Dislike being gay

[AlteredEgo]

A black person grows up with black parents, having no doubts about what it means to be black and having no way of deluding himself he could be something other than black. He will have to face institutional racism from society, but in the smallest social institution, he will face no such thing. Of course it doesn't make sense a black person lamenting he have been born black, but what is the parallel here?

You're not related to any light-skinned blacks and Latinos in denial, are you? LOL

 

[deleted1048037]

Could you explain what inherent mean's to you, and how the nature of sexuality is incongruous with that.

Inherent means - genes, characteristics and environmental impacts from my point of view.

 

[AlteredEgo]

Inherent means - genes, characteristics and environmental impacts from my point of view.

Oh. You don't know what inherent means. That explains it.

Inherent:

1. existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute; inhering: an inherent distrust of strangers.
2. Grammar. standing before a noun.

 

[deleted1048037]

By the looks of it, neither did you, copying and pasting it from another site...

 

[deleted1048037]

Oh. You don't know what inherent means. That explains it.

Inherent:

1. existing in someone or something as a permanent and inseparable element, quality, or attribute; inhering: an inherent distrust of strangers.
2. Grammar. standing before a noun.

By the looks of it, neither did you, copying and pasting it from another site...

 

[AlteredEgo]

By the looks of it, neither did you, copying and pasting it from another site...

I copied out of the dictionary, which is customary for giving someone an accurate definition. You used the word 'inherent' incorrectly, and it got pointed out. Don't be a baby about it. Own your error, and use the correction to improve future communication.

 

[701757]

Am I really the only one like this?????

Yeah you're the only gay person ever.

 

[deleted1048037]

I copied out of the dictionary, which is customary for giving someone an accurate definition. You used the word 'inherent' incorrectly, and it got pointed out. Don't be a baby about it. Own your error, and use the correction to improve future communication.

I don't believe you because I found the exact same thing on a web page meaning you copied and pasted it. If your gonna try and pick holes in someones argument I suggest you come up with better arguments, instead of creating one where your going to lose. Also, what was the point of you even asking what inherent means? I mean clearly you didn't know what it meant and was it an attempt to ruin my argument about being gay in the event that I answered your question about inherent wrong by not typing it the exact same way as Wikipedia for example? Fuck of mate, not arguing with someone is wrong. It's a waste of my time.

 

[AlteredEgo]

I don't believe you because I found the exact same thing on a web page meaning you copied and pasted it. If your gonna try and pick holes in someones argument I suggest you come up with better arguments, instead of creating one where your going to lose. Also, what was the point of you even asking what inherent means? I mean clearly you didn't know what it meant and was it an attempt to ruin my argument about being gay in the event that I answered your question about inherent wrong by not typing it the exact same way as Wikipedia for example? Fuck of mate, not arguing with someone is wrong. It's a waste of my time.

You really are special.

That is a screen cap from the dictionary I copied from, as is customary when correcting misuse of a word. Obviously, I completely understood enough to know that your use of the word did not make sense in context. Rather than assume you misused it, I asked a question, to see if the problem was my own understanding. Having read your completely incorrect definition, I was able to see that the communication error was yours, and offer assistance. I did it not just for you, but for the others who also seemed to be unable to understand why you kept insisting that homosexuality is not inherent (the alternative being that homosexuality is a choice, a notion with which most in this community wholeheartedly disagree). You said that inherent was genetic, which is not altogether, incorrect, but you also said it was environmental, which is about as far from the concept of inherent as one can get.

So, now armed with the knowledge that something inherent to a person is a natural part of that person, not from outside influence, but rather inalienable (not separable) from them as a being, do you still feel that homosexuality is not inherent to a homosexual?

 

[deleted1048037]

You really are special. View attachment 626647
That is a screen cap from the dictionary I copied from, as is customary when correcting misuse of a word. Obviously, I completely understood enough to know that your use of the word did not make sense in context. Rather than assume you misused it, I asked a question, to see if the problem was my own understanding. Having read your completely incorrect definition, I was able to see that the communication error was yours, and offer assistance. I did it not just for you, but for the others who also seemed to be unable to understand why you kept insisting that homosexuality is not inherent (the alternative being that homosexuality is a choice, a notion with which most in this community wholeheartedly disagree). You said that inherent was genetic, which is not altogether, incorrect, but you also said it was environmental, which is about as far from the concept of inherent as one can get.

So, now armed with the knowledge that something inherent to a person is a natural part of that person, not from outside influence, but rather inalienable (not separable) from them as a being, do you still feel that homosexuality is not inherent to a homosexual?

oooh resorting to name calling. How adult are you! Also, you have just found that on an article i found yesterday, when you tried to pass off that you knew what inherent means, so you haven't proved that you knew this before you posted this. Also, saying homosexuality is inherent is wrong. We are all born into situations that determine who we are. Life factors can change our own personal life decisions and tastes. You can't be born gay because someone in your family was gay because that has never ever been proven. Ever! Also, environmental impacts can include what happens around you. Such as, media, radio, magazines, role models, fashion, parents, siblings, and even others who inspire yo or even your friends. It doesn't just mean what kind of conditions you live in. All these factors contribute to someone maybe being gay. So, you need to pick better arguments mate.

 

[KennF]

Are you two really disagreeing over whether "inherent" was used correctly; and; whether or not one, or both, of you knew the proper usage before, during or after the post?

 

[Phil Ayesho]

Inherent means - genes, characteristics and environmental impacts from my point of view.

Wait- so you are suggesting that you do not believe sexuality is inherent because you do not believe there is any genetic component involved?


Okay- but the current theory is that homosexuality is not a genetic trait- but a DEVELOPMENTAL one- that is, a change in the expression of genes as dictated thru epigenetic effects, either on the zygote, or thru changes in the environmental conditions in the womb to which the zygote is exposed.

If true, that, too, would make homosexuality inherent.


Even if you think that homosexuality is a pure choice- the very fact that human sexuality is fluid enough to allow such a choice would have to be an inherent quality of human sexuality.



By the same token... just because you have a craving or drive that might be inherent- as in people who are particularly susceptible to addiction- that does not mean you HAVE to indulge that craving. You CAN choose to not engage in sex at all. You won't wither and die without it.
But the fact that you can choose to NOT do something you feel drawn to is not evidence that that yearning is not inherent.


Next up- if you believe sexuality is not inherent- does that render you an Adherent to other conservative beliefs?

 

[deleted1048037]

Wait- so you are suggesting that you do not believe sexuality is inherent because you do not believe there is any genetic component involved?


Okay- but the current theory is that homosexuality is not a genetic trait- but a DEVELOPMENTAL one- that is, a change in the expression of genes as dictated thru epigenetic effects, either on the zygote, or thru changes in the environmental conditions in the womb to which the zygote is exposed.

If true, that, too, would make homosexuality inherent.


Even if you think that homosexuality is a pure choice- the very fact that human sexuality is fluid enough to allow such a choice would have to be an inherent quality of human sexuality.



By the same token... just because you have a craving or drive that might be inherent- as in people who are particularly susceptible to addiction- that does not mean you HAVE to indulge that craving. You CAN choose to not engage in sex at all. You won't wither and die without it.
But the fact that you can choose to NOT do something you feel drawn to is not evidence that that yearning is not inherent.


Next up- if you believe sexuality is not inherent- does that render you an Adherent to other conservative beliefs?

Well, I understand what your saying, however, this is where I admit that I don't have all the answers but I try to get my opinion across to others in a way they can easily understand and my opinion is not only based on the facts that are full proof at the moment but my opinion includes simple human rights and equality. I understand that sexuality can be determined by many different factors, as I explained before, and I understand that these factors can also persuade someone to prefer one gender to the other sexually, which I suppose you could call inherent, to some level. In some ways my point earlier was too strict, by saying that it isn't inherent, now that I rethought after what you have stated. However, I don't believe at all, that sexuality is inherent in most cases. I believe that most of the decisions that we make are INFLUENCED, is the word I would use on the topic of sexuality, because sexuality isn't born into you via genes and it doesn't come from where your born exactly. As we grow up, we are susceptible to a lot of things that make us unique and different to other human beings, such as personal experiences, which influence us to react to certain things. For example, a straight man who was convinced he was straight, has a first encounter with a woman and finds he is not sexually attracted to her in the way he had originally thought. This can make him then rethink and think he's gay. Then, realizing this, he tries a first encounter with a man and likes it. Most people yes, can be attracted to someone of the same sex before the sexual encounter, but even that can be because of influences such as the rising interest in homosexuality for example. It has been made such a big deal of, that people try it out of interest or want to try it out, purely out of interest. I have also, explained why being with someone of the same gender might be as popular as it is. That is influence not necessarily inheriting it. Inherent, is more or less, your born and your born into your ways. That's a simple way of trying to explain my point. I would say it's 90% influence, 10% inherent, if that. Also, I have accepted someone else's opinion and I have even changed my mind a little cause I like to hear other peoples opinions. I am very open minded, however, on this topic, I am far from wrong! No one person has ALL the answers, so for some people to think they have ALL the answers when it comes to sexuality, unfortunately, your gonna be very disappointed! And if your narrow minded, your gonna be very frustrated!

 

[mako shark]

The first issue I see is trying to "identify" with a group. In my opinion you should try both guys and girls (using protection of course) and only then will you likely know for sure... Saying you are "probably gay" makes me laugh...good luck

Hope no one gets offended reading this, but it's my honest opinion. I know this sounds dumb, but I can't stand the fact that I'm "probably" gay. The reason I say this is because I'm still a virgin and have done nothing with no one. Ya, 24 year old man and have done nothing. I will remain in the closet for the rest of my life. I am totally ashamed of it. It just seems disgusting. I know that I think about it constantly, but would never do anything with another man. I honestly can't stand the whole gay "thing." Especially when men talk feminine. For crying out loud I'm a staunch republican and was disgusted when gay marriage became legal in the us. I live in rural red state where I am a avid hunter and fisher. I guess it just really bothers me cuz I tell you my background and you would not expect someone like that to be gay. I feel alone and trapped sometimes like I'm the only one like this. Am I really the only one like this????? I hate how my friends are trying to get me on those online dating sites. I'm 24 years old a virgin and NEVER had a girlfriend. Do they not get it? Once again I would never come out just cuz I'm in denial and ashamed m. I hate thinking about the future and knowing I'll probably die alone in a hospital bed. It's not that I don't like woeman but lean towards liking men 70-30. & I'll admit I would do an mfm with my best friend who's a guy and a hot chick. So I don't feel 100% gay. And no I'm not about to move because that would just make things worse for me unfortunately.

 

[umdoistressilvaquatro]

The first issue I see is trying to "identify" with a group. In my opinion you should try both guys and girls (using protection of course) and only then will you likely know for sure... Saying you are "probably gay" makes me laugh...good luck

How do you even "try" people if you are not already attracted? That's what sexual orientation means, the genders you are capable of being attracted to. There is not reason to "try" anyone to discover your sexual orientation.

 

[mako shark]

I'm a believer in "try it you might like it" and that is likely a generational thing... Not only have I not been "attracted" to more than just a few partners but it became pretty obvious to me very early on that I had little interest in certain pairings. Send me a PM if you want more information....

How do you even "try" people if you are not already attracted? That's what sexual orientation means, the genders you are capable of being attracted to. There is not reason to "try" anyone to discover your sexual orientation.

 

[deleted1048037]

Are you two really disagreeing over whether "inherent" was used correctly; and; whether or not one, or both, of you knew the proper usage before, during or after the post?

Well yeah...how clever of you to read our conversation, understand it and then make a sarcastic comment. Bravo!

 

[1059386]

Hope no one gets offended reading this, but it's my honest opinion. I know this sounds dumb, but I can't stand the fact that I'm "probably" gay. The reason I say this is because I'm still a virgin and have done nothing with no one. Ya, 24 year old man and have done nothing. I will remain in the closet for the rest of my life. I am totally ashamed of it. It just seems disgusting. I know that I think about it constantly, but would never do anything with another man. I honestly can't stand the whole gay "thing." Especially when men talk feminine. For crying out loud I'm a staunch republican and was disgusted when gay marriage became legal in the us. I live in rural red state where I am a avid hunter and fisher. I guess it just really bothers me cuz I tell you my background and you would not expect someone like that to be gay. I feel alone and trapped sometimes like I'm the only one like this. Am I really the only one like this????? I hate how my friends are trying to get me on those online dating sites. I'm 24 years old a virgin and NEVER had a girlfriend. Do they not get it? Once again I would never come out just cuz I'm in denial and ashamed m. I hate thinking about the future and knowing I'll probably die alone in a hospital bed. It's not that I don't like woeman but lean towards liking men 70-30. & I'll admit I would do an mfm with my best friend who's a guy and a hot chick. So I don't feel 100% gay. And no I'm not about to move because that would just make things worse for me unfortunately.

Man, I can understand for the most part. I like to fish, shoot, want to pick up hunting and cant find a guy who does. Especialy a cute one. Not with all that girly stuff. I am a dude who like dudes.

 

[rtg]

Hope no one gets offended reading this, but it's my honest opinion. I know this sounds dumb, but I can't stand the fact that I'm "probably" gay. The reason I say this is because I'm still a virgin and have done nothing with no one. Ya, 24 year old man and have done nothing. I will remain in the closet for the rest of my life. I am totally ashamed of it. It just seems disgusting. I know that I think about it constantly, but would never do anything with another man. I honestly can't stand the whole gay "thing." Especially when men talk feminine. For crying out loud I'm a staunch republican and was disgusted when gay marriage became legal in the us. I live in rural red state where I am a avid hunter and fisher. I guess it just really bothers me cuz I tell you my background and you would not expect someone like that to be gay. I feel alone and trapped sometimes like I'm the only one like this. Am I really the only one like this????? I hate how my friends are trying to get me on those online dating sites. I'm 24 years old a virgin and NEVER had a girlfriend. Do they not get it? Once again I would never come out just cuz I'm in denial and ashamed m. I hate thinking about the future and knowing I'll probably die alone in a hospital bed. It's not that I don't like woeman but lean towards liking men 70-30. & I'll admit I would do an mfm with my best friend who's a guy and a hot chick. So I don't feel 100% gay. And no I'm not about to move because that would just make things worse for me unfortunately.

Don't put yourself in stereotypes.... there's plenty of gay and bisexual men who are manly. A large portion of men who like men do NOT act feminine.

But I can't imagine how tough it would be so I'm not going to act like I understand. Would your friends and family really judge you that much if you told them? Maybe you just need to meet some other men like yourself? Not for hookups, but just for support so that you can feel comfortable with yourself. There's nothing to be ashamed of.