do any of you ladies preffer or dislike uncut men?

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wesleysh21: This conversation is always interesting. I'll just say this for cut men. The next time you are getting ready to masterbate, and you reach for the ol' vasoline, just take a second the think about how "natural" that is.

Most medical information is completely contradictory as it pertains to cut vs. uncut. I believe this to be because there really are few medical benefits to either. Most info is bogus because of the disproportionate percentages of men who are cut vs. uncut along racial lines. Most disease info can really be broke down to a larger portion being amongst black americans (who are much less likely to be cut). Black americans have a larger rate of STDs as they are poorer and are more sexually active as a whole. Even our dorks get laid (I say our because I'm black), while white dorks are just dorks. Blacks also have a larger rate of high blood pressure. I bet any doctor that wants to get his shits and giggles can correlate being uncircumsized with having high blood pressure.

Studies are so pointless when they involve looking at the population and computing figures. There will always be fuel for both fires until someone actually does REAL RESEARCH and finds MEDICAL PROOF for such findings. Otherwise, I will concur with those that agree that a little bit of skin (having it or not having it) can't correlate directly to what its being reported as.

 

[jonb]

[quote author=roedhunt link=board=women;num=1068924688;start=20#39 date=01/06/04 at 21:27:04]Man, Jonb..I have GOT to meet you! hahah Once again, you have read my mind. The media has brain-washed Americans (and others) into believing what is "right and acceptical" vs what's real and the truth.

Why is it allowed for parents to amputate the foreskin of their sons and not the clitoris hood that basically does the same thing? Smegma builds up under the hood too. But unlike male child, girls/women are not told about this, nor how to clean it......<sigh>[/quote]
Well, in the old days of 'onanopathies', they burned off the clitoris with carbolic acid. (I think they just outdid clitoridectomy in barbarism.)

The media's tricks re: circumcision are less obvious. Seinfeld was fond of making jokes about circumcision, including a CATHOLIC ritual circumcision. (Now, every the Catholics had the winning bid on every reservation in South Dakota, and my mother's Catholic, but I've NEVER heard of ritual circumcision.) LOL

 

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roedhunt: Once again you are correct, Jonb. I was raised in South Dakota (a great place to live ;D) and years ago, whites and indians did not have any type of relationships... including friendships. Over half of my best friends were Sioux (they prefered the name Lakota over Sioux) and Crow. Drooling over the dark long hair men for years, I couldnt wait til it was "allowed". When I returned 10 years later, it became acceptable. The first 5 men I dated were indian. Not all was Lakota, but only one of them was circumcised. Each was very adament in their belief of it as well as being a full-blooded indian (no hair). ;D

So, to answer the original question-

"do any of you ladies prefer or dislike uncut men?"

I honestly believe it is how we were raised, our culture, and our surroundings that makes our decision.

I, fortuately, was blessed to be exposed to the "other type" and to have an open mind.... ;D

 

[jonb]

Well, I was discussing Catholicism in particular. My mother's Catholic, and I've never heard of ritual circumcision, except for in the context of January 1. But you're right; we don't do it. I guess one special reason is Lakota ideas about modesty: No men are to be present during birth or menstruation (and the corollary is, no women are to be present during particular male bodily functions).

I agree that it's cultural. Everyone, before you sign that paper, remember that Osama bin Laden is circumcised.

 

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TechnoTed: You know, I am disappointed with the ingratitude to their parents by some of those circumcised, calling circumcision barbarism or mutilation. That is emotional, irrational nonsense, pure and simple, as if their folks were some sort of monsters. Sad! Very sad. :'(
They don't have any idea of the loving decision made by their folks after considering the pros and cons of circumcision. They gladly would have sacrificed everything to give their baby boys (and girls) the very best chance for health and success in every way including their relationships with their wives and lovers. (Just as you do with your kids).
I have previously presented medical facts and studies, but I rest my case on this:
Testimony from many adults who have lived with a foreskin while having active sex lives for years and decided to be circumcised rave about the benefits of being cut; such as increased sensitivity and more frequent sex, including oral ecstasy. (Perhaps attractive appearance and no foul smell has it's rewards...?) ???
So reports and studies aside, testimony from those that have experienced both has to be the bottom line.
As for me, I will be forever thankful for my folk's caring, loving parenting for my brother and I, including their decision to provide circumcision.
BTW: For you ladies that would like to enhance your lover's natural great erection, allowing him to keep a hard-on even after ejaculation, get him a small professional cockring, even if he is large, like 2" thick or more. The only one I recommend is a small, high-tension ring made by Osbon (a medical supplier) and can be ordered by calling 1-866-240-8071. (Note: They like to call them 'Tension-rings :)

(Don't even consider getting one from a porn shop).
Good Times.

 

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Tender: [quote author=TechnoTed link=board=women;num=1068924688;start=40#44 date=01/09/04 at 01:02:05]

They don't have any idea of the loving decision made by their folks after considering the pros and cons of circumcision.[/quote]


loving eh?
taking a part of someone ELSES body without their permission? you know it CAN be done when the boy is old enough to decide for himself if he wants it.

no, its not love,
its tradition.
they are just taught that that is the thing to do and when the nurse brings them out a stack of papers to sign, that is just right along with it. they dont wiegh any pros and cons, they just think they are supposed to do it. its called ignorance.

Tender

 

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gicast: Tender, I think you should relax.....deep breath in, deep breath out......Better?

When I was pregnant (we didn't know the sex) I agonized about the decision, I did not want to hurt my baby, but I did want to have a boy circumsized. I'll say that I'm glad I had a girl and the decision was moot!

But that aside, why should you care if someone ELSE wants to do that to their baby? No one is forcing you to like the idea or force your son to have it, right? Let's let TechnoTed be happy that he's circumsized and would EVEN DO IT AS AN ADULT. Everyone has an opinion.
But it was NOT ignorance on my part that would have made me decide if I had had a son.

I'm not trying to debate here. I just recognize that other's have a right to decide, just as you have the right to decide not to have it done.

 

[benderten2001]

[quote author=TechnoTed link=board=women;num=1068924688;start=40#44 date=01/09/04 at 01:02:05]

"You know, I am disappointed with the ingratitude to their parents by some of those circumcised, calling circumcision barbarism or mutilation. That is emotional, irrational nonsense, pure and simple, as if their folks were some sort of monsters. Sad! Very sad. :'( "

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TechnoTed, thank you for your insight.

But in defense of myself (and, perhaps others) I feel the need to qualify my thoughts just a bit further.

While indeed it does seem extreme for "cut" men to lash out against our parents for the decision to have us circumcised, it does not imply (for most of us at least) that we hate our parents or will write them out of our lives. In all fairness to them (particularly parents up until say, the mid 1970's or so) I don't believe sufficient information was "out there" to educate and inform mothers and dads about circumcision.
Times have changed.

I'm almost fifty and only a few years ago, I had a conversation with my mother as to "why" she made the decision she did to get me whacked. Yes, it was ackward to enter into, but it was indeed an enlightening discussion (btw, my father is deceased--no way could I get him into all this and he would most likely would have died even earlier had I mentioned anything the least bit sexual!) My mother told me all the typical "hype" she recalled from the MD...."more healthy, easier to keep clean, ALL boys had it done, etc."
...yada, yada, yada. And so.....(I can almost hear it, now---) SNIP-SNIP-SNIP (cry, cry, cry!)
Yes, that decision to have it done was made by loving parents intent only to do what was best for me...(they sincerely thought) And, I truly don't fault them. I am allowed though... to regret their decision. And, try to come to terms with it. I grant you that.
Life can (and still does) go on. No need to make too much over it, now. It was years and years ago.

My mother listened to what I had to say and she apologized. She didn't cry and I didn't pursue it any further. I think she realizes now---(knowing more about circumcision, that is) it's a decision best left up to the man later in life.

Barbaric? Maimed? Yes, perhaps rather "strong" words to associate with circumcision. I'm guilty.

I'm delighted TechnoTed, that you accept and obviously don't think negatively about being circumcised. I really am happy for you. Many of the rest of us "cut guys" though, do not.

I'm not mad enough with my parents to abandon them out of my life or my memories. It's just that I too, (along with my mother at least) know more now and I resent what was taken from me....more sensitivity and opportunities for personal pleasure. Debates ensue whether cut and uncut guys really have all that many differences in their sexual "responses". I think there IS a difference. There would have to be. From other men's comments, I have missed out considerably. But, I'm okay. I still function. It's just that I don't know what I really missed. For me, THAT'S the sad thing when I think about it. As to the personal hygiene advantages of being "cut" versus "uncut"....I wash myself now and I would still have to wash myself "the other way"---uncircumcised. Again, from modern day reading...all the propaganda about having to take "special measures to clean an uncut baby" was alot of baloney. 'Plain ole water will do just fine and really, new-born infants should best be left alone WITHOUT retracting their delicate foreskins until later in life. (The exception would of course be unusual medical situations which demand a least a partial circumcision)

We've strayed considerably from the original intent of this thread---what cut "status" women prefer. This matter of circumcision though, is a touchy subject for many, many men.

Ladies!---you' especially have probably learned alot here! We men have, too. It helps to converse.

I think what "men prefer" (as we learn more) is that we would probably want a choice in the matter--when we can decide exactly WHAT we want and WHY we would want it.

 

[jonb]

[quote author=TechnoTed link=board=women;num=1068924688;start=40#44 date=01/09/04 at 01:02:05]You know, I am disappointed with the ingratitude to their parents by some of those circumcised, calling circumcision barbarism or mutilation.[/quote]
I'm not circumcised, you idiot. It just happens that I'm sick of medical fraud. Oh, I treat the homeopaths and urine drinkers just as harshly, don't worry. (You noticed I got after Dee for taking an antiviral medication under normal circumstances.) Your logic is something like

X AND Y
Therefore IF X THEN Y

By that logic, you might be interested in this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3227734.stm

That is emotional, irrational nonsense, pure and simple, as if their folks were some sort of monsters. Sad! Very sad. :'(

And discussing beauty standards isn't 'emotional, irrational nonsense'?

They don't have any idea of the loving decision made by their folks after considering the pros and cons of circumcision.

What decision? Their mothers likely signed it while hopped up on pain meds.

They gladly would have sacrificed everything to give their baby boys (and girls) the very best chance for health and success in every way including their relationships with their wives and lovers. (Just as you do with your kids).

And in Egypt, the men won't have sex with an uncircumcised girl, so when the girls are circumcised there, it's 'the best chance for...success in...their relationships...'

I have previously presented medical facts and studies, but I rest my case on this:

No you didn't. You presented a series of non-causal correlations, none of them from peer-reviewed medical journals.

http://skepdic.com/posthoc.html

Testimony from many adults who have lived with a foreskin while having active sex lives for years and decided to be circumcised rave about the benefits of being cut; such as increased sensitivity and more frequent sex, including oral ecstasy. (Perhaps attractive appearance and no foul smell has it's rewards...?) ???

What testimony? Give me citations, please.

*sigh* Why does the net attract crazies?

 

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nowoonder: The discussion above mentioned that sex with an uncircumcised partner might be less enjoyable.

The following link might be a good read on that one:
http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/ohara/

 

[jonb]

Notice that TechnoTed hasn't responded?

@nowoonder:
Of course, in your case, you don't have to worry; your avatar says you're a lesbian! LOL

 

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TechnoTed: Back in town and catching up on all the recent posts. I see Jonb calls me an 'idiot'. Isn't is interesting when someone blown away by the facts and testimonies reverts to calling people names? Well, I won't be too hard on the very juvenile 20 yr. old rookie that thinks he knows everything but really knows...nothing.
I have said and posted enough for you more intelligent readers to decide for yourselves and will not lower myself to respond to this kid's silly imaginations. My 50-some years of sexual experience (44 years married and still honeymooning) and four decades of study, discovery, penis enlargement, maximizing ecstasy and counselling young marrieds (Make Love, Not War...) :-* speaks for itself. So let me sign off this topic with this: Those of us fortunate enough to have parents that circumcised us, enjoy your improved, healthy sex and those of you that despise those of us that are cut, enjoy your foreskin while the rest of us enjoy more frequent, satisfying sex.
TT

 

[jonb]

[quote author=TechnoTed link=board=women;num=1068924688;start=40#51 date=01/24/04 at 23:05:47]Back in town and catching up on all the recent posts. I see Jonb calls me an 'idiot'. [/quote]
What? It's a legitimate psychological term. No one with an IQ over 20 (You have to be at least 25 to graduate to imbecile.) would think that circumcision prevents HIV infection, when circumcised men still get HIV.

I also implied that you were a sado-pedophile, but we won't even go there.

Isn't is interesting when someone blown away by the facts and testimonies reverts to calling people names?

Facts and testimonies? LOL Please! A bunch of non-causal correlations aren't 'facts and testimonies'. I can correlate my age and the distance between galaxies perfectly, but that doesn't mean they're related.

Well, I won't be too hard on the very juvenile 20 yr. old rookie that thinks he knows everything but really knows...nothing.

I took this to sci.med.aids and sci.skeptic, and everyone was rolling on the floor at your arguments!

I have said and posted enough for you more intelligent readers to decide for yourselves and will not lower myself to respond to this kid's silly imaginations. My 50-some years of sexual experience (44 years married and still honeymooning) and four decades of study, discovery, penis enlargement, maximizing ecstasy and counselling young marrieds (Make Love, Not War...) :-* speaks for itself.

Penis enlargement? Now you've convinced me you're a quack.

So let me sign off this topic with this: Those of us fortunate enough to have parents that circumcised us, enjoy your improved, healthy sex and those of you that despise those of us that are cut, enjoy your foreskin while the rest of us enjoy more frequent, satisfying sex.

I get it just about every night, Ted. Except when she's sick or on her period.

 

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tomarctus: Very interesting discussion, folks. I'm circumsized, though loosely. I call it semi-cut. There was no reason for it, though. My parents just did it because they didn't know any different.
I would much, much prefer to be intact. I did have some succes in restoring my foreskin and may return to restoration again.
As for the pros and cons, from my research over the years it seems they are evenly divided. I'm not convinced at all by the pro-circumcision side myself. I would have preferred the choice as an adult. I know I would have kept my 4skin.
On other men I have slight preference for intact cocks. I like the appearance, the feel and the smell. It is intoxicating to me. I love the way the skin feels moving across the cock head. Even my semi-cut skin feels delightful to play with.

 

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wvalady1968: Trying to be cute and it blew up in my face. I'm sorry.

 

[jonb]

I'm just getting sick of this thread. I'll let it die if he will.

Jon (I'm a homeophobe; I'm afraid of magic water.)

 

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roedhunt: I cannot believe there are men actually defending their parents for their ignorant decision. "well, my dad is, and his dad is..." On and on. Honestly, what about your daughter? Or granddaughter? Would it be acceptable to have HER circumcised? Why not? Why dont we just cut off her clitoris? She wont need it. Your the parent. You have the right to choose as a parent. Cut that little knob off. Hey, while you're at it, cut her labia off too. Then just sew her up. Her husband can cut her open on her honeymoon. It will prevent her from premarital sex. I mean really, it's only skin, right? They did it in the late 1800s and early 1900s in America. Hey, let's bring it back!

Who's with me?  

 

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ORCABOMBER: *waves*

Without getting into ANY arguments of the past posts, lets say, that we're proud of what God/The creator/allah/bad luck/the Devil Himself gave us.

AMEN!

 

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tomarctus: [quote author=roedhunt link=board=women;num=1068924688;start=40#56 date=01/25/04 at 22:01:44]I cannot believe there are men actually defending their parents for their ignorant decision.[/quote]
I told my mother I was disappointed about being circumcised and she apologized to me. When I was born she and my dad didn't even know enough to ask. I don't defend them, I just understand how things were in 1955.
Today is a different story. I always plead to my pregnant friends to leave their baby boy intact. Sadly, I haven't won my case yet in the four instances where I tried.

 

[jonb]

[quote author=roedhunt link=board=women;num=1068924688;start=40#56 date=01/25/04 at 22:01:44]I cannot believe there are men actually defending their parents for their ignorant decision. "well, my dad is, and his dad is..." On and on. Honestly, what about your daughter? Or granddaughter? Would it be acceptable to have HER circumcised? Why not? Why dont we just cut off her clitoris? She wont need it. Your the parent. You have the right to choose as a parent. Cut that little knob off. Hey, while you're at it, cut her labia off too. Then just sew her up. Her husband can cut her open on her honeymoon. It will prevent her from premarital sex. I mean really, it's only skin, right? They did it in the late 1800s and early 1900s in America. Hey, let's bring it back!

Who's with me?  [/quote]
In fact, that's exactly how they justify clitoridectomy in Egypt. "We've always done it, no one complains..."