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Just curious to those that voted for Obama and if he runs again in 2012, would you vote for him then? :rolleyes:

For me....no and no.
 

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‪Yes We Can - Barack Obama Music Video‬‏ - YouTube

Yes, I voted for the President. I campaigned for him. I did a lot of work for Rock the Vote back in 2008. The video above (which, yes, I know and knew then was propaganda) inspired me. After eight years of President Bush, the country seemed depressed and downtrodden. What I voted for was a leader who was willing to compromise, who would restore some dignity (intelligence) to the Oval Office, and start the long process of cleaning up our tarnished image internationally. I voted for a progressive candidate who would sit down, assess our problems, and then get to work fixing them. I voted for a man whose sweeping rhetoric restored the hope people had in their government to be a conduit for good, where people came together, and no one was left behind.


Is that what I got? Not... to the extent I was hoping for. Is it my fault for being naive? Is it the President's fault for being too willing to compromise? Was I stupid to think the first black man to sit in the Oval Office would be able to do anything but fend off the ignorant, redneck, whistlin' dixie half of this country in their thinly veiled racism? Maybe. Maybe it's all of those things. I have seen President Obama do very little governing. I've seen his White House show up at the OK Corral and give the Claton's one free pass after another... so I don't have much of a record to go on that would see me voting against him.


And besides... what's the alternative? Does the political right have a candidate that isn't a rejected Looney Toon? That isn't hypocritical to the point of bloviating on the sanctity of marriage, after having been married several times? That wants better government as opposed to no government? That has any chance in hell of winning anything?

Find me a reasonable candidate, interested in governance over politics, that doesn't suffer from some unnamed mental handicap, that advocates for the advancement of the United States through reason and logic and I'll vote for him or her. The closest I've found that is definitely going to be on the ballot in 2012 is Barack Obama.





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no... and no....(but I doubt the reps are gonna put up a decent candidate... doesn't look hopeful for them.)

but I have to say, I am not a redneck, whistlin' dixie dumbass as painted by the above poster, and take offense to his comments regarding anyone who might disagree with his political stance. You have a right to your opinions about YOUR position in politics but please don't try to label everyone who disagrees with the President as racist.... OMG! do NOT go there... (back off buddy)
 
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y'all ain't gonna get to vote for anyone.
world domination is mine.
2012, i'm what the Mayans were so worked up about.
 

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I voted for him but as of right now, will not vote for him again. He's a well meaning guy, but not up to the task of governing and standing up to the Teabagging GOP. I'm voting Green.
 

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I voted for him but as of right now, will not vote for him again. He's a well meaning guy, but not up to the task of governing and standing up to the Teabagging GOP. I'm voting Green.


I just did a google search for who was actually running (who had declared anyway) for the Green Party. Stewart Alexander's name was the first to pop up (not only as the Green Party candidate from California but also as the socialist Party candidate.) Being as I'm not a complete moron, the word socialist doesn't frighten me. I understand its implications on policy and know that we've had plenty of it right here in the United States for decades and decades. So, whatever, I decided to go to his website.


Home


The fact that it starts out with "Welcome comrades" is where the train went off the tracks for me. Why not "Heil Hommies?" Again, it's not that the reference is so deeply troubling to me personally... it's that this person is never, ever, under any circumstance going to be the President. Not ever. This is not unlike the debates I get into about Ron Paul- yes, I'd like to end the war on drugs, yes I think there needs to be more transparency with the Federal Reserve, but is a vote for Ron Paul, knowing there isn't any chance under the sun that he'll win really productive year after year?





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I've answered this question many times before, but this time I'm going to be more brutally honest about it.

I initially voted for Hillary in the primary. Personally, as much as I wanted it to happen and was glad to see it materialize I didn't think our country was ready for a black president. I really wanted to see a Clinton/Obama ticket for 2008, with Clinton doing two terms and Obama running in 2016. Alas that didn't happen, and Obama became the nominee.

On the issues, Obama was better than McCain so I voted for him. Biden is a mess but Palin is just flat out nasty, divisive and evil. And Ron Paul is the (R) answer to Ralph Nader. Will I vote for Obama in 2012? The answer is yes since at this point no other party has provided a single candidate worth a damn to vote for. Despite his shortcomings, Obama is one of the only people in Congress that seems to be acting like an adult among a caucus of ideological circus freaks. The opposition doesn't even know when to turn off "campaign mode" for one second to actually do their job. They just know only one mode which is "attack", even if it means assuming a hypocritical stance and voting against something they are actually for. People who are so vehemently hell bent to defeat a seated president are not mentally stable enough to do their job properly. Politicians who claim to hate government should not even be allowed to govern. I don't believe in the concept of "throwing everyone out" of Congress because it's not everyone who is causing the problems. It's just certain ones, and I'm adamant in making sure the details are analyzed and the spotlight gets shined on those who deserve it.

So yeah, the choice for me is too damn obvious. Let's just get through all this ridiculous campaigning so we can get the voting over already.
 
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I initially voted for Hillary in the primary. Personally, as much as I wanted it to happen and was glad to see it materialize I didn't think our country was ready for a black president. I really wanted to see a Clinton/Obama ticket for 2008, with Clinton doing two terms and Obama running in 2016. Alas that didn't happen, and Obama became the nominee.

This would have been the better bet for everyone I believe. I agree with your view of McCain and Palin.

Of course, hind-sight is 20/20 and I imagine Obama now would have preferred to have the years as VP "grooming" for the role. Only I wouldn't say that US wasn't ready for a black President, only that Obama is/was just too inexperienced.
 

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Of course, hind-sight is 20/20 and I imagine Obama now would have preferred to have the years as VP "grooming" for the role. Only I wouldn't say that US wasn't ready for a black President, only that Obama is/was just too inexperienced.

Honestly, I think the issue is less about governing experience and more about playing the political game and knowing how to manipulate people in positions of power to get things done. Seeing how divided our Congress is right now and how vehemently against the opposition is being towards a Democratic president, we needed someone in power who would have known how to deal with an obstructionistic governing body. I remember getting all sorts of slack for supporting Hillary Clinton in the primary, even on this board. But it was clear that the president entering into office in 2008 would be doing so under conditions that are much different than most politicians could have ever feared. That would also give time for the country to learn who Obama really was, making things a bit easier (or harder) for him in 2016.

Obama is doing what he can as a President and is being very careful not to overstep his boundaries. He is only one of three representing bodies in the legislative process, and without a functioning House & Senate there's not much he can really do by himself. If Obama was our president in 2000 (following Bill Clinton), I doubt that we would be going through as much gridlock in Congress as we're experiencing now.

And perhaps I was being a bit hasty about the nation not being ready for a black president. But considering all of the outrageous images and soundbites we've been blitzed with over the last few years, I can't help but feel that in some ways our nation has socially regressed a bit. Instead of pushing policy, the opposition is pushing anger and doing it in such extreme ways to really alienate everyone in the process. I know it's just the usual political game, but damn. :no:
 
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And perhaps I was being a bit hasty about the nation not being ready for a black president. But considering all of the outrageous images and soundbites we've been blitzed with over the last few years, I can't help but feel that in some ways our nation has socially regressed a bit. Instead of pushing policy, the opposition is pushing anger and doing it in such extreme ways to really alienate everyone in the process. I know it's just the usual political game, but damn. :no:

I don't think you were being hasty at all. This country isn't ready for a Black President anymore than I think it's ready for a Female President. The ignorant, redneck, white-pride, The-South-Shall-Rise-Again population is a lot bigger than people are comfortable admitting. That portion of the population has to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into absolutely everything. In terms of advancing equality in this country, you name the legislation, and that half of the country has been against it. If we waited for the people who aren't ready, nothing would ever get done (which... seems to be their goal; bring the country to a stand-still and hold it there long enough to start working backwards.) You weren't wrong. The country wasn't ready for a Black President. The... exponential growth of cancer that is the Tea Party is all the evidence anyone would need of that.

Their immovable stance on everything from society to legislation cannot hold the rest of us hostage.





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FuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Granted, things were pretty shaky hen he took office, but SHIT, it's just gotten worst! He is too ADDICTED to spending! Stop the Wars Obama Baby then my vote wil be MAYBE!

Ron Paul seems to be the lesser of all evils. Romney definely NO - he was governor of my state and we are still paying for the "Big Vig", I mean big dig! It isn't even finished and tunnels are collapsing so on and so forth! Plkus hew made it "the law" that "you have to have health insurance in Mass or youy get fiuned! MassHGealth - whgat ObamaCare is based on SUCKS!!!!!!!! You getr the "bottom-of-the barrel care! Besides, physicians, like Medicare, DO NOT HAVE TO ACCEPT IT! I unbderstand why! They don't want the government telling them what they can charge for services! In the end, does it really fuckin'matter who is elected? Our system of goivernment needs an overhaul!
 

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Yes and yes.
I concur with those who write that the country wasn't ready for a black President. IT has driven the yahoos BATSHIT CRAZY! He is conflict avoidant and, I think, harbored some delusion that if he payed nice republicans would undergo a personality transplant. In that sense he is a disappontment. But I'm a democrat and vote for democrats. Plus, I'm gay and of the opnion that a gay republican is comparable to a jewish nazi.
 

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Maybe I've said this before -- here it is again.
I live in Kansas (outside Kansas City). I have actually met people who have told me they would vote for a goat if it was running on the Republican ticket! With that in mind, I personally have decided to become a hard ass Democrat. I "used" to be a Republican in Pennsylvania (my home town of Pittsburgh and later Phila) -- but as I've gotten older, I have decided that our country is in infinitely better hands under the Democrats and their concern for the multi-cultural nation we have become. Their vision for the nation is to lift ALL Americans to the rights of LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Harry Truman said it in his acceptance speech of 1948, "The Republican Party is and always has been the Party of the rich and Corporations!" 1948!! When that turns into a total lack of concern for the middle class.....I get really really riled!

Therefore -- from now until the day I die I am going to vote a straight Democratic Ticket period! Just watch the national conventions and take a look at the faces present...........turn DOWN the sound and just watch the crowd! The Democrats always reflect the face of the people!
 

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I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 and the only way he'd get my vote in the future is with my cold, dead hand.


Their vision for the nation is to lift ALL Americans to the rights of LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

You say life is a right and I agree, but there is no way I will ever believe that the Democrats believe that life is a right, especially when they ardently support abortion. In fact, they feel so passionately about it, that they make me and a lot of other Americans pay for them and not only the ones here in America, but around the world. A little hard to enjoy liberty and the pursuit of happiness when you're dead.
 

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You say that some Republicans would vote for a goat if it was on the ticket. And you say you're going to vote party line no matter what. Isn't that the same thing on different sides?
 

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You say life is a right and I agree, but there is no way I will ever believe that the Democrats believe that life is a right, especially when they ardently support abortion. In fact, they feel so passionately about it, that they make me and a lot of other Americans pay for them and not only the ones here in America, but around the world. A little hard to enjoy liberty and the pursuit of happiness when you're dead.

With a statement like this, I could either go into the abortion issue and how it is actually necessary for a woman to have the right to choose, or I could make a snide comment about how the previous administration sent thousands of people looking to "enjoy liberty and the pursuit of happiness" to their deaths in the Middle East under false pretenses. But I won't.
 

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I did not, I will not.

I would have infinitely preferred a Clinton/Obama ticket, but as mentioned above, it didn't happen. I don't give a flying fuck that the man is black, but evidently others do... and got swept away with the whole "We're gunna have a BLACK Prez!" hysteria. The man had ONLY two years as a US Senator prior to his run for President. That was nowhere near enough time to have become "seasoned" enough to lead this great country of ours.

Is he intelligent? Yes.
Is he well meaning? Probably.
Is he an effective leader? No.

He relies too much on Wall Street to advise him on our current financial mess, and THEY'RE the people who created the whole fucking crash. Why he keeps listening to "advisors" like Geithner and Bernanke (both with long and deep, deep connections to Wall Street, is beyond comprehension.)

Here's an interesting article about Bernanke for those who don't really know how deep his ties to Wall Street are... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/ben-bernanke-wall-streets_b_683290.html

Geithner's ties to Wall Street are are so flagrant that I presume everyone knows about them

Yes, he is only "one arm" of the government and yes, he has to contend with a fractious Congress, but tell me, what did he get accomplished when he had control of both the Senate AND the House? Nothing that helped Main Street... which is exactly why those idiot Tea Baggers are in Congress now.

Meaning well carries no weight and no benefit, if not married to the ability to govern well.

He has shown that he is not the man for the job.

I know, I know, if not him then who? To that I have no answer. I may, for the first time in my adult life, just not vote in the upcoming Presidential election.
 
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I'm one of the few people in my state who supported and voted for Obama in the early elections. And, yes, I will vote for him again.
President Bush left President Obama two wars, a recession, and a country in heavy debt.
I cannot imagine voting for a Republican---they hate EVERYone who isn't white, wealthy, heterosexual, and Christian. I don't trust them.
 

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The man had ONLY two years as a US Senator prior to his run for President. That was nowhere near enough time to have become "seasoned" enough to lead this great country of ours.

I think we agree on more than we disagree. But there are a handful of things I'd like to point out-

Is governmental service really a qualification for anything other than continued governmental service? I'm fairly certain an ape with a typewriter would make a more effective member of Congress than most of the ones who are actually elected so what honest to god good does serving 25 years in the House or Senate really do except verse one in the art of bureaucracy (not overcoming it but how to get reelected in spite of not doing so)?

He relies too much on Wall Street to advise him on our current financial mess, and THEY'RE the people who created the whole fucking crash. Why he keeps listening to "advisors" like Geithner and Bernanke (both with long and deep, deep connections to Wall Street, is beyond comprehension.)

Here's an interesting article about Bernanke for those who don't really know how deep his ties to Wall Street are... Dean Baker: Ben Bernanke: Wall Street's Servant

Geithner's ties to Wall Street are are so flagrant that I presume everyone knows about them

It's more or less a given that if you didn't have ties to the shadowy wealth we all know runs this country before you were elected President, you certainly do afterward or you wouldn't have won. I think when phrases just that way most people would agree. Barack Obama's appointees ties with Wall Street are so much more palatable than the ties previous administrations have had.. but even if that weren't the case, I think it boils down to being very hard pressed to find a Presidential victor without some dubious ties somewhere. [/quote]

Yes, he is only "one arm" of the government and yes, he has to contend with a fractious Congress, but tell me, what did he get accomplished when he had control of both the Senate AND the House? Nothing that helped Main Street... which is exactly why those idiot Tea Baggers are in Congress now.


On this we completely agree. It was like watching two children play with a shiny red ball. The nice little boy tries to establish some friendly rules while he has the ball and he goes on at length to describe them just before he rolls the ball gently along the ground to the second little boy. The second little boy picks up the ball, laughs, and runs away with it.

The President's well meant intention to compromise and come to the table ready to negotiate with Republicans (rather than annihilate them) was taken a sign of weakness and they haven't let up since.

I know, I know, if not him then who? To that I have no answer. I may, for the first time in my adult life, just not vote in the upcoming Presidential election.

I can't not vote. If nothing else a ballot cast for Barack Obama could be read as a vote against the alternative and lets face it- President Bachmann is a nightmare I wouldn't wish on a local PTA let alone the United States. I'm not over the moon about the President's first term... but I'd rather that than under the bus during someone elses.





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I didn't vote for Obama in 2008 and the only way he'd get my vote in the future is with my cold, dead hand.




You say life is a right and I agree, but there is no way I will ever believe that the Democrats believe that life is a right, especially when they ardently support abortion. In fact, they feel so passionately about it, that they make me and a lot of other Americans pay for them and not only the ones here in America, but around the world. A little hard to enjoy liberty and the pursuit of happiness when you're dead.

I think a little correction is needed here. 1) NO Federal money is spent on Abortions! Also Democrats DO NOT support abortion. What they support is a woman's right to CHOOSE to have an abortion that is safe IF that is her choice! For all the blabberjab about Constitutional freedoms I hear from the Republicans and the evil government staying out of individual's personal lives -- it seems a bit of double speak to me that they would have the GOVERNMENT mandate 1) a woman's right to choose what to do with her own body and B) WHO I am permitted to fall in love with!
 
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