Do you agree with this article from pink news

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    Gay bars should be gender segregated. Men (including transmen) only or women only.

    If people want to mix with other genders they can go to any old straight bar.
     
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    No, I don't agree. The article is odious and patronising. Gender segregation is a bad idea too imo.
     
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    Agree, I think it should be only for gay men (not transmen). I went to a gay bar once and a women started touching me so i had to leave.
    Also there are also other articles where women say they are groped by "gay" men (aka bisexuals) so to avoid all that drama, women shouldn't be allowed.
     
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    But if we're going down that road, would we accept that gay people should be banned from straight bars in case we create “drama” or only admitted if we abide by a particular code of conduct? The article doesn’t upset me but I think it's going in the wrong direction. That kind of sexuality-based proscription and prescription is what we're trying to escape from, imo.
     
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    No this article is telling the truth is telling straight people how to respect gay people at gay clubs Have you see straight women disrespecting gay men Straight women sexually assault gay men at gay clubs
     
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    Straight Folks, There Are Some Spaces You Don't Belong In Lotta gay people agree with this article to are you can’t get upset about this one
     
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    You Believe straight women are being groped by gay men ? The same Straight women who say this are the same ones who Gay men to sleep with them And sexually assault gay men
     
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    I mean Straight girl who want to sleep with gay men
     
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    Straight people have been going to gay bars for decades. Personally I've never seen anything inappropriate happen. The only thing I would say is that if a straight guy goes to a gay bar/club he shouldn't be surprised or offended if he gets hit on, however that doesn't mean that he should hit on a guy without telling the guy that he is straight or experimenting. I have gone to straight bars/parties and hit on guys and got totally rebuffed, which shouldn't have surprised me.

    I think we live in an age where labels are falling to the wayside. If someone goes out and finds another person attractive they should be able to talk to that person, flirt if it seems appropriate and see where it goes. If the response is "I'm not gay" the answer should be "I didn't say you were, but are you attracted to me?"
     
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    Gay people need safe spaces. While straight people should be welcome, they also need to understand that they're guests in someone else's safe space and should act accordingly.

    There was a story recently about a decades-old gay bar in Atlanta where some straight woman wandered into the "back room," was accidentally groped in the pitch dark, got offended and called the police. The club has now been shut down. That woman had no business being somewhere where she didn't understand the culture, the rules, and that she wasn't welcome. Thanks to her ignorance, the gay community lost a critical cultural hub that was pivotal in the lives of thousands of gay men who discovered themselves there. She's no different than a klansman burning down a black church... she destroyed something out of ignorance and lack of respect.

    Straight Folks, There Are Some Spaces You Don't Belong In

    "The fact is, everyone needs permission to be in bars that don’t cater to them. You are a guest. There are cultural zones for certain demographics that are intentionally exclusionary — not out of hate, fear, or prejudice, but because everyone deserves space, and you must respect it. Straight women: If you don’t like this, go literally anywhere else in the world. Wherever you go, you can be assured that there will be straight people there.

    "Gay men don’t know what that’s like. Queer people don’t know what that’s like. We are strangers in the world. Walk through a shopping mall and find one storefront that assumes we’re buying, not you. That’s why we create gay bars and gayborhoods and gay hotspots. It’s the only time in life we feel like we’re not some threatened, invisible minority."​
     
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    This article is a load of tosh.

    And why is it that people who bang on about "safe spaces" always live in the most liberal, progressive, non-threatening environments where they hardly need protection?

    My motto in life is, "In your lifetime, meet as many people who are not like you as you can". I am opposed to segregation of any kind. It perpetuates ignorance and tribalism between groups. It's only by understanding others that you can truly learn about oneself.
     
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    How lovely for you! I'm sure Bristol is a utopia that allows you to be so myopic. But in much of the rest of the world it's not a matter of tribalism, it's a matter of trying to survive if you're not in the dominant tribe. Even here in San Francisco we still have gay bashings. A friend of mine was threatened by a group of straight people just about 100 yards from a gay club in the Castro just a few weeks ago.

    It's very easy for you to dismiss the need for safe spaces if you've never needed one, never been desperate to not feel alone or afraid. Maybe take your confident and self-actualized gay ass to the streets of Jakarta, Moscow, or Riyadh, and make out with your boyfriend. Then tell me what you learn about yourself and the need for safe spaces, assuming you live long enough to have any epiphanies.
     
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    Hmm. A lot of ignorance in this thread but also some very valid comments for both sides of the argument.

    Personally, I think it's gotten out of hand. It's reached a point in London now where a lot of the time we're totally outnumbered and it turns into a game of "spot the gay" in our own bars. I'm not okay with that.

    I'm tired of the hen parties , the obnoxious straight women getting loud and sloppy and the straight men who follow them. I go to gay bars and clubs to be around other gay people, irrespective of gender.

    Straight people have HUNDREDS of places to hang out where they are with like-minded people whilst we still only have a handful.

    We want to surround ourselves with our people, our culture and perhaps even meet a special someone on a night out and thats becoming increasily difficult with the abundance of straight people packing our bars up to the point where gay people can't even get through the door.

    Just recently we went out in Soho where we were surrounded by straight people all night and my friend, a lesbian, harassed by some straight guy who actually thought he had a chance.

    On the other hand, our businesses make money from them and our clubs/bars turn more of a profit and hopefully remain open for longer.

    I think it should be up to management at these clubs / bars to ensure that straight people are accompanied by someone who is gay and that they also make sure to limit the number of straight people allowed access. It's not about segregation or heterophobia - It's about ensuring that the venue remains true to the environment and the clientele it primarily caters to.
     
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    Thank you very much I definitely agree with you
     
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    How about Pakistan? I spent two weeks there in October with my husband. We made friends (straight friends) who are totally cool with us. In fact, they support LGBT rights.

    The world is going to be hateful if you look for the hate.

    If you look for peace, love and tolerance, you might find that instead.

    Gosh, you're an angry, shouty, aggressive man. Chill out.

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    Ahhh here's a cute picture of my husband and me at Badshahi Mosque in Lahore. Don't we look sweet? FB_IMG_1539107799816.jpg
     
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    This idea that straight women are sexually assaulting gay men is a silly fantasy. “Safe spaces” are a load of wank. I'm delighted if straight people want to come to gay bars and would hope they are happy for gay people to frequent straight bars. It means we accept and are comfortable with each other. It is the breaking down of stigma and sexual identity barriers. Isn't that what we want? Or do you just want segregation?
     
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    Yes you do :)
     
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    Last year, we went to Myanmar. Homosexuality is illegal there too. But we booked double rooms with hardly a batted eye. We made friends there too.

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