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Do you believe in extra terrestrials?
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American astronauts explored the moon--so by definition they were "extra-terrestials." So, ya, I believe.
hockeyguy741
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LOL......:smile:
There coming and gonna harvest us for food
meh...they are not going to harvest me...i have too much THC stored in my system so whoever tried to eat me would probably wind up completely fucked up to the point of being unable to steer their spacecraft.
Phil Ayesho
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Yes there are aliens, somewhere in the universe.
NO, they are not here.
There is not credible evidence of them being here, and the Roswell was crafted to create this stupidity for no other reason than to make any eyewitness reports of experimental military aircraft totally unreliable and useless to foreign intelligence operations.
The tendency to believe this kind of hogwash is identical to conspiracy theorists of all brands... and that included the peculiar conspiracy theories we call "religion".
Thoughts of aliens stem from the exact same human idiocy that makes us hope Angels and Ghosts are real.
NO, they are not here.
There is not credible evidence of them being here, and the Roswell was crafted to create this stupidity for no other reason than to make any eyewitness reports of experimental military aircraft totally unreliable and useless to foreign intelligence operations.
The tendency to believe this kind of hogwash is identical to conspiracy theorists of all brands... and that included the peculiar conspiracy theories we call "religion".
Thoughts of aliens stem from the exact same human idiocy that makes us hope Angels and Ghosts are real.
yet strangely, you said that there are aliens in your first line...so how do you then say that aliens stem from human idiocy, if they are real? Are you suggesting that extra-terrestrial life, is then nothing more than a product of the same thought process that created the supernatural?
How is it the exact same human idiocy to think of aliens, when you say there are aliens, somewhere in the universe?
does not make much sense there Phil.
unique_exposure
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Life here in ships here? Not sure.
Yes I do, on many layers, but not most. My discerning intellect (who is a tough cookie) is patient with me on this, but not as much as before.
I probably believe in them a lot more than the average Joe who's first reaction would be to make a joke about anal probing or cow ass (though can still be fun jokes).
Yes I do, on many layers, but not most. My discerning intellect (who is a tough cookie) is patient with me on this, but not as much as before.
I probably believe in them a lot more than the average Joe who's first reaction would be to make a joke about anal probing or cow ass (though can still be fun jokes).
If anyone knows for sure if flying saucers exist its obviously the united states air force. They have jet planes in the air 24/7 covering the earth. Their planes must have logged trillions of miles by now. They're the ones who investigate ufo reports and who are responsible for our lives.
So you have to assume they are either telling the truth that flying saucers don't exist { at least here } or they are covering it up. If they are covering it up it is a very serious matter and a very complicated matter. They would be lying to congress , the media and the american public. That would involve many legal issues and many layers of government. And this cover-up would have lasted generations and involved hundreds if not thousands of personnel. There would have to be layers of paperwork and steams of computer data. How anyone could cover up this amount of data seems impossible. And they probably would have contacted scientists at mit , sandia , harvard etc. How and why these scientists could and would keep this information a secret further complicates a very tangled web. Then they would be contigency plans and paperwork. The office of budget management would scrutinize their budget. Not to mention hackers , moles , spies , financial incentives of revealing the information etc. Its a secret that would seem impossible to hide.
So you have to assume they are either telling the truth that flying saucers don't exist { at least here } or they are covering it up. If they are covering it up it is a very serious matter and a very complicated matter. They would be lying to congress , the media and the american public. That would involve many legal issues and many layers of government. And this cover-up would have lasted generations and involved hundreds if not thousands of personnel. There would have to be layers of paperwork and steams of computer data. How anyone could cover up this amount of data seems impossible. And they probably would have contacted scientists at mit , sandia , harvard etc. How and why these scientists could and would keep this information a secret further complicates a very tangled web. Then they would be contigency plans and paperwork. The office of budget management would scrutinize their budget. Not to mention hackers , moles , spies , financial incentives of revealing the information etc. Its a secret that would seem impossible to hide.
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As usual, Phil makes perfect sense.
It is definitely religious-type human idiocy that leads people to believe accounts of encounters on earth that lack any credibility.
We do not yet know how common life is in the universe. But surely the right conditions must occur at least occasionally.
He made perfect sense
It is very a very rational stance
- there is no evidence for aliens every visiting, the USAF allowed all sorts of ridiculous stories to develop around Roswell. It was deliberate. They were test flying experimental and secret aircraft from the base the misinformation was a good way of avoiding any reliable accounts of anything getting reported anywhere. Similar stuff happened in the UK, they recently released the previously top secret papers relating to UFO sightings - none were alien and all had rational explanations.
- The universe is vast and there may be as many as a billion of habitable planets similar to our own. We are pretty sure life starts when ever the conditions are right and evolution will then take over. It is highly likely if not inevitable that life exists elsewhere.
- The universe is vast and you would need to have a very good reason to spend thousands of years travelling to visit earth.
So let me get this right, there are aliens in the Universe but they aren't here? Says who? If people on Earth have space travel then other Universes may have it to and they may have gotten here. They may even be in solar systems, galaxies, universes which were in place before life on earth began and may have landed in a space travel ship before Earth got sophisticated radar and tracking machines.
You leave the door open to possibility the moment you said they exist in the Universe. People on Earth don't hold the rights to space travel and we don't necessarily have a superior intelligence and science culture over other Universes. Maybe there really are cloaking devices technology which could get a few space crafts in or they are of materials which our instruments cannot detect? The person who slams the door shut on possibility slams the door shut on life and of a future.
no he did not make perfect sense.
the universe is indeed vast, however, time travel in theory is totally possible, and are you suggesting it is not possible for an advanced civilization to understand how to possibly leap the time/travel distance?
and perhaps their "good reason" is the same as our reasons for sending probes, space telescopes, etc...discovery, exploration, curiosity.
You say it as a "very rational stance"...no it is not. you say there is no evidence for aliens ever visiting...true...but you say they exist, yet there is no evidence of that either.
so they may have visited...how do you know? you do not even know they exist, so how would you know if they visited?
You claim, like Phil, that they exist, but that they have never visited...do you have the secret files from their culture? If an alien race was so advanced as to travel thousands of light years, don't you think they have the technology to outwit you and Phil Ayesho as to their presence?
are you and phil monitoring their possible movements? You do not know if htey have managed to cloak their travel, but it is a safe bet that creatures who have learned to travel through the universe with enough ease to use wormholes, tremendous speed, etc. would have figured out how to avoid our radar, and to remain less visible in some way.
the fact is, that you cannot claim that they exist with certainty, based on the scientific likelihood of life throughout a billion other solar systems, and then claim with equal certainty that they have never been here.
I do not believe most of the UFO encounter nonsense, but, it is safe to say, that if we can fly stealth fighters at night that can rarely be detected by our most powerful radar, it is highly likely that an advanced race that has learned to travel through space with far greater efficiency than we can, can avoid our detection too, and likely, rather easily.
you cannot say that they exist somewhere, yet have never been here, because you do not have those facts in your possession.
they probably do exist, and they may very well have been here. Neither you or Phil know if they have been, and neither do i...but your certainty, is laughable.
You do not even know where Russian submarines are operating at this moment...would you have a better idea of where the aliens were if they visited?
There have been probability studies on the chances a random flying saucer{s} has or will visit earth. I'm not too familiar with them but i can speak on general terms.
If you're talking about a ufo visiting from venus or within our universe/solar system that's not a problem. But no one , as far as i know , believes intelligent life exists in our ten or so planets circling the sun.
But if you're talking about outside our universe/solar sytem { don't quite know the difference } from what i recall the chance are one in millions. A ufo would have to travel for hundreds if not thousands of years { they might be light years } , i believe , at the speed of light per second. There might be limits to science. This has been discussed. This might never be possible. It would take a very hardy soul or race to survive this sort of stress. You talk about jet lag. And you would have to have a life span of hundreds or thousands of years. What do you eat ? Do they have vending machines ? What do you do for hundreds of years. I wouldn't want to spent hundreds of years with captain kirk . Now if you're talking about pam anderson you can sign me up.
I believe , supposely , that science through math. modeling has proven the existence of other dimensions. So they may be visitors from other dimensions. But again science may have limits. There was a pbs show on time travel years ago. They weren't talking about time travel to the past but rather the " beam me up scotty " sort of time travel. Worm holes and black holes and who knows what else ? But they mentioned that albert einstein in his theory of relatively wrote that time travel was impossible.
If they were flying saucers , in theory , they would be the greatest threat known to mankind. We would be at their mercy and good will. Or they could provide us with who knows what. The attempt to contact them through seth is one big gamble. A gamble that cannot fail.
If you're talking about a ufo visiting from venus or within our universe/solar system that's not a problem. But no one , as far as i know , believes intelligent life exists in our ten or so planets circling the sun.
But if you're talking about outside our universe/solar sytem { don't quite know the difference } from what i recall the chance are one in millions. A ufo would have to travel for hundreds if not thousands of years { they might be light years } , i believe , at the speed of light per second. There might be limits to science. This has been discussed. This might never be possible. It would take a very hardy soul or race to survive this sort of stress. You talk about jet lag. And you would have to have a life span of hundreds or thousands of years. What do you eat ? Do they have vending machines ? What do you do for hundreds of years. I wouldn't want to spent hundreds of years with captain kirk . Now if you're talking about pam anderson you can sign me up.
I believe , supposely , that science through math. modeling has proven the existence of other dimensions. So they may be visitors from other dimensions. But again science may have limits. There was a pbs show on time travel years ago. They weren't talking about time travel to the past but rather the " beam me up scotty " sort of time travel. Worm holes and black holes and who knows what else ? But they mentioned that albert einstein in his theory of relatively wrote that time travel was impossible.
If they were flying saucers , in theory , they would be the greatest threat known to mankind. We would be at their mercy and good will. Or they could provide us with who knows what. The attempt to contact them through seth is one big gamble. A gamble that cannot fail.
I believe there is something out there.
I am currently reading a book about ancient Sumer and Mesopotamia.
There are too many coincidences.
Someone was here, long ago. This is documented in Cuneiform and art that depicts the solar system quite accurately some 4,000 years before Christ.
When I lived in the south, I saw lights in the night sky moving in erratic patterns. My dad told me about what he saw, balls of light that flew so low in the sky: "They scorched the tops of the Pine trees".
Someone or something is out there.
I am currently reading a book about ancient Sumer and Mesopotamia.
There are too many coincidences.
Someone was here, long ago. This is documented in Cuneiform and art that depicts the solar system quite accurately some 4,000 years before Christ.
When I lived in the south, I saw lights in the night sky moving in erratic patterns. My dad told me about what he saw, balls of light that flew so low in the sky: "They scorched the tops of the Pine trees".
Someone or something is out there.
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