Do gay people struggle?
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I am very good at my job. My employer knows it too. Unfortunately, given my career, once you are established you must remain in the location or take a huge pay cut. I have not been afraid to stand up for my rights and have had to do so over the years. It's very hard on me personally. I feel like a lone wolf. It's very hard to explain the pain it brings me. People just dont understand at the site. Once I finally had to tell my boss, " It's like you don't have a problem with aliens, you just dont seem to have the first clue how to communicate with an alien nor the desire to."
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Actually yeah. I was under the impression that being gay was not yet something as normal as being straight. Got a different impression from others. Figured i'd ask.
My geography has a lot to do with the fact that I can be "out" and not struggle. As I don't fit into any particular clique, category or fetish, my only problems with acceptance lie within the the gay "community".
Why so? Sorry about the long reply but i came back to express exactly who inspired this thread. Saw your post and it makes me kind of curious. Is there something going on with the gay "community" you don't like or approve of?
And for those wondering. This thread was inspired by...
Leslie Jones Twitter row: Breitbart editor banned over abuse
Yup, that guy. Milo Yiannopoulos.
Milo: Every Gay Charity In America Should Be Shut Down After Orlando
Milo Yiannopoulos Hates Feminism
I'm curious but don't think i should create a new thread only for this. How do you (as in men who are gay) feel about this guy?
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As Alex says, it does depend on where you are.
If you are not 'a rough and tumble boy' and live in a town like Pringle South Dakota, it can be difficult. If you have mannerisms that differ from the 'ortho' mannerisms for men, it can be difficult. And if you come out as gay in Rigby Idaho, life can be difficult--even if you're a bodybuilder who's a heavy equipment operator..
But I also think that even in larger population centers, some straight people have their hate-gaydar switched on and look for possible gays. Just things that I have overheard people say in this Oregon city of 90,000+ make me think that.
And Al is right in another regard: sometimes gay men can be so normative about dress, occupation, education, speech/dialect, past-times, income, physical appearance and the like, that they make life hard for gay men that don't fit in the 'conventional/stereoptypical/current-fashion' gay mold. There's no persecutor as good as the persecuted--they know all about it.
When I hear gay men deprecate country-western music, pickup trucks, Oshkosh coveralls, Fruit-of-the-Loom underwear, certain bars, entertainment venues (like bowling, for example) and the like, it's pretty damned disgusting. And don't get me started on the urban city rat vs. the country mouse.
Bottom line, we do fit in and still we don't--among society in general and among our own.
Personally, I have never found the gay community: anyone got a map with directions?
He's an attention whore. He is basicaly a performance artist who's form of art is controversy, specificaly socio-political controversy. And as social and political issues are extremely passionate matters that induces people into bandwagoning, those who support him don't see that for him, none of those issues are serious (if you're interest, read the article "The dark opportunism of Breitbart’s Milo Yiannopoulos"). His most recuring act is very clickbatey: a gay guy who is anti-gay and overall anti-progress.
He reminds me a lot of Camille Paglia, the self-defined atheist who say atheists are juvenile and should embrace the wisdom of Christianism, Paganism, etc., lesbian who have sex with men (and says other lesbians are "too radical" for only having sex with women), feminist who says women are to be blamed for date rapes and that male-dominated societies are inherently superior because there will never be a female Pascal/Milton/Kant/etc, lgbt activist who say gay people are not normal and not born gay, AIDS activist who blame gay people for the start of the AIDS pandemic... among other intentional contradictions. Good thing she isn't jewish, otherwise she would definitely be a nazi.
Anyway, the technique is centuries old: a member of a marginalized group confirms every lie told about them by the dominant group. In exchange of the attention those uncle toms are receiving, they give the impression that bigotry is respectable to "both sides". They distort real activism as a threat to civil dialogue and present bigotry as a form of persecuted dissidence.
Hmm i absolutely...positively and hilariously agree.
Sorry but I find Milo Yiannopoulos to be a refreshing counter to much of the frenzied LGBT media, much of which is founded on self rewarding innuendo.
I am not saying Milo Yiannopoulos is always correct in how he sees the world, but he does offer reasons to question some of the air headed thinking regularly floated in from the far left or the ignorant.
Oh no even a broken clock is as they say correct once a day. I only watched a couple of his videos and when he begins to explain the reaction from young folk here an there i tend to agree with him. In general he talks about how it's all shock value with young people. That they say things to people online simply to get a reaction out of people. Trolls and all that.
That to a lot of young people it's nothing but a game to rile people up, to get a laugh and etc. When he says that i kind of agree. It's about the most surface explanation a person can express but there is truth in it. Problem comes in though when he uses that as a platform to make stereotypes not only about that group but all others.
Sure, some kids, teens and younger folks are just saying things to get a reaction and most times people shouldn't react. It does only feed the feeling and helps to continue it on. Until of course those same people escalate their behavior because they aren't getting that attention. So much so that they're behavior starts to creep into normally adult conversations. Where it has no real place above shock value. And the only real effect is that it whittles down less mentally stable people's ability to control themselves.
At that point it's just a matter of time before those unstable people turn their seemingly harmless words into actions. If he just offered reasons for why he thinks people did this or that it would be a different story. He crossed that line a long time ago. He now influences people toward extreme language without so much as the slightest bit of maturity in any direction afterward. If he anything he now supports harassment any and everywhere he goes no matter who it is or why.
So of course it's refreshing. He's saying and doing things others aren't. It's only a matter of contrast. Like walking in an air conditioned room from sweltering heat. He takes a grain of truth and tries to stretch it so that it covers large groups of people. He makes things seem simple and easy to digest. By the way, check this out.
The real strong have no need to prove it to the phonies.
Words build bridges into unexplored regions.
I believe in one thing only, the power of human will.
Countless millions who have walked this earth before us have gone through this, so this is just an experience we all share.
Refreshing right! And if i do say so myself, very inspiring. Do a google search. See who said these things. Yeah just because a clock is right once a day it doesn't mean people should set all other clocks by it. Especially not when the broken clock says things like...
..now i don't absolutely know if he said this or not but i'm pretty sure even if he didn't..he'd say he did. And thats because of the financial aspect of his outrageousness. I'm guessing he makes more money acting that way then he would otherwise.
As far as the self rewarding innuendo goes. I don't understand how you could label him as being refreshing in that regard. If i could describe the guy in a few words it would be "look at me immagayman who is like totally shocking ya'll and i love it so love me". When he isn't being wrong or stumbling on grains of truth he's going on and on about how gay he is. Congratulating himself on it and using his own gayness for money.
Don't get me wrong though, i actually like the guy. He has single handedly done more for the liberal movement than any other person out there. Going so far as to say gay people don't struggle is like giving liberals and democrats a hand job laced with ky in a room full of naked jensen ackles posters (that dude really is hot). Ok...umm lost my train of thought.
Some oppression bullet points:
- Prom in mid 80's - couldn't ask anyone so I didn't go
- Corollary...too scared to ask out my high school crush - the closet of fear
- Just as I discovered my sexuality, we were told that having sex causes gay-related cancer (later it was called GRID then AIDS)
- Can't go to most Islamic nations (and some Christian nations) for fear of imprisonment
- My mother hated gay people and repeatedly told me I was dragging my life through the gutter
- Got fag-bashed a couple of times
- Having to endure annoying anti-gay rants from so-called holy men.
- In Oklahoma, straight porn was allowed but gay porn was illegal, so I had to buy muscle mags...this was pre-internet
- At my company, gay people are tolerated but not accepted...salary impacted
- Had to wait twelve years to get married and enjoy the tax breaks
- Still hear taunts in my head from early years "fucking fag" ringing in my ears
- Ongoing fear that society will do an about face and put us in camps
Couldn't agree more...
Here's just a few from me
. in a long-term relationship, we had to go through legal contortions with financial accounts--joint tenancy with right of survivorship and medical power of attorney for decision-making authority when 'family' and 'next-of-kin' was the basis of the direction of medical care if one of us partners could not direct medical care for the other and even be allowed access in a hospital by family who didn't approve of our relationship. I still have a will that disinherits by name every member of my family because of what some members of my family threatened to pull, should I die and specify my partner as my heir.
. the term 'sodomy'. Although the Supreme Court struck down the Texas sodomy law in Lawrence vs. Texas in 2003 and invalidated sodomy laws in 13 other states, this religious term continues to be used as a legal charge, when what is meant is forced anal penetration (anal rape). What still pisses me off is that I can still be called any of a number of names (especially after I leave the room), when every woman who gives oral sex to a man is, in point of fact, a cocksucker and, in the eyes of some religions, a sodomite when she engages in consensual anal sex with a male partner. Most women I know admit and cheerfully to being cocksuckers.
. and the other names that people sling: butt pirate, faggot, cum slut, fairy, poofta, shirt lifter, chutney ferret (those fuckin' Brits...), tail gunner, nelly, etc. About the worst term I've ever heard gays use derogatorily for straight folks is 'breeders'.
Is it better now? Well, people still talk about 'gay marriage' rather than marriage equality or just plain marriage. There are still asshole Christian pastors who advocate the death penalty for homosexuals, say that it's too bad more people weren't killed in Orlando, and then there's Islam and even Hinduism and some Buddhists that feel that homosexuality is a perversion of their male/female spiritual models. At least two of the 'Great Western Religions' threaten hellfire and damnation for it. Ah yes, sins against nature (gimme a break!) are unforgivable sins against the holy spirit according to RC doctrine, and my relationship is disordered and contrary to reason and nature.
Kim Davis, Ted Cruz, Hambone Huckabee, Mike Pence, Pat McCrory, John Roberts, Samuel Alito, and Clarence Thomas are still around, and the newly-dead Antonin Scalia is still a reminder that there are poisonous toads out there filled with homophobic hate-venom. I'll betcha John Roberts' and Clarence Thomas' wives are cocksuckers...if their husbands have anything to do with it.
Here ends the Rant.
But Kim Davis is "Our Rosa Parks" according to her fundamentalist friends. Refusing to obey a law that she finds abhorrent. Rosa Parks my ass. Rosa Parks wasn't driving the goddam bus!
Still think he's refreshing?
Leslie Jones’ Website Taken Down After Horrific Nude Photo Hack
As if Leslie Jones hadn’t suffered enough at the hands of internet, the “Ghostbusters” actress’ personal website was hacked on Wednesday. Private information, including her passport and a driver’s license, as well as multiple nude photos were posted online, TMZ reports.
The hacker somehow gained access to the comedian’s website and reportedly posted a video of Harambe, the gorilla who was shot and killed at a Cincinnati Zoo earlier this summer. Internet trolls have repeatedly used Harambe memes and photos to incite online abuse directed at Jones.
It would seem to me that he...incited..this bit. Seeing as how he was the one who made her a target to begin with. Thats just me though.
Is this a gay issue?
There are always two sides to a story. This site (http://sandrarose.com/2016/07/the-story-behind-leslie-jones-vs-milo-twitter-brawl/) adds another perspective.
Also review http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/07/18/milo-reviews-ghostbusters/
Sorry, I still appreciate Milo Yiannopoulos based on his original review of the movie.
Is this a gay issues? Yes. This is the same guy who thinks gay people don't struggle anywhere for any reason. Same guy who supports donald trump. The same guy who thinks feminism is ruining everything and everyone. The same guy that after she was hacked hinted at it being just karma. Same guy who you felt was "refreshing" once again after he said gay people don't struggle and that it is all a liberal conspiracy meant to coddle people.
So yeah you can appreciate him all you want to. I highly doubt the same can be said for all gay people.
This is more an issue between two gays, than it is a gay issue.
Sorry, based on Leslie Jones trash mouth, and for that matter most of what occurs on SNL, I find little compassion.
