Do Liberals Want Illegals To Stay/come To Usa?

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Its concerning that your perception makes anyone attempting to come in to the US an "illegal." In order to be an illegal immigrant, one must have already immigrated, so wanting them to come doesn't make sense because they would already have to have done so for your terminology to be correct.

I think most liberals are neutral on whether or not immigrants come to the country. However, I think that most liberals feel that if someone wishes to immigrate to the US then they should have a reasonable and timely path to citizenship. The ability to immigrate legally should not be so restrictive that those who wish to immigrate, or who have no option but to immigrate, have the ability to do so legally, and again, in a reasonable and timely way.
 

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The population of the U.S. when I was born was around 215,000,000
The U.S. population now 40 years later has grown into a whopping 327,000,000

The country's population has increased by a massive 112,000,000 in 40 years.

In those 40 years the manufacturing base of this country has been completely destroyed & our labor unions have been greatly weakened.

40% of Americans cannot handle an unforeseen $400 expense

Healthcare expenses are the largest driver of bankruptcies

In 1987 59% of workers thought their jobs were secure... in 2014 that number was down to 47%

Only 60-70% of displaced workers find new jobs after three years. About half of that 60-70% who found new jobs earn less than their last job.

Between 2.3 million and 3.5 million people experience homelessness for at least a few nights during the course of a year

The United States economic outlook has gotten more and more dire while the population continues to increase.

Adding more and more people to this equation is only going to compound the gradually worsening economic situation.

The solution to the economic woes of the United States certainly isn't to add more people to the sinking ship.
 

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Its concerning that your perception makes anyone attempting to come in to the US an "illegal." In order to be an illegal immigrant, one must have already immigrated, so wanting them to come doesn't make sense because they would already have to have done so for your terminology to be correct.

I think most liberals are neutral on whether or not immigrants come to the country. However, I think that most liberals feel that if someone wishes to immigrate to the US then they should have a reasonable and timely path to citizenship. The ability to immigrate legally should not be so restrictive that those who wish to immigrate, or who have no option but to immigrate, have the ability to do so legally, and again, in a reasonable and timely way.

Yes, liberals want the same legal and humane paths to citizenship for immigrants, whether they come from what Trump and bigots like him call "shit hole" countries, or Canada, or Norway.

The same paths and opportunities for citizenship that both of his IMMIGRANT WIVES had, AND his ancestors.

Liberals want people fleeing for their lives, in hope of a better CHANCE, to have the same due process and paths to citizenship as anyone from Europe or Russia for example.

Liberals want brown skinned immigrants and people of color to get the same welcome that Russian WOMEN get when they're put up and pampered in Trump hotels so that THEY can birth dual citizenship offspring.

WHY DON'T WE EVER HEAR A FKNG THING ABOUT THAT??

“SVM-MED, a Miami birth-tourism company that also boasts outposts in Moscow and Kiev, offers three tiers of packages to its clients, with the top two advertising lodging in Trump Towers,” The Beast reported. “The most expensive package costs $84,700 for a Trump Tower II apartment with a gold-tiled bathtub and chauffeured Cadillac Escalade or Mercedes Benz.”

Not unlike those Trump wants to keep out with his border wall, the Russians just want a better life for their children.

“These families have no plans to work in the U.S. or pay U.S. taxes as their child grows.

Rather, U.S. citizenship is an extra security blanket that the wealthy give themselves after months-long vacations on Miami’s beaches,” The Beast explained.


“It also gives their kids a shot at financial aid at U.S. schools and easier access to jobs in the U.S. After the child turns 21, he or she can also apply for family reunification, to get her parents and non-citizen siblings green cards to come to the U.S.”


Wealthy Russian ‘birth tourists’ are flocking to Trump hotels so newborns can have dual citizenship - Orrazz

Wealthy Russians are flocking to give birth at Trump’s luxury US resorts so their kids can have dual-citizenship | London Evening Standard
 
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We also remember when prior to 2016 when the term "birth tourism" first entered the lexicon how right wingers like Steve King and Louie Gomert were so absolutely wrapped around the axle over this, Louie calling them "terror babies"

This was the outrage of all outrages

How could President Obame allow any such thing

Why that alone was grounds for impeachment

He just knew that this was how the next wave of ISIS or who ever would "get into the US. Get born here and then after almost if not more than 20 years going by they would be able to get into the US because they were citizens. Ignoring the FACT that half the world could just show up at an airport like ATL, DFW, JFK or LAX and get in with no need to have gotten a Visa beforehand .

Now not a peep

Of course back then the women were from China and staying in mostly less opulent surroundings and in mostly California and Donald Trump was not making one red cent off the deal.
 

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The population of the U.S. when I was born was around 215,000,000
The U.S. population now 40 years later has grown into a whopping 327,000,000

The country's population has increased by a massive 112,000,000 in 40 years.

In those 40 years the manufacturing base of this country has been completely destroyed & our labor unions have been greatly weakened.

40% of Americans cannot handle an unforeseen $400 expense

Healthcare expenses are the largest driver of bankruptcies

In 1987 59% of workers thought their jobs were secure... in 2014 that number was down to 47%

Only 60-70% of displaced workers find new jobs after three years. About half of that 60-70% who found new jobs earn less than their last job.

Between 2.3 million and 3.5 million people experience homelessness for at least a few nights during the course of a year

The United States economic outlook has gotten more and more dire while the population continues to increase.

Adding more and more people to this equation is only going to compound the gradually worsening economic situation.

The solution to the economic woes of the United States certainly isn't to add more people to the sinking ship.

OMG, you can’t post real facts as you have here on LPSG. It is verboten. But you are correct.

Anyone who believes immigration is a good thing for America absolutely hates our environment, our clean water, our clean air. They hate our fish, our birds, our reptiles, our mammals, our butterflies, our nutria ( invasive non native as it were.)

There is no way, no way at all to be both a true environmentalist and even accept one more human being in America by immigration.

Anyone who accepts immigration to the US as a right and calls themselves a green environmentalist is a lying piece of shit. As Holden Caulfield would say a real “ phony.” As Saddam would say” The Mother of all phonies.”
 

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The population of the U.S. when I was born was around 215,000,000
The U.S. population now 40 years later has grown into a whopping 327,000,000

The country's population has increased by a massive 112,000,000 in 40 years.

In those 40 years the manufacturing base of this country has been completely destroyed & our labor unions have been greatly weakened.

40% of Americans cannot handle an unforeseen $400 expense

Healthcare expenses are the largest driver of bankruptcies

In 1987 59% of workers thought their jobs were secure... in 2014 that number was down to 47%

Only 60-70% of displaced workers find new jobs after three years. About half of that 60-70% who found new jobs earn less than their last job.

Between 2.3 million and 3.5 million people experience homelessness for at least a few nights during the course of a year

The United States economic outlook has gotten more and more dire while the population continues to increase.

Adding more and more people to this equation is only going to compound the gradually worsening economic situation.

The solution to the economic woes of the United States certainly isn't to add more people to the sinking ship.

Unless they are white people who are not gay . . .
 

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Anyone who believes immigration is a good thing for America absolutely hates our environment, our clean water, our clean air. They hate our fish, our birds, our reptiles, our mammals, our butterflies, our nutria ( invasive non native as it were.)

There is no way, no way at all to be both a true environmentalist and even accept one more human being in America by immigration.

Anyone who accepts immigration to the US as a right and calls themselves a green environmentalist is a lying piece of shit. As Holden Caulfield would say a real “ phony.” As Saddam would say” The Mother of all phonies.”

You're insane.

And by the way, the environment is a global issue. People moving from one country to another is not the problem.

For that matter, human beings are a global concern. Open your mind, perhaps even your heart.
 

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You're insane.

And by the way, the environment is a global issue. People moving from one country to another is not the problem.

For that matter, human beings are a global concern. Open your mind, perhaps even your heart.

No you are insane believing that the US environment is better with 4000 more people being added daily across the border. Batshit crazy. We can only control our environment, so let us focus on that

And you are a phony to boot. If human beings are a global concern then why isn’t the UN asking Mexico and Brazil, and Spain to take Guatamalan refugees?
 

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No you are insane believing that the US environment is better with 4000 more people being added daily across the border. Batshit crazy. We can only control our environment, so let us focus on that.

Better? Not necessarily. Worse? Any difference is negligible at best. Besides, those of us already here have shown ourselves more than capable of screwing up the environment on our own.

And you are a phony to boot. If human beings are a global concern then why isn’t the UN asking Mexico and Brazil, and Spain to take Guatamalan refugees?

I'm not a member of the UN. If you think their decisions somehow make *me* a phony, there's not much I can say.
 

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Better? Not necessarily. Worse? Any difference is negligible at best. Besides, those of us already here have shown ourselves more than capable of screwing up the environment on our own.



I'm not a member of the UN. If you think their decisions somehow make *me* a phony, there's not much I can say.

Negligible? How do you know that? Are you out there monitoring watersheds? Are you out there monitoring trash and pollution?

You are just guessing and you are wrong. I am out there checking and I have data.

The UN? Are you clamoring for other countries to step up and take refugees? No you aren’t, In have followed your posts. A phony is you , blaming America first. Convenient, easy, a true panderer to
the libs here and I assume elsewhere.
 

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Negligible? How do you know that? Are you out there monitoring watersheds? Are you out there monitoring trash and pollution?

You are just guessing and you are wrong. I am out there checking and I have data.

We all look forward to you sharing it.

The UN? Are you clamoring for other countries to step up and take refugees? No you aren’t, In have followed your posts. A phony is you , blaming America first. Convenient, easy, a true panderer to the libs here and I assume elsewhere.

I haven't been "clamoring" for *anyone* to take refugees. I've simply maintained that refugees are human beings in need, and it's becoming a growing worldwide crisis. All countries should do what they can to take on that challenge; many of them are doing substantially more than the U.S., with far less in resources.

If I've focused on the U.S. response, it's because I live here. I doubt anyone in Mexico, Brazil, or Spain cares what I think.

But if it makes you feel any better, I'll let you in on a little secret: No one *here* cares what I think, either.
 

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We all look forward to you sharing it.



I haven't been "clamoring" for *anyone* to take refugees. I've simply maintained that refugees are human beings in need, and it's becoming a growing worldwide crisis. All countries should do what they can to take on that challenge; many of them are doing substantially more than the U.S., with far less in resources.

If I've focused on the U.S. response, it's because I live here. I doubt anyone in Mexico, Brazil, or Spain cares what I think.

But if it makes you feel any better, I'll let you in on a little secret: No one *here* cares what I think, either.

How Immigration May Affect Environmental Stability

My volunteer organization has just presented the USFW statistics on environmental degradation of watersheds in the West outlining factors we judge cause the most degradation. There are a number of factors and one remains illegal immigrants and their impact. It isn’t the worst factor but it is a real issue.
 

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How Immigration May Affect Environmental Stability

My volunteer organization has just presented the USFW statistics on environmental degradation of watersheds in the West outlining factors we judge cause the most degradation. There are a number of factors and one remains illegal immigrants and their impact. It isn’t the worst factor but it is a real issue.

Some good points in that article.

“'When you talk about immigration, you’re talking about the second half of a process that begins when people decide to leave their homes.' And they are usually leaving their homes because of hunger, lack of work, oppression, or any number of other often-desperate reasons. Seager and many others argue that by helping poor nations better address the economic and family planning needs of their citizens, Americans can not only help improve the lot of millions of people living in dire poverty, but also slow down the tide of immigration."

I agree with this. If we did more to help poor nations, there wouldn't be as much need for desperate people to make the long, dangerous trek to immigrate here. I hope the Trump administration will make this a priority.

"With just five percent of the world’s people, Americans use a quarter of the world’s fossil fuels, own more private cars than drivers with licenses, and live in homes that are on average 38 percent larger today than they were in 1975. By scaling back, Americans can take a big bite out of pollution, sprawl and other environmental problems, while also setting a good example for those who land in the U.S. every year, lowering the nation’s collective carbon footprint significantly in the process."

Again, another sensible suggestion. It would be a tough pill to swallow, but we Americans may need to scale back on our excessive lifestyles. And I suspect recent immigrants, on the whole, are not the ones most in need of scaling back.
 

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Some good points in that article.

“'When you talk about immigration, you’re talking about the second half of a process that begins when people decide to leave their homes.' And they are usually leaving their homes because of hunger, lack of work, oppression, or any number of other often-desperate reasons. Seager and many others argue that by helping poor nations better address the economic and family planning needs of their citizens, Americans can not only help improve the lot of millions of people living in dire poverty, but also slow down the tide of immigration."

I agree with this. If we did more to help poor nations, there wouldn't be as much need for desperate people to make the long, dangerous trek to immigrate here. I hope the Trump administration will make this a priority.

"With just five percent of the world’s people, Americans use a quarter of the world’s fossil fuels, own more private cars than drivers with licenses, and live in homes that are on average 38 percent larger today than they were in 1975. By scaling back, Americans can take a big bite out of pollution, sprawl and other environmental problems, while also setting a good example for those who land in the U.S. every year, lowering the nation’s collective carbon footprint significantly in the process."

Again, another sensible suggestion. It would be a tough pill to swallow, but we Americans may need to scale back on our excessive lifestyles. And I suspect recent immigrants, on the whole, are not the ones most in need of scaling back.

Until very recently we were spending money to help countries combat the safety issues that are driving out so many. Trump however eliminated all of that funding. All of it.
 

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Until very recently we were spending money to help countries combat the safety issues that are driving out so many. Trump however eliminated all of that funding. All of it.

Then I guess I'll have to scale back my hope that he'll suddenly become an international angel of mercy. ;)
 
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