schoolmonday: Do any of the penis enlargement pills really work? and if so which re the best? Thanks
prepstudinsc: The only thing penis enlargement pills sucessfully enlarge is the marketer's wallet. My advice: save your money.
7x6andchg: I'm inclined to agree with prepstud - I had a friend that used them and...he swore he was bigger...but I think that was the power of suggestion.
7x6&C
7x6&C
TragicWhiteKnight: I hate to have to have to side with the hucksters and quacks behind the pill industry, but, I've been told by a friend products do work (marginally). 90% of the shoddy reputation of these companies as the fact that there's gazillions of resellers and bootleggers passing off sugar-pills as placebos; the rest comes from ridiculous claims of 3" gains and false testimonies.
An Internet guy I know says he's gained 1.5" from taking them, so if you can find somewhere with a reliable guarantee, there's no harm in trying it. That said, whether or not the results continue once the pill is no longer in your bloodstream is another matter altogether.
An Internet guy I know says he's gained 1.5" from taking them, so if you can find somewhere with a reliable guarantee, there's no harm in trying it. That said, whether or not the results continue once the pill is no longer in your bloodstream is another matter altogether.
rikter8: Im going to try out GNC's formulas for Vitality.
If you look around on the web, most of them have formulas for L-argentine, horny goat weed, Yobhime, and Macca.
I get 20% off on the first week of the month, and I trust GNC, plus theyre local.
Check out the site, theres like 6 or 7 of them, and even one in liquid.
I'll let you know what one I choose ( Arginmax is supposed to support blood vessel growth, and Macca which is supposed to support blood flow to extremeties)
I May get both of the above. Common sense tells me, with Jelquing and pumping, it may - MAY promote growth on my penis - If not, there are many other muscles on my body that will aid from it.
Corey
If you look around on the web, most of them have formulas for L-argentine, horny goat weed, Yobhime, and Macca.
I get 20% off on the first week of the month, and I trust GNC, plus theyre local.
Check out the site, theres like 6 or 7 of them, and even one in liquid.
I'll let you know what one I choose ( Arginmax is supposed to support blood vessel growth, and Macca which is supposed to support blood flow to extremeties)
I May get both of the above. Common sense tells me, with Jelquing and pumping, it may - MAY promote growth on my penis - If not, there are many other muscles on my body that will aid from it.
Corey
9cyclops9: They work, and its possible to get gains from pills alone, but very rare. But if you do penis enlargement excercises in addition to the pills, you will gain much quicker than the other two combined. Some good ones are VP-RX and Pro Solution. You can get VP-Rx for really cheap because they sell their pills to retailers and the retailers sell them for as little as they can get away with and still make a profit. I just bought a 4 month supply on Ebay for $45 because the Ebay guys keep dropping the prices to compete with each other. And they are genuine...I've ordered them from this person before and they REALLY enhanced my growth rate. I also did excercises. If you don't know the excercises, I'd suggest going with Pro Solution Pills. They offer free membership to a really great enlargement excercise site. But the pills are pretty expensive, so it's up to you and your wallet. Anyway, good luck, and keep us posted.
www.virilitypills.com
www.prosolutionpills.com
John
www.virilitypills.com
www.prosolutionpills.com
John
rikter8: Thanks for the info John,
I did check out Pro Solution, and thats partly where I compiled a list of ingredients to compare.
My only concern on buying from one of these sites guaranteeing "enlargement" is the sugar pill that they may - or may not offer, Ya know?
I will check them out though - especially the VRX ones.
can you pvt me with the vendor on E-bay or auction number you use?
I believe that I can go to Tigers Guide, or Thunders Place for Jelquing techniques - unless you believe these to be substandard?
Thanks!
Corey
I did check out Pro Solution, and thats partly where I compiled a list of ingredients to compare.
My only concern on buying from one of these sites guaranteeing "enlargement" is the sugar pill that they may - or may not offer, Ya know?
I will check them out though - especially the VRX ones.
can you pvt me with the vendor on E-bay or auction number you use?
I believe that I can go to Tigers Guide, or Thunders Place for Jelquing techniques - unless you believe these to be substandard?
Thanks!
Corey
buddy43610: i bought a 120 day supply of vig-rx for a couple hundred dollars with a money-back-gaurantee if not satisfied with the results after 60 days. i sent it back for a full refund because i noticed no gain at all. buddy
rikter8: [quote author=rikter8 link=board=pe;num=1059614818;start=0#5 date=10/03/03 at 16:08:10]
I'll let you know what one I choose ( Arginmax is supposed to support blood vessel growth, and Macca which is supposed to support blood flow to extremeties)
Corey[/quote]
Update - I was shoppin at Meijers and found in the vitamin iasle "Cobra" made by natural balance.
It Cost $14.00 so I thought what the heck.
I am 3 days into taking 2 pills per day, and have noticed that I am more responsive in erection stimulation.
(Note that I am also taking Prozac at the same time).
I generally am hanging lower, but this is due to being partially horned up. My erection is good, however not strong like it used to be. Hopefully I will get back to where I was.
I will continue to update you and let you know what I find.
The ingredients are as follows:
(find these pure at GNC - its better that way)
Kola Nut
Yohimbe - blood flow
OatStraw
Nettles
Eleuthero
Horny Goat Weed - blood flow
Catuaba
Muira Puama - "lower extremities"
Korean Ginseng - blood flow
Damiana
Saw Palmetto - blood flow
Corey
I'll let you know what one I choose ( Arginmax is supposed to support blood vessel growth, and Macca which is supposed to support blood flow to extremeties)
Corey[/quote]
Update - I was shoppin at Meijers and found in the vitamin iasle "Cobra" made by natural balance.
It Cost $14.00 so I thought what the heck.
I am 3 days into taking 2 pills per day, and have noticed that I am more responsive in erection stimulation.
(Note that I am also taking Prozac at the same time).
I generally am hanging lower, but this is due to being partially horned up. My erection is good, however not strong like it used to be. Hopefully I will get back to where I was.
I will continue to update you and let you know what I find.
The ingredients are as follows:
(find these pure at GNC - its better that way)
Kola Nut
Yohimbe - blood flow
OatStraw
Nettles
Eleuthero
Horny Goat Weed - blood flow
Catuaba
Muira Puama - "lower extremities"
Korean Ginseng - blood flow
Damiana
Saw Palmetto - blood flow
Corey
Having stayed with P.E. for now about three years, I can truthfully tell all of you....
There is NO pill which will in and of itself work all its own to enlarge the penis.
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rikter:
Your "common sense" is correct. The supplements seem to work best when used with a natural exercise program (including BASIC jelq techniques.)
But, be prepared to stay with a grueling program for a very long committed time. Results will come.
Regarding your purchase--I can tell you that I do know from taking a number of supplements during my three years of PE....Yohimbe, Nettles, Horny Goat Weed, Catuaba, Muira Pauma, and the Gingseng product are ALL familiar supplements benefitting genito/urinary circulation....(which aids in enlargement following exercise.) The Saw Palmetto is basically a good agent for prostate health. Zinc (no more than one 60MG daily) would be good for overall male health, too. Aids in testosterone production and helps in growth/repair of tissues)
Thundersplace is my website choice for jelq advice and guidance.TigersGuide is popular but can include more risky techniques (far too advanced!) for beginners and novice PE followers. I can't recommend that one in good conscience. Several guys (who later wrote me) have injured themselves quite innocently trying to do these advanced exercises. They took weeks to heal after often scary ordeals. I was at a loss for words to help them!
Commitment to following a regimen many, many months (and often, even years!) is the most difficult part of PE....
And, not being discouraged during plateaus when NO results seem the case. Positive thinking must prevail!
PE is very much like other forms of body building (in attitude) to get the best results.You must stay with the program...whatever it takes. Many men simply give up.
Obviously--- P.E. is not for the "faint-hearted".
There is NO pill which will in and of itself work all its own to enlarge the penis.
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rikter:
Your "common sense" is correct. The supplements seem to work best when used with a natural exercise program (including BASIC jelq techniques.)
But, be prepared to stay with a grueling program for a very long committed time. Results will come.
Regarding your purchase--I can tell you that I do know from taking a number of supplements during my three years of PE....Yohimbe, Nettles, Horny Goat Weed, Catuaba, Muira Pauma, and the Gingseng product are ALL familiar supplements benefitting genito/urinary circulation....(which aids in enlargement following exercise.) The Saw Palmetto is basically a good agent for prostate health. Zinc (no more than one 60MG daily) would be good for overall male health, too. Aids in testosterone production and helps in growth/repair of tissues)
Thundersplace is my website choice for jelq advice and guidance.TigersGuide is popular but can include more risky techniques (far too advanced!) for beginners and novice PE followers. I can't recommend that one in good conscience. Several guys (who later wrote me) have injured themselves quite innocently trying to do these advanced exercises. They took weeks to heal after often scary ordeals. I was at a loss for words to help them!
Commitment to following a regimen many, many months (and often, even years!) is the most difficult part of PE....
And, not being discouraged during plateaus when NO results seem the case. Positive thinking must prevail!
PE is very much like other forms of body building (in attitude) to get the best results.You must stay with the program...whatever it takes. Many men simply give up.
Obviously--- P.E. is not for the "faint-hearted".
serj: I am very disapointed to hear all the ignorant people who, despite other people claiming results, still claim to their little belief that penis pills do not work, even though they themselves havent tried the actual program. I can personally say that WITHOUT any jelqing or any other bizzare form of "manual" penis enlargement after 5 months of being on VigRX I have had an increase of almost 2 1/2 inches. Just VigRX that's it nothing else. If any of you are serious about penis enlargement I suggest you take a 5 month course of VigRX. If you want to look at some previous customer reviews of different enlargement products you can visit my website.
Serj
http://www.enhancementresearch.com
Serj
http://www.enhancementresearch.com
9cyclops9: [quote author=serj link=board=pe;num=1059614818;start=0#11 date=10/15/03 at 09:56:56]I am very disapointed to hear all the ignorant people who, despite other people claiming results, still claim to their little belief that penis pills do not work, even though they themselves havent tried the actual program. I can personally say that WITHOUT any jelqing or any other bizzare form of "manual" penis enlargement after 5 months of being on VigRX I have had an increase of almost 2 1/2 inches. Just VigRX that's it nothing else. If any of you are serious about penis enlargement I suggest you take a 5 month course of VigRX. If you want to look at some previous customer reviews of different enlargement products you can visit my website.
Serj
http://www.enhancementresearch.com[/quote]
Hmm..and I am very disappointed to hear the ignorant people who, despite not having tried it for themselves, still stick to their claims that manual exercises do not work, even though other people claim results. It doesn't make sense. I'm not saying pills don't work. They do, but not usually by themselves (although it CAN happen, as was apparently the case with serj). It is much more effective to take pills AND do the exercises in my experience. I gained from exercises, and not from pills, but I gained much more quickly doing both.
John
Serj
http://www.enhancementresearch.com[/quote]
Hmm..and I am very disappointed to hear the ignorant people who, despite not having tried it for themselves, still stick to their claims that manual exercises do not work, even though other people claim results. It doesn't make sense. I'm not saying pills don't work. They do, but not usually by themselves (although it CAN happen, as was apparently the case with serj). It is much more effective to take pills AND do the exercises in my experience. I gained from exercises, and not from pills, but I gained much more quickly doing both.
John
[quote author=serj link=board=pe;num=1059614818;start=0#11 date=10/15/03 at 09:56:56]
"...I am very disapointed to hear all the ignorant people who, despite other people claiming results, still claim to their little belief that penis pills do not work, even though they themselves havent tried the actual program..."
[/quote]
I'm sorry for your "disappointment", serj.
But here's yet more on my approach to penis enlargement...whether you want it or not!
I tend to not want to get ANY man's hopes up to where he would come to immediately expect fantastically-wild, wonderfully-quick results. What works well for one man may not work for the next. In penis enlargement, that is pretty much the case. There are variances in the degree of success. A number of factors are involved --way too complex to go into here. But, in quick summation, they involve tissue structure, the individual man's ability for his penile tissues to even stretch and repair (inducing cellular splitting and growth) and to some degree, the man's age and his overall health in general. While I'm no expert, over the course of time, I have done LOTS of research that has proven truly fascinating.
Penis size is too important a matter to a man, especially to one who deems himself "undersized" for whatever reason. The hopes of "getting a big one" immediately only sets a man up for another round of (taunting) emotional setbacks should it not happen. In my own humanity, I would avoid suggesting any
"guaranteed success" P.E. program to another guy--(knowing all the while myself that for him, it may not happen just that way.)
While penis enlargement is possible, it is possible only upon using good judgment and a REASONABLE plan of action and expectation. As I have noted, with my own three years of success (by natural exercises, some pumping, stretching and jelq techniques, along with a program of supplements geared to sustaining male health and tissue repair) I stand by what actually has worked for me. Admittedly, the next guy,(following the same program), may NOT have the same degree of success.
I don't know your age. If you're a young man, then your "miracle product" may have encouraged your natural time of growing abit--(maybe) even enhanced it to some degree.
Whatever... Congratulations. I'm happy for you.
However-----
(bear with me here), if.....IF this particular product prompts the stupendous, wonderfully quick results you have claimed for yourself (and it "would work for every single man alive")...I (and every other man) would have already heard about it by now...
Why, no doubt, the likes of Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, and Tom Brokaw ALL would have included such groundbreaking headlines in their national evening broadcasts....(similar to women's breast enlargement innovations). With society's views on sex changing and the attention to "men's size" in the media these days, this "hot male topic" would have risen to the forefront immediately with MUCH fanfare and propaganda from many, many sources. No doubt, it would have even surpassed Viagra in notoriety and popularity.
Now, honestly------this hasn't happened, has it?
Speaking for myself (more so than picking a fight with you), I guess I just tend to be cautious in enticing (or innocently misleading!) other men to make a run for any one single "penis-growing product". Even more important to me (I think) is my being especially careful to avoid over-encouraging guys into expecting overnight results. --Honestly, my conscience would bother me....I mean, I couldn't (knowingly) treat another guy that way. I just couldn't. (Seems cruel)
As much as every man wants his penis B-I-G, I really want to believe most of us guys are truly not THAT gullible to believe all the "super-size-it" hype we hear daily...especially on the internet and all that SPAM.
Hey. --Give us some credit. We're smarter than that!
I'd rather not waste my time (or another man's!) for me to start leading him to expect the sheer impossible. Doing so only tends to be insulting and even further demeaning to the already fragile male ego.
The world's tough enough for us guys regarding our penis and our obsession over "size".
We don't need any more empty, false trails to happiness as men -- leaving us yet into only another deeper wilderness of further despair.
"...I am very disapointed to hear all the ignorant people who, despite other people claiming results, still claim to their little belief that penis pills do not work, even though they themselves havent tried the actual program..."
[/quote]
I'm sorry for your "disappointment", serj.
But here's yet more on my approach to penis enlargement...whether you want it or not!
I tend to not want to get ANY man's hopes up to where he would come to immediately expect fantastically-wild, wonderfully-quick results. What works well for one man may not work for the next. In penis enlargement, that is pretty much the case. There are variances in the degree of success. A number of factors are involved --way too complex to go into here. But, in quick summation, they involve tissue structure, the individual man's ability for his penile tissues to even stretch and repair (inducing cellular splitting and growth) and to some degree, the man's age and his overall health in general. While I'm no expert, over the course of time, I have done LOTS of research that has proven truly fascinating.
Penis size is too important a matter to a man, especially to one who deems himself "undersized" for whatever reason. The hopes of "getting a big one" immediately only sets a man up for another round of (taunting) emotional setbacks should it not happen. In my own humanity, I would avoid suggesting any
"guaranteed success" P.E. program to another guy--(knowing all the while myself that for him, it may not happen just that way.)
While penis enlargement is possible, it is possible only upon using good judgment and a REASONABLE plan of action and expectation. As I have noted, with my own three years of success (by natural exercises, some pumping, stretching and jelq techniques, along with a program of supplements geared to sustaining male health and tissue repair) I stand by what actually has worked for me. Admittedly, the next guy,(following the same program), may NOT have the same degree of success.
I don't know your age. If you're a young man, then your "miracle product" may have encouraged your natural time of growing abit--(maybe) even enhanced it to some degree.
Whatever... Congratulations. I'm happy for you.
However-----
(bear with me here), if.....IF this particular product prompts the stupendous, wonderfully quick results you have claimed for yourself (and it "would work for every single man alive")...I (and every other man) would have already heard about it by now...
Why, no doubt, the likes of Dan Rather, Peter Jennings, and Tom Brokaw ALL would have included such groundbreaking headlines in their national evening broadcasts....(similar to women's breast enlargement innovations). With society's views on sex changing and the attention to "men's size" in the media these days, this "hot male topic" would have risen to the forefront immediately with MUCH fanfare and propaganda from many, many sources. No doubt, it would have even surpassed Viagra in notoriety and popularity.
Now, honestly------this hasn't happened, has it?
Speaking for myself (more so than picking a fight with you), I guess I just tend to be cautious in enticing (or innocently misleading!) other men to make a run for any one single "penis-growing product". Even more important to me (I think) is my being especially careful to avoid over-encouraging guys into expecting overnight results. --Honestly, my conscience would bother me....I mean, I couldn't (knowingly) treat another guy that way. I just couldn't. (Seems cruel)
As much as every man wants his penis B-I-G, I really want to believe most of us guys are truly not THAT gullible to believe all the "super-size-it" hype we hear daily...especially on the internet and all that SPAM.
Hey. --Give us some credit. We're smarter than that!
I'd rather not waste my time (or another man's!) for me to start leading him to expect the sheer impossible. Doing so only tends to be insulting and even further demeaning to the already fragile male ego.
The world's tough enough for us guys regarding our penis and our obsession over "size".
We don't need any more empty, false trails to happiness as men -- leaving us yet into only another deeper wilderness of further despair.
serj: First of all 9cyclops9 I never said that manual exercises do not work. I said that VigRx worked for me without manual exercises. benderten2001 I agree with you on the fact that what works for one man may not work for another. I do want to mention that the main reason why penis enlargement pills have not surpassed the popularity of Viagra is because as far as I know Viagra provides immediate results for almost everybody, penis enlargement pills on the other hand take time and do not work for everybody. Also I do not know how long Viagra has been around, but penis enlargement pills are a relatively new concept and sometimes it takes time to catch up. With more research, improvement on the product, and time I'm sure penis enlargement pills will have a Tom Brokaw Exclusive soon enough. Great thread by the way.
Serj
http://www.enhancementresearch.com
Serj
http://www.enhancementresearch.com
prepstudinsc: I don't want to be ugly or disrespectful, but this sure sounds like a sales ploy for enlargement pills.
According to everything I've read, the manual excercises are the only thing that really works. As for me, I'm happy with what I've got, so I see no need to enlarge. My 10" is plenty, there's no point in me having more.
According to everything I've read, the manual excercises are the only thing that really works. As for me, I'm happy with what I've got, so I see no need to enlarge. My 10" is plenty, there's no point in me having more.
junk792: [quote author=prepstudinsc link=board=pe;num=1059614818;start=0#15 date=10/28/03 at 11:43:03]I don't want to be ugly or disrespectful, but this sure sounds like a sales ploy for enlargement pills.[/quote]
Agreed. I'm particularly suspicious of someone who links to his own website which sells the products in question - twice - and tries to have us believe anything he says. But then again I'm distrustful by nature.
Agreed. I'm particularly suspicious of someone who links to his own website which sells the products in question - twice - and tries to have us believe anything he says. But then again I'm distrustful by nature.
cute24yo: OK, soo after looking through alot of natural penis enlargement sites and looking at the messages on here. I have to wonder if theres not just a big "Jelqing" fan group on here. Not to offend anyone but either way I have seen no evidence to confirm or deny that Jelqing or penis pills actually work. Right now I don't what to tend to belive, that natural penis enlargement exercises really work or that pills really work. Seems like with Jelqing all you are doing is forcing blood into the penis going from the shaft to the head of the dick. But doesn't pumping do just that? Yet I seem to hear all sorts of negative things about pumping on the natural enlargement sites. Seems like these days you can't get a non biased opinion about anything! Is there anyone NON biased out there that actually knows what works and what doesn't. Or are we as men left to wonder whether pills, pumping or jelqing really work?
junk792: From what I've heard pumping can work but may or may not be permanent - depends on how long/how often. Jelqing seems to work too, again depending on the exercises used. It might be more permanent for some reason.
One problem with pumping is that it appears to be more dangerous - you keep a vacuum too low for too long and you burst capilaries, etc. causing problem. I imagine Jelqing could do that too but since it's your hands it's hard to imagine squeezing really hard for hours, whereas with pumping it's easier to overdo it.
I've never pumped but I've tried some jelqing and sometimes after a heavy session I'd see small black spots on my penis - most likely burst capillaries. They went away in a couple of days and it wasn't painful, just a little tender.
So in either Jelqing/pumping there are risks but I'd say both are safe if you take it easy... So take care!
One problem with pumping is that it appears to be more dangerous - you keep a vacuum too low for too long and you burst capilaries, etc. causing problem. I imagine Jelqing could do that too but since it's your hands it's hard to imagine squeezing really hard for hours, whereas with pumping it's easier to overdo it.
I've never pumped but I've tried some jelqing and sometimes after a heavy session I'd see small black spots on my penis - most likely burst capillaries. They went away in a couple of days and it wasn't painful, just a little tender.
So in either Jelqing/pumping there are risks but I'd say both are safe if you take it easy... So take care!
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