Did Jesus really die on the cross?

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it's not something religious people want to hear, but the story of jesus' birth and his crucifixion MAY BE based on ancient Egyptian stories of their sun god. (keeping it simple here) 'Jesus' is actually the Sun, 'the cross' is a constellation - by 'he died on the cross and rose after 3 days' the sun stopped rising for 3 days underneath the cross constellation and then began to rise further (as we know the sun does every year). There's a similar story behind the whole nativity story. almost every religion in the world is based on astrological events, as was the Egyptian Horus. though, this is just theory, just as the bible is.

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this vid is dated and not the best but shows what i mean. Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007 has the best intro - about 15 minutes deditcated the history of religion. Anyone who feels strongly about religion may not want to watch it though.

just a point - i'm not a 'believer' as such, nor am i a non-believer. I'm waiting to be convinced as to who and what is real.
 

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According to the bible he did...anyone else who posts other wise would just be posting an opinion and theory of some sort. One can speculate and try to debate but I suppose its just a matter of faith to believe or not.

This can be debated forever though...so the best thing to use would be the bible and what it says because what we say are most likely subjective person to person and hold no merit compare to the ancient writings of the holy bible. Just my opinion of course.

We're only human and anything we say is subjective. Let's just take the story of Little Red Riding Hood as fact...

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound? Anyone with a brain and who hasn't had a religion foced upon them knows the bible is just a very popular fairytale!

There may have been a man called Jesus who was perhaps a faith healer. He would have been dark skinned and in that time faith healing would be perceived as a type of miracle, as it still is today (by some). But he was not the son of God, there is no God and no one ever comes back from the dead.
 

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I always believe that jesus die on cross without believing in the resurrection . When i learn that jesus was only 3 hours on the cross and that the average time to kill a person on the cross was 1-2 days , i start to doubt his death on the cross. We have to keep in mind that a person that is crucified not always die on the cross . Some times people crucified were safe because they are taken down from the cross early.
 

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We're only human and anything we say is subjective. Let's just take the story of Little Red Riding Hood as fact...

Do you realise how ridiculous you sound? Anyone with a brain and who hasn't had a religion foced upon them knows the bible is just a very popular fairytale!

There may have been a man called Jesus who was perhaps a faith healer. He would have been dark skinned and in that time faith healing would be perceived as a type of miracle, as it still is today (by some). But he was not the son of God, there is no God and no one ever comes back from the dead.
Wow that made all the sense in the world! Thanks.
 

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But then again, you spend all day on this board, you can't see how ridiculous that is?
If I spent the whole day on here don't you'd think I'd have more than 6777? or something posts. I've been here for more than a year. I'm a student, in placement 7 hours a day without a computer near me... then I work for 5 hours right after that. So no I don't spend all day online I just know how to make the most of the posting I do do in between homework and school and work and partying cause I'm legal in Canada and you know... taking care of six animals.

Want to spin the wheel again though? Try not to comment on things you have no clue about.... not to mention I have an invisible status so you wouldn't be able to see my online if I had not posted now... moron.
 

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I don't buy it... the bible was probably written by people on drugs.
I tend to think that Jesus and his followers were gay and faghags. If they were around today going around saying things like they supposedly were doing back then, they would definitely be called queer.
 

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But then again, you spend all day on this board, you can't see how ridiculous that is?

If this was directed at me: I like it here. I'd rather be here than in church or reading the bag of wank that is the bible. Or even contemplating it as anything other than fiction.

I have bursts on here where I come and post, this does not amount to all day. Maybe an hour or two at most :smile:

The other 22 hours, I masturbate :tongue:
 

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1. That he actually die on the cross.

The answer to this comes down to faith. I believe he did, while I completely understand and accept someone else's scepticism. It's their right as it is mine to believe or disbelieve anything they wish.

2 . That he wasnt crucified ( That's what Muslims believe )

Of course Muslims don't believe it. They have a vested interest discounting it. Not to come off like a jerk here but it's just that simple. As I said, it comes down to faith. I once heard an Israeli Jewish woman sight the Old Testament to justify the Jewish settlements near the West Bank. An idiotic argument since such an argument is useless to qwell the conflict. If the Palestinians accepted and understood the Old Testament in that way, they would cease to be Palestinian Muslims and become Israeli Jews. At that point the very basis of the conflict evaporates, which I think all will agree is not likely to happen.

3. That he survived the cruxifiction ( New theory that Jesus survived because he was on the cross a short time only about 3 hours ( cruxifiction was a very slow death taking usually 1-2 days to kill the person .)

This makes the least sense since why would anyone crucify someone for just 3 hours? Crucifixion seems like an all or nothing deal to me. Why would you nail a guy up there, only to take him down following 2 back to back soccer matches? Unless 3 hours later he was dead that is.

4. Well some people think that jesus actually never existed but i think that the historical jesus was real .

Jesus existed. Whether you believe him to be the only begotten son of God and/or the Messiah is another matter. In another words, I exist. It's just that I am the only one who believes I am the reincarnation of Al Capone's father's cousin's half sister's dry cleaner, prior to opening his business.
 

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If this was directed at me: I like it here. I'd rather be here than in church or reading the bag of wank that is the bible. Or even contemplating it as anything other than fiction.

I have bursts on here where I come and post, this does not amount to all day. Maybe an hour or two at most :smile:

The other 22 hours, I masturbate :tongue:

I don't think this comment is necessary, it doesn't add anything to any debate. Why don't you edit it out while you have time?
 

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Three posibilities exists :

1. That he actually die on the cross

2 . That he wasnt crucified ( That's what Muslims believe )

3. That he survived the cruxifiction ( New theory that Jesus survived because he was on the cross a short time only about 3 hours ( cruxifiction was a very slow death taking usually 1-2 days to kill the person .)

4. Well some people think that jesus actually never existed but i think that the historical jesus was real .



Shouldn't you have waited for Easter for this thread bigtall? :biggrin1:
 

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He NEVER existed. Christianity as well as the other major religions are really based on Sun worship and astrology. The SON of God is really the SUN god. check out this movie that explains this in detail and shows the evolution of religion. It is astounding. Zeitgeist - The Movie, 2007
 

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Shouldn't you have waited for Easter for this thread bigtall? :biggrin1:

:biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1: I think is better to release the thread right now . By the time easter comes it will become a huge thread . Threads are better when many people give their opinions.
 

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I think you have all missed the point. It doesn't matter if Christ existed or not....what matters is that CHRISTIANS exist! That's what we have to deal with...millions of people with faith! And I suspect that that faith exists without support from any historical evidence...like all other religions. In fact, there is no real difference between the world's religions. Why should there be? They exist, not because some diety requires worshippers, but because humans need something to worship. So I find the need to prove that Jesus (or God or Allah or Johovah or any other major or minor god) exists to be meaningless. What we should be working on is what brings us together...not what separates us.