Do you believe any 9/11 conspiracy theories that indicate the U.S. government was inv

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jeff black said:
I worry that the Government had an idea about 9/11 and did nothing. I worry more that the government knew about 9/11 and let it happen as an excuse to Work the USA into a frenzy, in order to justify a war AND stealing oil.
If anybody still believes that an airplane hit the pentagon, then I do think for sure that the majority of the American people are wondering aimlessly in the dark like moses without a clue.
 

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hottxboi16 said:
I was on msnbc.com today and saw this question and out of 33k someodd responses there was a suprisingly large amount of yes answers...well i thought...
I believe people who believe such theories are stupid.

Signed,
A sometimes Anarchist who is pissed off at both ends of the spectrum.
 

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Anarchists are like nihilists, they believe in nothing and are opposed to everything. Do you know what the word anarchism refers to? Are you fighting for labor rights and the marxist philosophy? I think you just listen to punk music and don't know much about world affairs. But I could be wrong... I don't want to judge you (might be a cool dude). I just wish anarchists were more aware of the roots of their movement and not just repeating sex pistols lyrics (not you, just other "anarchists" I have known).
 

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look i am not trying to put down the Bush,but i think we all need to get real with this issue.he came into office wanting to get back at Suddam in 2000.i myself watched as this man took his oath of office.thinking in my mind that we would be in Iraq once again.what daddy did not finish he was damn sure going too.we all know that that election was fixed,but like they say.money talks,and bullshit walks.our president is white trash with money.he has been a major screw up since day one.9/11 gave him the platform to mess with American minds to scare the hell out of everone enough to have them see things through his eyes,snd to get his political agenda pushed through.what does not surprise you about this man.he is an ego maniac.while new orleans flooded he was on vaction playing golf.this man claims to care for the american people.when in fact he has set this country back at least 20 years.yeah i know alot of people out there did not like Bill Clinton.however i would have rather had a president who got his cocked sucked in the oval office.than this howdy doody wanta be we have in office now.it's pretty bad when some of his own political party is now questioning his actions.that has got to get you to stop,and think my friends.i honestly feel that he may have known something about 9/11,but thought it was just alot of hot air.my friend who was in the navy worked at the Pentagon.he was killed on 9/11.i pray for Kris's family that our leaders did not know about the attacks.no one deserved to lose their lives on that day.i am sorry to be going on about this,but i have lost friends in Iraq,and have an older brother there.risking his life for a war that in my opion was forced upon the wrong people.ever day we do not know when,or if someone will knock on our door to tell us my brother has been hurt.or worse killed.
 

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To be honest with everyone, conspiracy theories are worthless. They do nothing and they are nothing, they have no power. The people have the power. Bottom line is that AMERICANS HAVE BEEN STICKING THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND for too long! It isn't a conspiracy theory that we had a coup take place on 911 it's a FACT and the longer we call it a conspiracy theory, the longer we have our heads in the sand. There is nothing we can do about it except for one thing. The republicans are going to win the next election in 2006 with our use of electronic voting machines. All we can do at this stage is either REVOLUTION, or something much more sensible like writing your representitive and tell them to institute an accountability system like some sort of countable peice of paper. Our lives in America are so cushy that we will do NOTHING to save ourselves and others if it means a disruption of our lifestyle. This country will continue to go downhill unless we do a LITTLE SELF GOVERNING and exercise our rights as individuals. GO OUT AND EXERCISE YOUR DEMOCRACY BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.
 

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tripod said:
Anarchists are like nihilists, they believe in nothing and are opposed to everything. Do you know what the word anarchism refers to? Are you fighting for labor rights and the marxist philosophy?
My usage of "Anarchist" was flippant and nonserious. I thought that would have been apparent. I have a vague idea what the Anarchist Movement of the late 1800s, was about. And it doesn't represent my views. In reality I'm cranky and totally disgusted with today's vile politics as usual, including the public's part in it. The meanness written earlier in this thread is despicable.

If you look at my "90% factor" you'll know I have disagreements with the current administration. But they are humans - something that might be unknown to some of the writers - and I cannot buy into Bush and associates being involved in or tacitly allowing the attacks.
I think you just listen to punk music ...
For instance: Nigel Kennedy?
... and don't know much about world affairs.
O.K. Let's you and I discuss the situation in East Timor Indonesia. Synopsis: Once again unrest is stirring despite U.N. intervention and a recent influx of troops and police from Australia independent of the U.N. efforts.

Your take on that? Please quote from memory without referring to any news or other web sites, as I did above.
 

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Do I think the Bush administration had a hand in this activity?

Absolutely.

Do I think they benefitted financially from the towers falling - Absolutely.
Why were the remains of the crash debris carted away secretly behind closed doors never to be seen again?
Why were so many loved ones murdered for corporate hunger and greed.

I think they knew about it, and let it happen, if not directed it.
How else do two huge towers crumble ontop of themselves in a controlled demolition state?

Theres more than any of us will ever know, but it's going to take Americans to stand together to demand answers to these questions.

But, that can never happen as americans are too passive.
I laugh at people trying to make laws to stop burning the American Flag, when it's those lawmakers that are lighting the first match.

Now Congress has passed the laws to allow "bugging" of all new electronics produced.
So that means, that new TV in your living room is listening in on you, Watching you, and monitoring every move.
Feel comfy?
While your sitting on that sofa, ready to eat that ham sandwich...think about the new Law the FDA just passed too... You know, the new chemicals they will be spraying on Deli Meats to kill all "Bacteria".
Eat up.

The system is corrupt. Americans allowed it to be corrupt.
You Voted for him - so now you have him. Don't Bitch.

God help us all.
 

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Flippant and Nonserious would render everything I said mute wouldn't you say? Tried not to seem confrontational but I probably crossed the line, sorry. Now let's see...East Timor? Well the Indonesians are colonial bastards and have been messing around there for years...fighting rebels in a ceaseless "war on terrorism". Banda Ache (I hope I spelled that right, probably not) was the location of a nasty massacre in the early 90's that involved the the savage beating of journalists Alan Nairn and Amy Goodman. This incident spawned a resistance movement that has been brutally repressed to this very day. I have no idea what particular incident sparked the unrest that you speak about, so I am not nearly as current as you, but I tried. Let me not invoke anymore of your wrath.
 

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tripod said:
The republicans are going to win the next election in 2006 with our use of electronic voting machines.
Palm Beach County, where I used to live, would be a place to watch. They converted to 100% electronic equipment w/o paper trails by 2002. The majority of the registered voters are democrats. Let's see what happens there.
 

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[ Nigel Kennedy?

His name didn't ring a bell at first but I followed your link and remembered that I first heard him on a Jimi Hendrix tribute album...he is absolutely amazing. Him being Yehudi Menuhin's protoge was crazy... cool Steve!
 

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In my opinion 11 September was brought to you by the feckless foreign policy of the Clinton administration and his failure of a Secretary of State, Madelyn Albright. We had an opportunity to take out Bin Ladden prior to 11 September, but Clinton and Albright chose to waste that opportunity. They warned the government of Pakistan well in advance of the planned attack on OBL, who in turn leaked the plan to OBL and his evil followers. Brilliant.
 

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coopturn said:
In my opinion 11 September was brought to you by the feckless foreign policy of the Clinton administration and his failure of a Secretary of State, Madelyn Albright. We had an opportunity to take out Bin Ladden prior to 11 September, but Clinton and Albright chose to waste that opportunity. They warned the government of Pakistan well in advance of the planned attack on OBL, who in turn leaked the plan to OBL and his evil followers. Brilliant.

Oh my god, that's awful.

Or it would be, if there was a shred of truth to it.
 

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rob_just_rob said:
Oh my god, that's awful.

Or it would be, if there was a shred of truth to it.
Actually, I pick "all of the above." Clinton tripled the budget on anti-terrorism, created the Anti-Terrorism unit as a cabinet position, asked to be briefed on it every day, and was determined to protect the country from it. However, it is clear that he either missed a valuable opportunity to get Bin Laden early on, or he lacked the influence in his waning days in office to counteract the reluctance of the military to do what they saw was a law enforcement mission (Which is what Richard Clarke said in his book about it.).

On the other hand Bush's administration came into office and immediately demoted the Anti-Terrorism group to some backwater and ignored the entreaties to pay attention to it as a problem for some 8 months into their administration. They had Bin Laden in their sites post-9/11 and also seemed to miss the opportunity. Finally, everyone knows Bin Laden is in Pakistan, being protected by the Pakistani government who we continue to count as our friend and ally.

Meanwhile we went to Iraq to fight some other war and help create the world's largest terrorist breeding ground.

So, I pick "All of the above."
 

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JustAsking said:
Actually, I pick "all of the above." Clinton tripled the budget on anti-terrorism, created the Anti-Terrorism unit as a cabinet position, asked to be briefed on it every day, and was determined to protect the country from it. However, it is clear that he either missed a valuable opportunity to get Bin Laden early on, or he lacked the influence in his waning days in office to counteract the reluctance of the military to do what they saw was a law enforcement mission (Which is what Richard Clarke said in his book about it.).

On the other hand Bush's administration came into office and immediately demoted the Anti-Terrorism group to some backwater and ignored the entreaties to pay attention to it as a problem for some 8 months into their administration. They had Bin Laden in their sites post-9/11 and also seemed to miss the opportunity. Finally, everyone knows Bin Laden is in Pakistan, being protected by the Pakistani government who we continue to count as our friend and ally.

Meanwhile we went to Iraq to fight some other war and help create the world's largest terrorist breeding ground.

So, I pick "All of the above."

What HE said...before 9/11, most of the main in power couldn;t conceive of something so fiendishly simple and effective. So, they worried more about international image and playing nice nice, than they did about taking out a declared enemy combatant, under the rules of war. Post 9/11, the main power base used it as an excuse to grab personal power and opportunity to build personal wealth. If you think anybody above the level of neighborhood comittee leader gives a shit about anybody but thier close little circle, you;ve never known anybody in politics...ok--so I'm a cynic, but I got this way by observation, not opinion....:biggrin1:
 

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JustAsking said:
Actually, I pick "all of the above." Clinton tripled the budget on anti-terrorism, created the Anti-Terrorism unit as a cabinet position, asked to be briefed on it every day, and was determined to protect the country from it. However, it is clear that he either missed a valuable opportunity to get Bin Laden early on, or he lacked the influence in his waning days in office to counteract the reluctance of the military to do what they saw was a law enforcement mission (Which is what Richard Clarke said in his book about it.).

On the other hand Bush's administration came into office and immediately demoted the Anti-Terrorism group to some backwater and ignored the entreaties to pay attention to it as a problem for some 8 months into their administration. They had Bin Laden in their sites post-9/11 and also seemed to miss the opportunity. Finally, everyone knows Bin Laden is in Pakistan, being protected by the Pakistani government who we continue to count as our friend and ally.

Meanwhile we went to Iraq to fight some other war and help create the world's largest terrorist breeding ground.

So, I pick "All of the above."

Right on there. Clinton was a lame duck by the time he realised how severe the threat really was- he knew he'd have a tough time, being on his way OUt of office to rally the kind of support that would be necessary to wage such a coup, so he did what he could to spot check the terrorists with what intelligence he had. It worked pretty well.

Bush came along and cut the budget for anti-terrorism efforts, then WENT ON FUCKING VACATION for eight goddamned months- then had the audacity to blame Clinton for 911! It really boggles the mind. Gee, I can't IMAGINE why a terrorist organisation like Al-quaeda might have seen us as vulnerable then, can you?

Call me a conspiracy theorist, and left-wing nutjob, tinfoil hat wearer- I've heard it all before, but if you honestly believe your government is looking out for your best interest, then I'm calling you a moron.

The Bush family and the Bin Ladens have been business parters through the Carlyle Group since the 80s- folks, if you're still confused- follow the money. Who profited? Even street cops ask that question when solving the simplest crime, but apparently it's just too goddamned tough for anyone else to figure out. I'm so sick of my ignorant fellow americans.:mad:
 

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madame_zora said:
The Bush family and the Bin Ladens have been business parters through the Carlyle Group since the 80s- folks, if you're still confused- follow the money. Who profited? Even street cops ask that question when solving the simplest crime, but apparently it's just too goddamned tough for anyone else to figure out. I'm so sick of my ignorant fellow americans.:mad:

makes one wonder why osama has not been caught five years after the crime. maybe some don't want him caught? with our military and intelligence services overloaded with money, it should not be that hard.