Did Bush Steal the 2004 Election ?

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"Sorry, but your conspiracy theories are BS. Terrorists DID blow up the WTC"


You have NO clue!!!!

The Terrorists??? look no further than DC

Check on that supposed PLANE that hit the Pentagon. A missle!!!

why did it take YEARS for the government controlled "VIDEO" to be released.

There was NO plane. You CANNOT hijack a plane in the vicinity of ANDREWS AFB. YOU CANNOT!!!!!!!!!!


Flight93 was shot down, there were no HEROES on that plane. But that's what they told you. There had to be something "PATRIOTIC and FEEL GOOD"
out of all this BULLSHIT.

i know for a FACT what's going on over in IRAQ. It AIN'T all that's being REPORTED

Truly no clue. You REALLY need to do some homework.


You understand the game of chess??? Pawns???


Ask who and how MUCH the TWIN TOWERS we sold to and for? Find out the insurance policy on it. When you OPEN your eyes and put these pieces together, you'll see.

A "reason" was needed to go over and JACK the OIL from Iraq. We saw the "reason" on national TV.

They went over there, killed folks, blew shit up and hired Cheney's boys to go over there and rebuild. This "war" will go on long enough to make sure the oil is REDIRECTED and CONTROLLED. They are "WESTERNIZING" that area, while in the process of killing ALL who opposes. Making sure they're relatives are set for GENERATIONS.

OPEN YOUR EYES
 

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An article from early June and the avant-garde at LPSG are just now getting excited about it. Nothing like having your fingers on the very pulse of the nation.

But didn't this come up before? I recall posting a link to an article which does a pretty good job of discussing the routine fudges in exit polls. (But maybe that was on some other leftoid board - my memory is perhaps showing its age.) The article was by a professional pollster, and while I believe that his understanding of the whole field of statistical mathematics is somewhat circumscribed - a failing shared by the few I happen to know who are in the polling business (as they are not, in the main, professional mathematicians) - the article was still a bit over the head of Joe Average. So of couse it would make no dent in Rolling Stone readership.

I note some puzzlement here about that Novus Ordo Seclorum stuff, too. Even though it's in a Dead White Guy language, you can't be very avant-garde if you're not into the New Order of the Ages.

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big dirigible said:
An article from early June and the avant-garde at LPSG are just now getting excited about it. Nothing like having your fingers on the very pulse of the nation.
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big,
I think it was just a slow news day.
 

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Dr. Dilznick said:

Thanks for the article - much appreciated. Please note, though, the point of my post essentially addressed this part of the Salon article:

Certainly you can find some good in Kennedy's report. His section on Kenneth Blackwell, Ohio's right-wing secretary of state, nicely sums up the reasons why people have been suspicious of the voting process in the state. Blackwell, Kennedy notes, "had broad powers to interpret and implement state and federal election laws -- setting standards for everything from the processing of voter registration to the conduct of official recounts." There's no argument that he used those powers for partisan gain. As Kennedy documents, in the months prior to the election, Blackwell issued a series of arbitrary and capricious voting and registration rules that could well have disenfranchised many people in the state.

But to prove Blackwell stole the state for Bush, Kennedy's got to do more than show instances of Blackwell's mischief. He's got to outline where Blackwell's actions could possibly have added up to enough votes to put the wrong man in office.

That's basically what I was saying, only from the other side of it, that the evidence looks awfully suspicious. Did Kennedy outline where Blackwell's actions singularly added up to put the wrong man in office? No - but that's not even the argument that was being made. The argument was that it was a LARGER effort than just Blackwell, and on that count, Kennedy DID argue that effectively. He simply mentioned Blackwell as having a significant role in that larger effort.

As far as Kennedy using places that are not necessarily known for their factual accuracy, it might be nice if the Bush Administration would do the same regarding global warming, since all peer-reviewed papers have settled the debate a long time ago. But that's bordering on hijacking the thread, so I'll stop there on that point.

In any case, the Salon article didn't cover other aspects that Kennedy did which still raise doubts - for instance, redrawing precinct lines (causing voter confusion), voters in living at the same address voting at the same polling station but one vote counting and one not because voters were in different lines, improperly dated voter registration cards, etc. The Salon article points out some valid things, but it starts most of them with caveats like, "This is mostly true, but...". And some of the claims are just laughable. Like the one about the election official who said, "Why would I disenfranchise my own race" - well, duh - Kenneth Blackwell did, it's not hard to assume there'd be some other African American officials would, too.

The Salon article may have dampened my original reaction, but certainly not done enough to squelch it entirely. There's still a lot of evidence out there that remains unaddressed. Can we agree that in order for our country to function as a true republic, then votes should be counted accurately, and voters not be disenfranchised? That's really my major concern - that we are a country governed by leaders that were fairly elected - that's all, nothing more, nothing less.