Do female porn stars deserve more credit?

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  1. kc2007

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    This is somewhat a continuation of the ideas expressed in the "would you create a porn" thread.

    I know usually they are just considered dirty sluts and do-anything-for-money prostitutes, only there for the instant sexual gratification and amusement of men, which is unfortunate but that's the way our society likes to judge. It would be nice if they could be considered something along the lines of "erotic performers" but that was discussed in the last thread..I want to know, does their abilities and acting deserve more credit?

    Like the men, I don't think just any woman could be a porn actress. However, unlike the men who only need the physical attributes and ability to perform on camera, the women also need to seem to love every minute of what they are doing. Which I have to imagine, is not 'always' the case. Not only that, but most guys in porn are huge and from what I've learned from the internet over the years, much bigger than the average woman wants or needs. They can suck and fuck these massive tools with the greatest of ease and look like they love it. Occasionally you will see some wincing but not often. Most women, if face to face in real life with one these things, would have no idea what to do.

    Ok, I know they aren't going to win the nobel prize anytime soon, but we can put them on the same level as an elite athlete? Gifted with the physical and mental attributes that allows them to be the best in the "sport" of jerking, sucking, and fucking?
     
  2. ManlyBanisters

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    Well - for a start male porn performers' cocks really aren't all that abnormally massive, most of that is camera angle and such. And with the genuinely big male performers they aren't always fucking as deep as it appears they are. I recall Omar, in the 'the World Largest Penis' Channel 4 thingie, saying that if a female performer is getting pain from his size they'll adjust the camera angle and penetration so it looks like he's going balls deep when he isn't.

    For seconds, I don't believe that the women are required to look like they are loving every second of it. I dunno what kind of porn you steer yourself towards but one of the things that puts me off pro porn is that often the woman appears to have been directed to pretend she is in pain, or the men are slapping, strangling, forcing, etc.. The woman may or may not be enjoying it, maybe she's tolerating it without discomfort, or with discomfort - maybe she's just taken a hit of something and doesn't care. Whatever - it disturbs me that people want to wank off to that and that women who do not have a sexual preference for that kind of sex are submitting to it because of market forces. It isn't the same as BDSM stuff because there is a respect between participants in BDSM that the mainstream 'rough fuck' porn just does not have.

    So - from just those two factors I think your OP is kind of impossible to answer because I think you are jumping off from far too narrow a starting point with your assumptions. But I'll try.

    Do I think that overall women porn performers deserve more credit than men in straight porn? (I assume that's what you mean, straight porn only.) No - I think both have their challenges. I think both get exploited horribly. I think the women are far more likely to be unfairly stigmatised. I think they are more likely to get physically and metally abused while working in the industry. I think the men are more likely to get booted off a production if they can't perform and that they are underpaid compared to the women.

    All in all I think it is a shit industry where the frontline workers are exploited and treated like shit and that's why pro porn turns my stomach these days and I avoid it.
     
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    I have done 10 porn movies an the majority of the girls are flakey an show up to the set late if they show up at all when it comes to the female talent if they can just show up to the set on time the will do good in the business an as for their acting ability most have zero it's not that hard to moan an scream I love your dick.

    An as for the male talent being BIG most are 6 1/2 to 7 inches but they are short average height about 5'8.
     
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    I agree with most of this. Just a random idea that came about from the other thread..maybe they do, maybe they don't. Pretty subjective so I am not looking for "the truth" per say, as no one here has that. However, I would say most of the known male porn stars have cocks that are in the 8x6 and above range, which we know is rare in the real world.

    Also, call me old fashioned, but if the woman doesn't look like she is enjoying it, I am not interested.
     
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    i think they do a tough job.
    faking enjoyment. faking a sex crazed persona even when the camera isn't rolling. the pressure to go bareback and risk their lives/health. the large numbers that end up incontinent or with prolapses. the hard work they put into keeping in shape. the surgery a lot of them have.
    i wouldn't do it. i don't understand the motivation to do it. it pisses me off, really fucking pisses me off, that they don't have the basic health and safety laws in place to protect them... it's like a builder being refused work for wanting a hard hat & safety boots.
    everyone has to pay the rent somehow. as far as i'm concerned, it's just a job. no better or worse than a hooker or a lawyer.
     
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    Well they do get tested very regularly these days, for STDs etc. I don't know what their health standards are like outside of that, though.
     
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    builders should work without hard hats, but be tested every month for concussion?

    people would get used to seeing rubbers if all porn had rubbers. youngsters might even be more likely to use them if they saw it as the norm in porn.
     
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    Fair enough about the 'truth', I can't argue with that - but I just don't believe 8x6 is standard. I think those maybe the 'published' figures but I don't believe them. Plus how many 'known' males performers are there? That's not a rhetorical question, I have no idea. I freely admit that I no longer watch pro-porn and when I did I went for scenarios not names - I rarely saw the same man or woman twice, so really I know little of 'big name' stars. What I do know is of the, probably, 100s of men I did see in porn movies very few of them were above average.
     
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    performers, female or male, need more protections in/from the porn industry.

    porn is a major money earner, 10-15 billion per year, and needs to come out of the back alley when it comes to taking care of it's performers.

    OSHA needs to demand a standard of on set safety, everything from condoms and testing to on-set advocates during shoots. the industry is too big to policy itself anymore, there needs to be an outside agency keeping checks on production companies.

    porn performers can not collect unemployment, have no rights to workmen comp or any other protections extended to tax-paying workers in the states. porn performers should be able to opt in for medical insurance, 401k, and pensions.

    nothing is going to change until the general attitude toward people in the sex industry change. as long as the consumer regulated these folks to second class citizen, the industry will continue to roll through people and keep profiting from the abuses.

    other changes, consent age needs to be raised to 21. the recent surge of 18th Birthday Porn is soooo gross, and borderline criminal. i don't see how it's legal to solicit/negotiate a contract while the perform is still underage.
     
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    I agree with that. I was just saying that the industry does self regulate to some extent... just not nearly enough.
     
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    no, it makes a half arsed, token effort in order to appease the powers that be and avoid rigid regulation.
     
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    realness.... i can't think of a recent porn where the women appeared to be enjoying themselves.

    i've seen women moan out tired ass porn dialog.

    i've seen women gut it out while physically repulsive men work at jamming as many cocks as possible into one orifice.

    i've seen women clearly not enjoying themselves, or being outright miserable.

    i've seen male sexuality reduced to thinly veiled, not at all veiled, violence against women.

    *reads last two posts* i really hate straight porn. *blechface goes here*
     
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    mclee, i agree. film bribed abuse and feed it to the impressionable masses.
     
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    @dolfette I doubt there's much political pressure at all to regulate the porn industry, so they're not really appeasing anybody. Legislation to protect the well being of pornstars can't possibly be a major vote winner, unfortunately... and I imagine the industry probably lobbies hard to keep from having regulation enforced on them. What standards DO actually exist are probably just to protect their investment in the 'talent', because they aren't doing out of the goodness of their hearts.
     
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    no, that's why only a half arsed effort is needed. investments? there is always plenty more fodder just begging to be let in the door.
     
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    testing started as an effort by performers to protect themselves. only when contract performers and well known names started refusing to work without testing/condoms did the production studios and producers start advertising their compliance with a "clean to work" policy.

    there is no political pressure to increase protections for performers because the folks being exploited have no connection to money or clout. there is no gain in standing up for a group of people double stigmatized by the voting public.

    studios and distributors has money to burn, to put out an image of the "new" porn industry. heaps of interviews with happy performers, contract girls and conventions.

    so you have an industry trying to appear squeaky clean, you have a buying public who don't really want to see the ugly behind a product they consume. and you have a political/law making agencies ignoring the problem.
     
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    Thank you for posting this. Well explained. This is really what I meant with my last post.

    And the contract girls (and guys) are obviously what I meant by 'investments'...
     
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    even contract girls/guys are owned by their studios.

    performers don't get much money from the DVDS, the performance or sells. most money is generated by merchandise, appearances and personal websites *money from advertising or memberships*

    all secondary money is tied to a performers "brand" name recognition and familiarity. piss off the studio, and boom, you are cut off from your ability to earn income. at least in the industry.

    the power structure is completely wonky. *kicks porn studios*
     
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    adding - finding the correct agency to police porn is gonna be tricky. seems like most would just add to the exploitation.

    maybe a governing board of medical professionals, performers former and current, contract law specialists and the such? a new agency.. voted in to office by folks in porn. kinda like Porn Police :smile:
     
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