Direct Contact (Golden Play)

[ScorpioSlut]

he was ground breaking f'sure,
but so many of his theories have been debunked.
and the guy was sex obsessed!

There is no denying that fact. Psychology as a whole sort of owes itself to him but as you said....he has been debunked on many occasions and his theories that haven't been debunked have been hugely modified to fit with contemporary psychology. Therefore her basing her entire argument on Freud is funny.

 

[BlackHoleFun]

so i am a troll if i do not agree with you?

i just wanted to talk to eternal sunshine about golden play.

 

[dolfette]

There is no denying that fact. Psychology as a whole sort of owes itself to him but as you said....he has been debunked on many occasions and his theories that haven't been debunked have been hugely modified to fit with contemporary psychology. Therefore her basing her entire argument on Freud is funny.

he's perhaps the most debunked doctor in history.
and his views on female sexuality...what can you say?

 

[BlackHoleFun]

There is no denying that fact. Psychology as a whole sort of owes itself to him but as you said....he has been debunked on many occasions and his theories that haven't been debunked have been hugely modified to fit with contemporary psychology. Therefore her basing her entire argument on Freud is funny.

i can throw some stuff from C Jung at you pertaining to THE exact same thing.

however i assume you are ignorant of the anima animus...shadow,or any
of his other concepts.

 

[dolfette]

jung was bbf with freud and slept with female patients.

got any shrinks that are still breathing?

 

[EternalCaverns]

got any proof?

is it about dominance?
does it being unusual and oft disaproved of add levels of intimacy and trust?
does it have the same dynamics when you do it as when your guy does it?
and how did you get into it in the first place?

No no issue of dominance or submission (including humiliation) involved. That doesn't play a factor for me. It's about sharing, kink, variation, intimacy and trust.

Maybe for some others it is about submission and dominance as some people will make others drink pee or get pissed on as a form of "punishment" in BDSM role-playing.

I don't consider myself a die hard golden participant so I don't need it to enjoy sexual intimacy or to get off and it's not a primary focus. It's just simply another area of sexual play for me that's open, to some degree, for exploration and fun; something that's been an open interest since very young, even before I knew anything about the arena of "golden play". I think the very first thing I recognized earlier on is having an attraction to seeing boys pee.

Later on, if I found a partner who was open to exploring this area, then that was great. If not, we just did other things as usual. I know not everyone is into this and that's fine.

I just figured it was my own extra thing when I was younger. I didn't begin exploring the -subject- of water sports until I was older as I am a very curious person period and figured others must be into some aspects of it. So I had some fun times occasionally browsing various sites (online), forums (online) and books.

When it comes to golden, I am more of what I call a "golden voyeur" if that makes any sense. Wetting can be fun but I find it more arousing to -see- someone pee in an erotic context.

As for sex during menstruation, it's not done all the time, but when it does happen, yes I do consider it intimate because menstruation tends to be a private experience for most women and men usually have no place in it. So when a man cares not about being with his partner during such a sensitive and private time, it shows, to me, a greater sense of intimacy in most cases, which to me, is attractive on that merit. The man is not bothered by what comes from my body in -that- context. Again this doesn't apply to everything because I am not into scat and such.

 

[BlackHoleFun]

oh you mean the ones that create repressed people like yourself?

 

[Principessa]

uke: I have no interest in this whatsoever. :yuck: As far as I am concerned both urine and poop belong in the toilet; and not the bedroom.

 

[EternalCaverns]

We need to get back on the subject at hand. I was interested in hearing more about experiences rather than the psychology behind whether or not golden play is a bona fide fetish or the history of the lives of famous psychiatrists/neurologists and psychological schools of thought.

Fascinating as I am into all that stuff and would love to see a thread on this -somewhere-, but not a focus of this thread especially since there just seems to be arguing at this point.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the questions (curiosity) I've responded to however.

 

[dolfette]

When it comes to golden, I am more of what I call a "golden voyeur" if that makes any sense. Wetting can be fun but I find it more arousing to -see- someone pee in an erotic context.

As for sex during menstruation, it's not done all the time, but when it does happen, yes I do consider it intimate because menstruation tends to be a private experience for most women and men usually have no place in it. So when a man cares not about being with his partner during such a sensitive and private time, it shows, to me, a greater sense of intimacy in most cases, which to me, is attractive on that merit. The man is not bothered by what comes from my body in -that- context. Again this doesn't apply to everything because I am not into scat and such.

ahhh, i see.
with my first lover i recall a degree of fascination with watching...holding it for him etc. mostly because it was novel to me. everything about a penis was new & exciting for a while.
but for me the interest faded after a short time.

i can see how it has much in common with menstrual sex.
...something i have tried but find painful and very messy.

so would you say you're an intimacy junky?

 

[ScorpioSlut]

jung was bbf with freud and slept with female patients.

got any shrinks that are still breathing?

Ahahaha....just what I was about to say. But what do I know? I've only read 2 of Jung's works in their entirety. That's not nearly enough to make me the expert she is. FWIT Jung has also been moved to the English department for study. Not that he's no longer influential or important in psychology.

 

[EternalCaverns]

ahhh, i see.
with my first lover i recall a degree of fascination with watching...holding it for him etc. mostly because it was novel to me. everything about a penis was new & exciting for a while.
but for me the interest faded after a short time.

i can see how it has much in common with menstrual sex.
...something i have tried but find painful and very messy.

so would you say you're an intimacy junky?

Maybe on some level. LOL

I tend to be an intense person so anytime there's a chance to form some kind of intimacy with someone I like or feel a connection with, even in basic friendship, that lures me in. I really enjoy getting to the core so to speak.

I like when people are authentic and I enjoy moments when people truly and deeply connect with one another. I don't know if those moments happen as much as people think they do. I would wager that they don't. How can one connect with another person if they haven't initially connected with themselves deeply enough, so that means that each connection is doomed to be quite limited with others and we each just connect with projected "avatars" of one another. That's my thinking.

A bit too metaphysical for this thread (LOL) but it does relate to sexuality too and sexual attraction.

I remember seeing the film Emmanuelle (1974, Sylvia Kristel) for the first time. That movie to me was about transforming and letting go by exploring taboo on some level but it also made a statement about sexual experience being, in some cases, "spiritual", and spiritual could for some just mean connecting to the true spirit of others during contact. This might mean exploring sex acts that are often off limits or involve factors or body parts/processes that are usually private and "vulnerable" in admission.

Now that I think about it...I guess submission does play a role to some degree. It plays a role in that people are willing to submit to vulnerability in their ability to trust their partners in some sex acts that would normally be judged, scoffed at or involve the body in ways that are often hidden. Again, not submission in the role of being dominated or things being unequal. I have nothing against that but submission in this case is different. It actually requires both people to submit.

 

[dolfette]

submitting to the emotion rather than to a dominant...

ok i think i get it now. tyvm, love.

 

[Opalite]

Hmm. For my, and the OP's, understanding of the complexities of pee - at what point, for a man, does the urine become contaminated? And, if contaminated in the early stages of the stream, as the stream continues does it then become sterile again?

The urine will only be sterile when it's in the blather, as soon as it enters the urethra it will be contaminated and will stay that way, no matter the stream. I'm a bodypiercer, and I get A LOT of men and ladies cleaning their private bits with (sometimes old, saved up - sometimes even a parner's) urine, because their friends told them it's sterile.. which it can be, untill you pee! It's not as harmfull as feces, but I just wouldn't call it sterile or even clean. But then again - not that I'm a fan of golden play! - sex doesn't always have to be that clean now, does it. :smile:

 

[EternalCaverns]

The urine will only be sterile when it's in the blather, as soon as it enters the urethra it will be contaminated and will stay that way, no matter the stream. I'm a bodypiercer, and I get A LOT of men and ladies cleaning their private bits with (sometimes old, saved up - sometimes even a parner's) urine, because their friends told them it's sterile.. which it can be, untill you pee! It's not as harmfull as feces, but I just wouldn't call it sterile or even clean. But then again - not that I'm a fan of golden play! - sex doesn't always have to be that clean now, does it. :smile:

Then women must have less sterile urine by the time it exits the urethra compared to men who can pee a direct and clean stream from the slit of their glans without it touching anything else. (Uncut men)

For women, the pee has to pass through labia and touch other parts of the vulva including any pubic hair that might be nearby if she's unshaven or untrimmed.

Interesting.

 

[ScorpioSlut]

It really has less to do with the directness of the stream and what it touches and more to do with its exposure to air. Once exposed to air urine becomes less and less sterile by the minute and degrades relatively quickly. Not to be gross but if you pissed in a cup it would be ok and essentially odorless at first....the longer you let it sit there the worse it will stink and the more the bacteria start to multiply.

 

[EternalCaverns]

It really has less to do with the directness of the stream and what it touches and more to do with its exposure to air. Once exposed to air urine becomes less and less sterile by the minute and degrades relatively quickly. Not to be gross but if you pissed in a cup it would be ok and essentially odorless at first....the longer you let it sit there the worse it will stink and the more the bacteria start to multiply.

I would think this is similar (somewhat) to what happens with a cup of water that's left to sit for some time in a room or any other liquid for that matter which is why I don't drink a cup of water sitting on my desk from the day before...although water doesn't begin to stink the way urine does over time due to its different composition.

I think this would only present a legit problem if, let's say, someone enjoyed being pissed on and kept on the soiled clothing all day long or for long periods. I know there are some that involve this in golden play, although it's not that much an attraction for me personally; to keep soiled clothes on for a long while just for erotic purposes.

It's more about the immediate act.

 

[Opalite]

Air isn't the biggest problem, the urethra itself is. As soon as it touches it, it's not sterile anymore (there's no such thing as 'less sterile', it is or it isn't - it can be less contaminated though). The air just makes the bacteria grow faster, mainly. But I don't think that should be too much of an issue, sweat isn't what you'd call 'clean' eather.

 

[ScorpioSlut]

Air isn't the biggest problem, the urethra itself is. As soon as it touches it, it's not sterile anymore (there's no such thing as 'less sterile', it is or it isn't - it can be less contaminated though). The air just makes the bacteria grow faster, mainly. But I don't think that should be too much of an issue, sweat isn't what you'd call 'clean' eather.

Actually it's the combination of the urethra and the air. The harmful bacteria come from the urethra and are quickly multiplied in the urine once it comes into contact with the air. The type of bacteria found in urine are generally much more harmful than those found in sweat hence the problems of UTIs. I'm fairly certain that it would be much more difficult for someone to encounter a problem from being bathed in sweat.

 

[Opalite]

You're right. But I was more so refering to it not being sterile - seeing nothing about sex is.