they possibly could. Lather, rinse, repeat for 80 pages.

No offense to the OP, but we didn't need thread number 73267864237894032 on the subject matter.

 

[Smartalk]

I wonder if like the UK America had a National Health System, offering free treatment for all, including FREE circumcisions. Doctors would'nt make any extra pocket money out of it then. Would they be as keen then to subject infant boys to unnecessary pain inflicting proceedure

 

[darkbond007]

I do not think that this is the issue. Some cut men feel they have been mutilated as babies at a time when they could not decide about their bodies. This is what I understand (I am intact). What they seem to want is to stop RIC.
The rest is a construction of some circumcision militants that start talking nonsense like "foreskin fetish" etc. and think that any human intervention is per se progress and should improve the health of the general population.
It would be interesting to see whether all this "progress" really makes a society so healthy. It does not seem to me that North Americans are particularly healthy compared to southern or central Europeans or Scandinavians. Sure, the US is to admire for having reduced smoking (and tobacco companies from the South have discovered large markets in Eastern Europe and Asia).
Anyway, I think that only adults are free to dispose of their bodies as they wish and to chop off whatever they like if they feel dirty or whatever. It is their body perception and if they are happy with scars, skin-bridges, bi-colored shafts etc., fine with me, as long as they leave me and my sons alone. But circumcision advocates should not talk nonsense.
Again, for me this is no big deal since thank God I do not live in the US (and no, I am not in a "dirty" 3rd world country either).

There are two other people to your equation:
1. Men having had adult circumcision and having the ability to give a better insight
2. Men who are restoring and feel empowered over stretched skin

While you have your opinion on circ and RIC especially, no one is forcing you to do it or be apart of it. Truthfully intact men have little to no grounds for an argument having never ever experience a circumcision.

 

[darkbond007]

ok whoa, im just gonna leave all the fighting to everyone else. the reason i posted it was because it was a headline on the ny times website. im aware of all the circ threads on this message board, but to see how the administration wants to push circs was upsetting.

keep in mind i understand an adult's decision to get circumcised if desired or if needed, but RIC is wrong handsdown. how can i walk around with the mentality that cutting my son will help reduce his chances of aids. but i hate to tell you, he should have the smarts to be safe and educated before walking into any sexual encounter.

An NY times article isn't law. They are journalists all in all.

 

[B_Shurewood]

This arrogant administration should attend to the business of government and STAY OUT of our personal lives.

 

[B_Morning_Glory]

This arrogant administration should attend to the business of government and STAY OUT of our personal lives.

oh and by saying that you believe the BS. THAT bush and his stupid administration has done, did, and still causing us problems yet as we speak here, didn't and hasn't affected yours and others personal life in any way i don't suppose. dont you have some balls to say that

 

[bigbull29]

The address for the CDC is:
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
1600 Clifton Rd
Atlanta, GA 30333

You should present your research. Maybe they will reverse their findings.

Also since the WHO recommends circumcision and they are right there in Switzerland where in your profile you live which should make it really really convenient you should present your research there too:

World Health Organization
Avenue Appia 20
1211 Geneva 27
Switzerland

He's right there, so he can go anytime. I hope it goods enough to convince them to change their stance. You know anti-circ loons have "underground" research that's yet to come out.

I can't sleep because I was mutilated. It was just brought to my attention on LPSG. I need therapy. My only consolation is that I was loosely circumcised. Am I still a freak of nature?

Eurotop, I am not into fucking in the ass as it's not my thing (maybe it's a bit unnatural to me). But it's not my right to tell you what to do with your body.

 

[deleted15807]

This arrogant administration should attend to the business of government and STAY OUT of our personal lives.

Disease prevention has never been and never will be personal.

He's right there, so he can go anytime. I hope it goods enough to convince them to change their stance. You know anti-circ loons have "underground" research that's yet to come out.

Exactly right. Research that you can't find accepted as fact by any medical or research body.

 

[B_Shurewood]

oh and by saying that you believe the BS. THAT bush and his stupid administration has done, did, and still causing us problems yet as we speak here, didn't and hasn't affected yours and others personal life in any way i don't suppose. dont you have some balls to say that

Where did I say that I believe the "BS" you speak of?
Typical of the female mind ... distract and deflect away from what you do not wish to recognize. Blame it all on something or someone else, and take NO responsibility. How very typical. ... I am stomping on that ignore button. Perhaps you need this administration to play "daddy" ... the rest of us will be just fine without supervision and socialism.

 

[faceking]

now ya'll know what it's like to scoff at the global warming pundits (nee freaks).

ballyho.

 

[B_Morning_Glory]

This arrogant administration should attend to the business of government and STAY OUT of our personal lives.

right here you want government out of our lives well bush did more harm to our lives by government than any other pres. so where were you 8 yrs ago when it was taking place. now obama has been in office only 7 months and your bitching about him. again i ask you were were you when bush was in office screwing up our lives back then. thats my point another point is this, you seem to be the topical loud mouth man who thinks women have know place or rights. how ever if it wasn't for us women you wouldn't be here. regardless of why your here a women carried you here and delivered you. all the lazy ass man did was spurt a few seeds in ER mother and went on about his careless way most likely, so remember that next time you try putting me or any other women down to your level as to mind. you have none thats why the job was given to us women to carry you around on a chip as it is a known fact some men cant do any thing right. other men are perfect and those i dearly love.:tongue::smile:

 

[Rubenesque]

That says just one thing to me... America's officials think American citizens are idiots who can't work out how to bag it up!

My opinion - in this day and age if you're stupid enough to continue to have unprotected sex with people whose sexual health you are not certain of... if AIDS doesn't get you the traffic probably will, because seriously, how do those people manage to cross a bloody road on their own without getting killed?

That's not to say I'm not sympathetic to those who have contracted the virus because they've had a cheating life partner, had a blood transfusion etc or contracted it before we were being educated about it.

 

[B_Shurewood]

right here you want government out of our lives well bush did more harm to our lives by government than any other pres. so where were you 8 yrs ago when it was taking place. now obama has been in office only 7 months and your bitching about him. again i ask you were were you when bush was in office screwing up our lives back then. thats my point another point is this, you seem to be the topical loud mouth man who thinks women have know place or rights. how ever if it wasn't for us women you wouldn't be here. regardless of why your here a women carried you here and delivered you. all the lazy ass man did was spurt a few seeds in ER mother and went on about his careless way most likely, so remember that next time you try putting me or any other women down to your level as to mind. you have none thats why the job was given to us women to carry you around on a chip as it is a known fact some men cant do any thing right. other men are perfect and those i dearly love.:tongue::smile:

"If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts." -- Camille Paglia

 

[B_Morning_Glory]

"If civilization had been left in female hands, we would still be living in grass huts." -- Camille Paglia

just as i thought nothing but stupidity on your part. proved my thoughts about you were correct as they most always are about some people and their attitude toward women. smart ass. Camilla Paglia was nothing to me and still isn't. get with the program dude or ship out :wink:.