Do you believe any 9/11 conspiracy theories that indicate the U.S. government was inv

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dcwrestlefan said:
makes one wonder why osama has not been caught five years after the crime. maybe some don't want him caught? with our military and intelligence services overloaded with money, it should not be that hard.

Haha, especially that time we had him cornered in a goddamned CAVE and still couldn't find him! *priceless*

He's not supposed to be caught, because then how could we justify spending BILLIONS of dollars looking for him? Oh, the silliness of it all.

Don't you just love how the 911 commission report came out and stated that there was NO link between Iraq and the 911 attack? Oops, now that we've been there for several years, it's kind of a moot point. That was one of the "conspiracy theories" that the republifucks claimed the dems made up, but turns out it's completely true. Funny how honesty can be called "conspiracy theory" when all we have to go on are Administration lies!

I have an idea- let's re-institute Truth-in-journalism (that Reagan did away with) as a LAW, and watch the propaganda clear. THEN I'l be interested in what you fucktards have to say.
 

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I find that there is much room for doubt when it comes to government and trust.

The Oklahoma City bombing has an eerie lack of credibility. A truck bomb using diesel and fertilizer could not have wrought the all of damage that day. Yet the investigation never solved just what happened. General Partin concluded as much (see link). So who laid the demolition charges that must have been there? Why was the bomb site evidence secreted away or destroyed?

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/ok2.htm

Is it significant that the same company that demolished and removed under security the remains of the Oklahoma building also demolished and removed the "evidence" at the World Trade Centre Towers? Controlled Demolition are undisputed experts at the top of their field, and they handled both jobs. There are firefighters who deplore the speedy destruction of the evidence before complete analysis was undertaken.

Conspiracy theorists pose that the lack of data is intentional and points to cover-ups at the highest levels.

Keep the fear levels high enough and you can motivate the population to follow all kinds of gutting of liberty and constitutional rights. That was in play before Bush during Clinton's tenure, though Bush has made it far more extreme.

As far as the multitudes of conspiracy theories that abound, there are many that seem like paranoid delusions, products of wing nuts — and quite possibly crafted disinformation laid out as sucker bait by the CIA or FBI to muddy the waters even more. I don't expect to gain any conclusive information — ever.

The Kennedy assassination is still hopelessly muddy 43 years later. There is even a conspiracy theory that George HW Bush was (under deep cover, of course) commanding a CIA operation with Cuban right wingers in Miami during the Bay of Pigs period that was directly involved with taking Kennedy down.

These crises amount to assaults on the American psyche that are seen by some as brutally prepping the patient for brainwashing or behavior control.

But nothing is nearly effective as television, flouride in water and mass vaccinations. :rolleyes:
 

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G W Bush rigged the election!

if 10% of Mike Moore doc is right the world it is a sad world. i think more than

JW Bush is STUPID, Rumsfeld is the evil one. G Bush senoir is also evil.

The Bush family and Bin Laden family are too close.

i don't doubt 9/11 happened but the current US government has alot to answer for.

BTW USA can not leave until the mess the created in Iraq is fixed.

The Australian government is even stupider for following Bush.

I am worried about the world the now live in thanks to these fucked arseholes.
 

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I'm glad I'm a happy go lucky dimwitted fucktard republican. In my world, day to day living is pretty fun.

I think our elected officials, from whichever party, reflect us. And as a whole, I don't think we're that bad a bunch.

I feel bad for y'all. Maybe Hillary will get elected next time and y'all can be happy too!
 

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I'm a democrat and have flippin' had it with Hillary... she is a HAWK and insensitive. Her bid for the presidency is a nightmare wating to happen. George Allen is through... so the arena is now vacant for a succesful McCain run. There is really no difference between McCain and Hillary... same politician, although Hillary has a bigger set of balls and probably a bigger dick.
 

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Shelby said:
I'm glad I'm a happy go lucky dimwitted fucktard republican. In my world, day to day living is pretty fun.

I think our elected officials, from whichever party, reflect us. And as a whole, I don't think we're that bad a bunch.

I feel bad for y'all. Maybe Hillary will get elected next time and y'all can be happy too!


Well, ignorance IS bliss. That's exactly how I think most republicans feel Shelby, so I'm sure you're in good company.

I can assure you that they don't represent ME, and I find a whole lot objectionable about the members of our "society", but that's probably only because I'm not a white Christian, Bible-thumping non-gay male.
 

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tripod said:
I'm a democrat and have flippin' had it with Hillary... she is a HAWK and insensitive. Her bid for the presidency is a nightmare wating to happen. George Allen is through... so the arena is now vacant for a succesful McCain run. There is really no difference between McCain and Hillary... same politician, although Hillary has a bigger set of balls and probably a bigger dick.

As ignorant as I'm sure this will sound, what exactly to you have against Hilary? Just once, I'd like to hear specifics instead of just accusing her of being a bitch. On behalf of "bitches" everywhere, it grows tired. Any woman who speaks her mind gets branded with that label, and I wish I knew what she DID that makes you so uncomfortable, instead of just who she is (a tit-bearing mammal).
 

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Well... I didn't call her a bitch,I just made a joke at her expense. She was at a dinner about three years ago and was telling a joke and said, "Ghandi...you all know Ghandi right? He owns a convenience store around the corner!" She thought she was being funny and she was being an ASS. She has never apologized for voting for the war and has made it clear to the establishment and military industrial complex that there she would surely bomb as many foreigners as they could round up. I know that's an exaggeration, but she is falling prey to the same double standard that Margaret Thatcher fell to in the 80's. She is overcompensating for being seen as weak by the other male assholes in Washington and has inturn outdone all of them with her hawkish stances. I love women and think men are, for the most part, fairly ridiculous. I thought that she would never get the nomination and it looks like it is hers for the taking (she has more money than any other democrat). I just think she is cold and abrasive, but a way better person than Condolice Rice. I hope that clears up my stance on Hillary, don't want to piss off the great Madame Zora because reading her posts, we have VERY similar positions on just about everything. So, I am making mysekf clear and waving the white flag.
 

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Perhaps why some in the dem party seem to be running so hard & fast in the other direction from Hillary has its roots in the following, which, as the MasterCard people say, is priceless:




Wednesday, August 9th, 2006

It's All About Who You Sleep With ... a Cautionary Note from Michael Moore



Friends,

Let the resounding defeat of Senator Joe Lieberman send a cold shiver down the spine of every Democrat who supported the invasion of Iraq and who continues to support, in any way, this senseless, immoral, unwinnable war. Make no mistake about it: We, the majority of Americans, want this war ended -- and we will actively work to defeat each and every one of you who does not support an immediate end to this war.

Nearly every Democrat set to run for president in 2008 is responsible for this war. They voted for it or they supported it. That single, stupid decision has cost us 2,592 American lives and tens of thousands of Iraqi lives. Lieberman and Company made a colossal mistake -- and we are going to make sure they pay for that mistake. Payback time started last night.

I realize that there are those like Kerry and Edwards who have now changed their position and are strongly anti-war. Perhaps that switch will be enough for some to support them. For others, like me -- while I'm glad they've seen the light -- their massive error in judgment is, sadly, proof that they are not fit for the job. They sided with Bush, and for that, they may never enter the promised land.

To Hillary, our first best hope for a woman to become president, I cannot for the life of me figure out why you continue to support Bush and his war. I'm sure someone has advised you that a woman can't be elected unless she proves she can kick ass just as crazy as any man. I'm here to tell you that you will never make it through the Democratic primaries unless you start now by strongly opposing the war. It is your only hope. You and Joe have been Bush's biggest Democratic supporters of the war. Last night's voter revolt took place just a few miles from your home in Chappaqua. Did you hear the noise? Can you read the writing on the wall?

To every Democratic Senator and Congressman who continues to back Bush's War, allow me to inform you that your days in elective office are now numbered. Myself and tens of millions of citizens are going to work hard to actively remove you from any position of power.

If you don't believe us, give Joe a call.

Yours,

Michael Moore


Here is the link, to this and his website in general: www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php
 

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tripod said:
Well... I didn't call her a bitch,I just made a joke at her expense. She was at a dinner about three years ago and was telling a joke and said, "Ghandi...you all know Ghandi right? He owns a convenience store around the corner!" She thought she was being funny and she was being an ASS. She has never apologized for voting for the war and has made it clear to the establishment and military industrial complex that there she would surely bomb as many foreigners as they could round up. I know that's an exaggeration, but she is falling prey to the same double standard that Margaret Thatcher fell to in the 80's. She is overcompensating for being seen as weak by the other male assholes in Washington and has inturn outdone all of them with her hawkish stances. I love women and think men are, for the most part, fairly ridiculous. I thought that she would never get the nomination and it looks like it is hers for the taking (she has more money than any other democrat). I just think she is cold and abrasive, but a way better person than Condolice Rice. I hope that clears up my stance on Hillary, don't want to piss off the great Madame Zora because reading her posts, we have VERY similar positions on just about everything. So, I am making mysekf clear and waving the white flag.

You guuuuuuys, you worry too much, I only asked for clarification.:tongue: Thanks for explaining why you feel the way you do, I just wondered. I haven't met too many men who like her, and I usually wonder why. She's not exactly my hero, but she's better than many. I'd still prefer Gore.

Hell, I tell Gandhi jokes (Get your Gandhi bars here), but then again I AM Indian. He was just a guy- he did a lot of good, but there are even quite a few Indians who don't like him much. Some are angry that he didn't do away with the Caste system when he could have, but at least he did speak often about the need to stop classifying the lowest caste "untouchable". It sounds grotesque, but it was progress for the time. I think what he did was remarkable, but he's hardly "untouchable" in the land of jokes, nor is anyone else (including Jesus, and I like him a great deal too).

The war. I believe her stance is that she resents being lied to, but based on the facts as they were presented at the time, she made the best decision she could. I believe she has said that she wouldn't make the same decision now, but that hardly matters since we ARE there and pulling out quickly could cause Iraq to plunge into a bloodier civil war that what our occupation is causing.

I have not studied military strategy to any respectable degree, so I can neither agree nor disagree with that from a military standpoint, but as a personal opinion I want us to get the fuck out of there asap. I think she's making the same mistake the dems have made in the last two elections, trying to pose herself as a centrist (which she really is) when what might work better is offering the people an alternative rather than a lesser of two evils. She's not my first choice, but I'll vote for her if she wins the dem nomination. Thanks for indulging me.
 

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brainzz_n_dong said:
Perhaps why some in the dem party seem to be running so hard & fast in the other direction from Hillary has its roots in the following, which, as the MasterCard people say, is priceless:

lol. And it seems like some GOP senators and former secretaries of state with actual combat experience are running even faster from GWB. Also priceless:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/14/congress.tribunals/index.html