Did you "choose" to be gay?

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Remind me a pedophile who, after getting caught molesting several little girls, said that he wasn't really pedophilic because he couldn't get any "real satisfaction" from it (for whatever that means).

Red herring. The fact that it's "illegal behavior" doesn't mean that he, at times, isn't going through the motions. No, he may not get pure satisfaction from it on every single occasion. He may have been molested as a child, doing to others what was done to him as a child. This is complicated stuff.

Either me or you have no idea what arousal means

"Going through the motions" when you don't enjoy it. It happens a lot. I can have sex with people and never really enjoy it. But we continue doing what we don't always enjoy. Human mind is complicated.
 
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So basicaly, conversion therapy works if you go through it with a pure heart

?? Everyone is so paranoid about getting "converted". It's pretty pathetic if you ask me. It's like you don't even trust your own instincts. It's not about getting converted, it's about letting yourself experience true intimacy, even if it doesn't fit your "natural" preference at first.

It's no big deal really...well, unless you're some enormous homophobic dildo or something...that would really suck
 
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I'm 18 and gay, just came out and I this question has irked me since middle school. Did any of you actually choose to be gay? I'm not asking about whether or not you chose to come out or express youself as gay, I'm asking about whether or not you chose to be attracted to other men. It would boggle me if anyone would. I'm all for pride, but who would want to be a part of a minority struggling to fit in?

When I was a teen going through puberty...I didn't realize I had gay feelings. What I was taught in sex education, boys had feelings for women. Every summer...I would be waiting for these feelings for women to realize. Never received what my male peers got. I thought I was a heterosexual man who just didn't get his feelings. I found out that I already had sexual feelings but they were for men...only I didn't realize those feelings. When I realized that I was a gay man...I was okay with that...because it beat waiting on feelings for women that never came. I had crushes on all sorts of men. I didn't know any better. I didn't have a gay support group to go to. I didn't know about gay bars.


So, to answer the question...I didn't choose. I just went with my natural sexuality. I was happy knowing I was gay...maybe other people weren't happy with me being gay. When I was a teen...it was difficult. I definitely didn't have it like some heteros had it, then.
 
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Being bi is difficult too. I'm up for sexual fun with any sexuality or preference but emotionally I'm not attracted to men themselves enough to want more than a sexual relationship with them. This has caused problems in the past when people have mistaken my sexual interest for something deeper.

I have genuinely tried, but I am just not wired that way. Yet I can feel something for trangender women (former 'biological' men).

I found that going against type and pushing past preference boundaries doesn't really work for me once I'm past the wanton sex stage of a bisexual encounter.

Although they play on the same field I find that emotions are a different sport from sex altogether.

EDIT: I just realised this is in the 'Ask a Gay Man' subforum. I didn't mean to appear as if I was trolling. I'll delete if people want.
 
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The funny side effect was that "Straight guys" who would never have sex with another guy, were OK doing stuff with a guy wearing a bra and girly jeans. I ended up with very secret friends with benefits all through school who loved me dressed as a girl, but never ever mentioned anything about it otherwise. So that really pushed me further.

I'm in this exact same boat but I can admit I'm not 'straight'. Crosssdressers and transexuals are great fun, and I've recently had my first male/male fuck with a crossdresser. When I saw him in the morning with his wig, corset and stockings all on the floor however that little horniness dial in my mind slowly dialed back down to nought.

He still wanted to play but I just wasn't feeling it any more. I felt attraction to him as a woman but that just wasn't there when he wasn't.
 
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?? Everyone is so paranoid about getting "converted". It's pretty pathetic if you ask me. It's like you don't even trust your own instincts. It's not about getting converted, it's about letting yourself experience true intimacy, even if it doesn't fit your "natural" preference at first.

It's no big deal really...well, unless you're some enormous homophobic dildo or something...that would really suck
I don't like psychological torture, I don't approve worldviews that normalize it, specially considering the context. OP said he disliked being gay. Don't you see that recomending people to "try having sex with a girl" is a terrible, homophobic recomendation?
 
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@Haggard_Wisdom please don't, I really like this post. Honestly, I'm bisexual too. But everyone seems to think I'm gay because I was back in high school.

You identify as male in your sexual encounters, right? You currently define yourself as mainstream bi? Are you more into men or women romantically? Or you just like what you like at a given moment?

I discovered that I like trans men (female-to-male transsexuals), but have 0 interest in shemales. I was ashamed of it for a while. But. when you get a bit older, you're like: I don't give a $#$@#$#%^. I like what I like, and it's legal. My sexuality is no one's business but my own.

You always have been one of my fav. posters. Seriously.
 
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I've had sex with someone I wasn't attracted to (as part of a threesome that I was talked into) and I did the job, physically (I penetrated him and finished on his face). I think he enjoyed it but I certainly didn't. I try to trust my instincts since that experience and only have sex with people I'm attracted to. For a start I am short changing them if my heart is not in it. Not ever having being sexually attracted to a woman, I think trying sex with one would have a similar feeling of going through the motions and getting nothing out of it, and feeling a bit sick at myself.
 

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I didn't choose. I remember loving Erik Estrada from CHiPs at an early age. I chose to be in the closet and dated women. Fast forward to my mid 20s, I came out. I used to comment I would have chosen to be straight & "normal"... now I'm just happy being me. And I'm a normal guy. Sexuality is so personal. You have to live a happy life, whether it's gay, straight or bi. At the end of the day, nobody cares, at least not anyone that should be in your life!
 

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You would be surprised how little consideration they can have even with a LGBT relative. Check out Sarah Schulman book "Ties That Bind: Familial Homophobia and Its Consequences". Here's a short video that pretty much sums it up:

I agree with what Schulman says. However, I'd expand it to include other kinds of inherent difference. I've seen (presumably) straight family members respond to gay members much as they would to a family member who has autism. Whether gay or autistic, the difference is a burden the "normal" members need to "carry", "tolerate", "make allowances for", "handle", etc. I think this behaviour is simply a socially acceptable way of making oneself feel superior by putting another person down. I.e. It's a more polished and polite version of the aggression Schulman discussed. It's just as angry and aggressive; it's just softer and at a lower volume.

In some ways I was lucky in the way things turned out. When "he" fell into my lap I was already financially secure, newly single, and had already made a decision to live my life for me and try new things. If I hadn't already had all that in place, I don't think I'd've come up with the idea of kissing "him" when I was asking myself, "How can I shut him up, shock the shit out of him, AND wipe that smirk off his face?"

The funniest thing about it was that I had no notion of anything "gay" going through my head when I kissed him. Obviously, that changed in about 5 seconds when I realized I was having BY FAR the best kiss of my life. My next thought was something like, "If this is kissing while fully clothed, what's actual sex like?"

It wasn't until a couple of weeks (and much experimenting) later that it occurred to me I was supposed to be having some kind of crisis or panic over being gay....... but it never happened, lol.
 

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I agree with what Schulman says. However, I'd expand it to include other kinds of inherent difference. I've seen (presumably) straight family members respond to gay members much as they would to a family member who has autism. Whether gay or autistic, the difference is a burden the "normal" members need to "carry", "tolerate", "make allowances for", "handle", etc. I think this behaviour is simply a socially acceptable way of making oneself feel superior by putting another person down. I.e. It's a more polished and polite version of the aggression Schulman discussed. It's just as angry and aggressive; it's just softer and at a lower volume.
You reminded me of when all straight liberals were kissing the pope's balls for making "baby-steps" because he made that weak ass comment "who am I to judge?", even though he called us a satanic plot against god's designed nature of humanity. Or when GOP politicians held a pride flag while their platform calls for maintaining conversion therapy, and we are to laud them because they are "evolving".
They don't really eliminate their sense of superiority and feeling of power over gay people on those more "sophisticated" forms of homophobia. They really think they are making us a favor. And on top of that, they think they are more "enlighted" than the ragging homophobes...
 

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You reminded me of when all straight liberals were kissing the pope's balls for making "baby-steps" because he made that weak ass comment "who am I to judge?", even though he called us a satanic plot against god's designed nature of humanity. Or when GOP politicians held a pride flag while their platform calls for maintaining conversion therapy, and we are to laud them because they are "evolving".
They don't really eliminate their sense of superiority and feeling of power over gay people on those more "sophisticated" forms of homophobia. They really think they are making us a favor. And on top of that, they think they are more "enlighted" than the ragging homophobes...

That's a vulgar attitude isn't it, but I think you're right. I'm not sure there is much you can do about people like that other than pity them.
 
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You reminded me of when all straight liberals were kissing the pope's balls for making "baby-steps" because he made that weak ass comment "who am I to judge?", even though he called us a satanic plot against god's designed nature of humanity. Or when GOP politicians held a pride flag while their platform calls for maintaining conversion therapy, and we are to laud them because they are "evolving".
They don't really eliminate their sense of superiority and feeling of power over gay people on those more "sophisticated" forms of homophobia. They really think they are making us a favor. And on top of that, they think they are more "enlighted" than the ragging homophobes...

You know the saying "A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step" ? The people you talk about make a few steps and are treated as if they've gone a few hundred miles. You're right.
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"They don't really eliminate their sense of superiority and feeling of power over gay people on those more "sophisticated" forms of homophobia."

Exactly, and if they figure out that they have failed to fool us, they treat us as if we've attacked them when really they've attacked us. Maddening!
 

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That's a vulgar attitude isn't it, but I think you're right. I'm not sure there is much you can do about people like that other than pity them.

I agree. People like that do NOT change. They must be coerced. Period. If there's no way to coerce them to behave properly, they must be removed. If they cannot be removed then we must remove ourselves and remember that we will be better off without them in the long run.