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Do religious people have the right to be homophobic?

Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by Drifterwood, Apr 4, 2010.

  1. Drifterwood

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    Or frankly illegal in any other discrimantory way?

    This is becoming one of the big battlegrounds of our time. You have a book which you think gives you the right to practices that are now against the law. Am I infringing your rights in believing this book below the considered democratic opinion of my jurisdiction?

    Some of you won't like my answer to this question, but your religion is ephemeral. Religions come and go. Should I give respect to Mithras, to Zeus, Jupiter and the Egyptian one? Of course not, because they are wrong and you are right. :rolleyes:
     
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    Everyone has the right to feel and believe whatever they want.
     
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    Blah blah blah ..... and then acting upon it?

    Please catch up.
     
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    Maybe you should learn to phrase your questions better.

    But yes. Religious people and everyone else have the right to behave in a homophobic way. If their actions are illegal, they have committed a crime and should be punished, as with all crimes.

    Of course, some laws run contrary to our natural rights as men.
     
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    ofcourse they dont have the right to be homophobic. Satan tells me to kill Christians. Do i have the right to my beliefs?
     
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    Lemon, of course you have the right to your belief. What, should we police peoples' thoughts?
     
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    So i can go to kill christians? I mean, if they cna practice their homophobia....
     
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    Nope. Nobodies god has the right to compell them to discriminate against me, violating national law in the process.
     
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    Some more kindling to add to this fire....

    BBC News - Grayling suggests B&Bs should be able to bar gay guests

    I would re-phrase the question and ask..... do one persons beliefs, religious or not, have the right to encroach on another persons beliefs / way of life?..... Most deffo NOT!

    Respect for our fellow mans beliefs / rights is an absolute must.

    Myself, I class myself as strait, but I have many gay / bi friends, and we fully understand and respect each other's lives.

    Act's committed in the name of god / supreme being, are wrong, offensive, and disrespectful, full stop.

    So, what do I personally think, and what would I do, if I was in a situ like the one in the link?..... Because I know who I am, and are comfortable with myself, and having many gay / bi friends, I would not have a problem at all, and would only ask that guests are respectful to others whilst staying.

    From a religious aspect..... think the owners was right to refuse the two gent's stay, though it could have been handled better, with much more advance notice, and if you read the original story, you will see the owners make best efforts to try and be as non-offensive as possible, also recognising that everyone has a right to their own way of life, and beliefs.

    Now I wish that ALL religious people could be as flexible and as respectful as that.
     
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    Hmmmm, risky subject, but my answer is no, they have no right to be homophobic. I admire people who follow a religion, but I don't admire the ones who take the words written in the books (bible, koran, ...) too litterally. There is more meaning behind the words written in those books, but regretfully many can't see that. And that is a shame, because they don't live at the standards either written in the book if you want to take it litterally...
     
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    If they break the law they should be punished under the law. If you commit a hate crime (I'm assuming you're in the USA, where it is considered a hate crime to commit violence on someone for their religion) you should be punished accordingly.

    The question is so ambiguously asked. Is OP asking whether people of certain religions should get to break the law without consequence? "Hell no" would be my answer.
     
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    Fixed that for ya :smile:.
     
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    You could be seen as contradicting yourself here. I am not Jewish but live in a heavily orthodox jewish area. They have different ways of behaving, and they commit many acts in the name of God. I respect their beliefs, and they have so far been respectful of the fact that I do not follow their rules, even if they find it shocking at times.

    LPSG has a definite anti-religious bias, but that's probably the internet at large.
     
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    True. It's not an easy subject to deal with and put in to words, and is two-fold.....

    On one side, you see the right of the man on the street, to go about his business, without hindrance or let....

    Other side of the coin, you see the right of a person to follow their beliefs.

    Problem is, when BOTH sides do not respect the rights of the other, and there lies the problem.

    Same could be said with a particular subject here; circumcision, and as most will know, just how hot of a topic that is here, and the absolute disrespect both sides of the argument have to each other.
     
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    While I am very glad we do not live in a theocracy. I take your post as a slur on religious people. Especially in today's society. I find most religious people very compassionate. While I am sure religious trends come and go. The Ten commandments have been around for quite sometime. I am not sure what the take on homosexuality is on the Eastern Religions.
    But I am pretty much a product of Western Culture...(Especially Hollywood:biggrin1: )
     
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    Like I said in my post previous..... It's a subject that is difficult to deal with, and to word correctly, causing the minimum of offence as possible, noting the two extremes they represent.

    The important thing is, we make best efforts wherever possible, to respect each others rights and beliefs.

    AKA chalk and cheese.
     
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    The important thing is, we make best efforts wherever possible, to respect each others rights and beliefs.

    I could not agree with you more Perv...but what does the gay person do who grows up in a religious community where he/she has to hide their gay feelings. This might take us back to the original post. I just think that religious people here are painted as
    uncompassionate...I don't think thats true. I think this can be a true test of faith. But its just as hard on the parent as it is on the child. I have feelings and compassion for both parties.
     
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    You have the right to believe as you wish, undoubtedly.

    Whether what you believe is right, is another matter entirely.

    For religions that preach tolerance, love and compassion, it never ceases to amaze me just how many exceptions to these divine laws there actually are.

    Love thy neighbors but stone the queer.
    An eye for an eye but those without sin cast the first stone.
    The meek shall inherit the earth though the pursuit of money is the root of all evil.

    I believe in the divine, in a higher power, in God.

    I have far less faith in man and his interpretation of what that means.
     
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    Well of COURSE they're entitled to be homophobic.

    And I'm entitled to hate their guts (shhhh, don't tell the Republicans!).

    It's a free country.


    I was raised in a fundamentalist religion (Southern Baptist). I'm still having issues from it. But, this is a free country and they can do what they want. It's also a free country and I can tell them they're homophobic, bigoted, and the biggest bunch of lying hypocrites in history.

    That's MY right.
     
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    when you tell someone ( maybe a child ) that there not as good as someone eles, do you think it has an effect?
     
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    I think what might be the problem is that you have the gung ho "type A"
    personalities that are driving this on both sides of this issue . Most people would rather live and let live.
     
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    Well yes there is that yes, but I learned long ago to confront these issues when they present themselves in real life; rather than fall victim to yet another abstract thread that does not have an answer; particularly when the OP signs off and laughs them self to sleep for starting yet another shit stirring thread that has no answer.
     
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    This is the main problem, when you look at BOTH camps.

    You have these extreme type A persons, who think nothing else, but their beliefs are 100% right, and others are to be crushed without compassion or compromise..... the be all and end all.

    It's like when circumcision is discussed on these very forums, and one user particular comes to my mind (Whom I would like nothing better than to nuke off the face of this earth if I could), whom without fail makes an appearance in near enough each of these types of threads / posts, with his mass display of arrogance, and vitriol, reminds me exactaly of this type A person you describe.
     
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    Op may / may not be a shit stirrer, but let us all at least have a good discussion and debate about this, and have something good come from it.

    Turn it on it's head if you will :)
     
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    That's fine with me if that's possible. If this thread had been started regarding the allegations to the catholic church and their position on homosexuality it would have had a platform. However when someone just posts a completely abstract question he might as well have said is it OK for people to feel love and hate? Or he might have started something thought worthy like "What is the human condition to their upbringing vs. their education and life experience?"
     
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    This diverged from the original question, I think. Sure, in our country (USA) there is freedom to practice one's religion and also to be free FROM religion, and our Constitution/Bill of Rights prohibits the government from establishing a state religion. The 1st amendment gives people the right to free speech, regardless of how reprehensible or offensive it may be. But the limits are drawn on acting on those beliefs when they then affect other persons. To paraphrase, "your right to free speech stops at my nose" - believe whatever you want, have opinions based on religion or your own mental functions, etc. -- but do not attempt to make those the basis for legislation/political positions which impose those religious beliefs on someone who does NOT agree, share those beliefs, or want to be affected by your religious points of view.

    Separation of church and state is terribly important, IMO - especially when it comes to issues of civil rights, equality, sexuality, and keeping public policies and laws fully open to protect those in our society who do not share or want to be affected by others' religious teachings or the "general morality" (read biblical positions) - Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" for the military are examples of policy/laws based on Christian thinking, really. I think this is mostly an issue with concervative Judeo-Christian teachings and church positions, at least in the USA. And there are plenty of other faiths that don't match up with the same teachings - nor does this recognize non-religious people/citizens here, who should have an equal right to believe in not believing.

    Where does having laws to protect segments of the population (women, racial minorities, gays/lesbians, etc.) infringe on people's rights to believe something else? Where their actions based on those beliefs cause illegal acts. We make secular laws, not religious laws in the USA (supposedly).

    Simplifying: The issue is providing for people to have their religions or not and to keep the secular free of religion ....at least that's how I think of it. We don't (or shouldn't) provide a special nod to Christianity any more...so there
     
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    Or a condensed version of this..... privileges for all, rather than the choice few.

     
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    Religious people, who believe God is good and in everyone, have NO RIGHT to condemn ANYONE! God is LOVE and does not make any junk!
     
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