Do You Believe in God?

Do you believe in God?

  • yes

    Votes: 338 51.1%
  • no

    Votes: 324 48.9%

  • Total voters
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All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid--
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.

Amen.

It's a fair question. :smile:
 

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All things dull and ugly,
All creatures short and squat,
All things rude and nasty,
The Lord God made the lot.
Each little snake that poisons,
Each little wasp that stings,
He made their brutish venom.
He made their horrid wings.

All things sick and cancerous,
All evil great and small,
All things foul and dangerous,
The Lord God made them all.

Each nasty little hornet,
Each beastly little squid--
Who made the spikey urchin?
Who made the sharks? He did!

All things scabbed and ulcerous,
All pox both great and small,
Putrid, foul and gangrenous,
The Lord God made them all.

Amen.

It's a fair question. :smile:


That's is cool
 

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I believe in God as anyone who has read many of my posts know. I know people who are atheists and I respect them. (For clarification, atheists don't believe there is a God, Creator or anything remotely related to this concept that would include any kind of thinking or moral ability. Agnostics on the other hand, take no position on whether or not there is a God. Agnostics believe they have no proof a God exists and no proof that God does not exist.)

I have known many very moral atheists. Their sense of what is right and wrong is in line with what some religions would consider right and wrong. They believe in virtues such as love, honesty, integrity, compassion and the list goes one. They also believe in just the opposite such as hate, jealousy, dishonesty, etc.

I have seen some hints of atheists stating that they don't believe in any universal truths both positive such as honesty and negative such as dishonesty. While I don't agree with that, I would find interest is a discussion of that concept.

There is the idea of what is right for me or wrong for me and that is all that matters. The problem with that is I believe it is right to kill all people who don't speak English. well....no it isn't. And to me shouldn't there be a baisc list of moral actions that a culture agree that is right that is not based on either a belief or lack of belief in a God?

I taught social studies and one of the components of a culture is a set of beliefs that the vast majority of people accept as the norm for that culture. Stealing something goes against the norm in our culture. A person can go to jail for steading.

If there is enough interest in this topic we can start a new thread devoted to this discussion.
 

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I believe in God as anyone who has read many of my posts know. I know people who are atheists and I respect them. (For clarification, atheists don't believe there is a God, Creator or anything remotely related to this concept that would include any kind of thinking or moral ability. Agnostics on the other hand, take no position on whether or not there is a God. Agnostics believe they have no proof a God exists and no proof that God does not exist.)

I have known many very moral atheists. Their sense of what is right and wrong is in line with what some religions would consider right and wrong. They believe in virtues such as love, honesty, integrity, compassion and the list goes one. They also believe in just the opposite such as hate, jealousy, dishonesty, etc.

I have seen some hints of atheists stating that they don't believe in any universal truths both positive such as honesty and negative such as dishonesty. While I don't agree with that, I would find interest is a discussion of that concept.

There is the idea of what is right for me or wrong for me and that is all that matters. The problem with that is I believe it is right to kill all people who don't speak English. well....no it isn't. And to me shouldn't there be a baisc list of moral actions that a culture agree that is right that is not based on either a belief or lack of belief in a God?

I taught social studies and one of the components of a culture is a set of beliefs that the vast majority of people accept as the norm for that culture. Stealing something goes against the norm in our culture. A person can go to jail for steading.

If there is enough interest in this topic we can start a new thread devoted to this discussion.

Iam agnostic but i think that morality is more complicated than that.
For example some people believe that killing animals is wrong and most people believe is okay to kill animals. Actually is hard to be aware of what is wrong sometimes apart for the obvious things.
 

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You start it Freddie, and I will contribute.

I consider the concept of godness a fallacious human invention/short cut escape from ignorance, unlike happiness which I can feel and create in others. Though spiritualityness (lol) exists as an abstract human feeling like happiness. I consider morals flawed but respect ethics.

Do you believe in morals?
 

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What would happen if in the future someone proves without doubt that god dont exist?

Then we wouldn't exist.

We exist because there is God.

Deny that God exists (and really mean such a belief) and you destroy yourself. We can't exist without God. The poll result at the top of this thread is very sad, with approaching half of people clicking a belief that God does not exist.

Maybe a lot of the issues are with some of the silly characteristics that organised religion attaches to God.
 

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There is the idea of what is right for me or wrong for me and that is all that matters. The problem with that is I believe it is right to kill all people who don't speak English.

No you don't. Don't lie to us in a blatant attempt to shock people with outrageous statements. It's an old tactic that only works on the stupid.

And, yes, I saw that you next typed, "well....no it isn't."
 

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Then we wouldn't exist.

We exist because there is God.

Deny that God exists (and really mean such a belief) and you destroy yourself. We can't exist without God. The poll result at the top of this thread is very sad, with approaching half of people clicking a belief that God does not exist.

Maybe a lot of the issues are with some of the silly characteristics that organised religion attaches to God.

No we dont . If you think about it carefully you we realize that we werent created by god. We are born from our parents and our parents from their parents and so on . You answer give me a glimpse of what will happen if in the future is confirmed that god dont exist . Most people will deny that and will continued to believe in god regardless.
 

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It is interesting to me to listen to the many reasons given for not believing in God or for not having faith of any sort. One of the most frequently offered reasons is that the concept of God and faith is not logical and defies rational thinking!

I will be the first to agree with that idea. But, the point that is missed by so many people , believing there is no God, is that God and faith often are not conscious choices on the part of believers!

I fought belief in God, Christianity and any kind of faith for most of my life.
I stopped fighting it once I realized that it had simply, without my awareness, blindsided me and taken over in my heart and my mind, while I was otherwise occupied!

I believe the concept that faith is not rational can not be argued against; on the other hand, to argue against faith is a losing argument as well!
Faith merely exists, is powerful and faith cannot easily be shaken!
Faith is not of man's doing, faith is of God's doing and that is mighty!
 

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I wasn't going to mention it because it is so complex and technical but i thought everyone should know and judge for themselves. Everyone has seen it but few know what it really is. It is one of mexico's symbols and is printed on those religious glasses that contain candles. And you might not believe it but you're not going to debunk 500 years of investigations by nobel prize winners { chemistry and physics } , scientists , art professors , artists , researchers from ibm , xerox etc , MIT professors , physicians etc etc. It is from what i understand a mystery to science. It is a painting/picture/image of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The artist SUPPOSELY is none other than the Blessed Virgin Mary herself.
I'll be as brief as i can. I'm also not writing a paper on this but i'll try to be as factual as possible. Juan Diego , a poor farmer i believe, was walking down a dirt road in the 15th century in guadalupe, mexico when he hear a chorus group singing hymns. In that group was a woman who claimed she was the Blessed Virgin Mary. She asked him to ask the bishop of mexico to built a church on that spot so she could console worshippers. He did as asked but not surprising the bishop did not believe him. He asked Juan for a bundle of roses as proof. At the time roses were out of season. He also had Juan followed. He returned to the Blessed Virgin Mary and she told him to go to the top of the hill. There he found roses growing and placed them in a cloth of tilma { i believe made of cactus fibers }. He then returned to the bishop and as he was unfolding the tilma the "image" before their eyes instantly appeared. The bishop weeped and asked forgiveness for doubting the story.
Now the story and existence of Juan Diego are in doubt. The TILMA and the image on it are not. There have been hundreds of investigators and dozens of investigations {hundreds of tests}. Some of the tests done are highly technical. Basically no one has been able to explain how it was done or why the image has remained in pristine condition for 500 years despite the fact it was surrounded by smoke from candles , lepers presented it against their skin , soldiers placed their weapons on it, flood waters engulfed it , a bomb explosed one or 2 feet below it , it was in the open acidic air of lake guadulape for one hundred years and ammonia burned a hole in it { supposely it repaired itself }. Normally tilma disintegrates after 15 years.
As as example of the technical nature of the investigations Alfonso Marcue , an official photographer of the old Basilica found what seemed to be a clear image of a bearded man { Juan Diego } in one of the eyes in the image { i call it an image because no paint strokes have been found in the original image - however it has been enchanced by other artists{those enchancements have faded and cracked} - a piece of the original matter was given to 2 nobel prizes winners - they said it wasn't paint and were unable to identify the material }. He couldn't believe what he saw and informed the basilica. Unable to believe their eyes they kept it a secret. In 1956 Dr.Buneo an ophthalmologists confirmed the image in both her eyes. Even more startling is that the images are exactly in the same position they would be found in live human eyes and exhibit the same triple reflection { samson-purkinje } that live eyes have and that " the distortion of the images agree with the curvature of the cornea ". One ophthamologist described the eyes as looking strangely "alive". The MIT teams may have found what appear to be human veins in her eyes { i've heard of the report but never read it } . Anyway lots lots more but you get the idea. I thought it might be good to know in any case.
 

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I wasn't going to mention it because it is so complex and technical but i thought everyone should know and judge for themselves. Everyone has seen it but few know what it really is. It is one of mexico's symbols and is printed on those religious glasses that contain candles. And you might not believe it but you're not going to debunk 500 years of investigations by nobel prize winners { chemistry and physics } , scientists , art professors , artists , researchers from ibm , xerox etc , MIT professors , physicians etc etc. It is from what i understand a mystery to science. It is a painting/picture/image of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The artist SUPPOSELY is none other than the Blessed Virgin Mary herself.
I'll be as brief as i can. I'm also not writing a paper on this but i'll try to be as factual as possible. Juan Diego , a poor farmer i believe, was walking down a dirt road in the 15th century in guadalupe, mexico when he hear a chorus group singing hymns. In that group was a woman who claimed she was the Blessed Virgin Mary...........
As as example of the technical nature of the investigations Alfonso Marcue , an official photographer of the old Basilica found what seemed to be a clear image of a bearded man { Juan Diego } in one of the eyes in the image . One ophthamologist described the eyes as looking strangely "alive". The MIT teams may have found what appear to be human veins in her eyes { i've heard of the report but never read it } . Anyway lots lots more but you get the idea. I thought it might be good to know in any case.


I had never heard this story before. It seems to be one of numerous examples of faith based miracles which are truly inspirational to a believer!
 

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Faith is a result of conditioning - every religion meets the criteria of a "cult."

God is a ridiculous idea that used to make sense, but only until science proved other things responsible for the same phenomenae.

Does anyone here think thunder is caused by Thor throwing hammers? I think not.
 

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I clicked YES on the poll because I do. I was also interested to see what the yes/no split was, thinking it'd be over 90% yes.

I couldn't believe it when I saw it was a 55/45 split!

Damn.

That's all I can really say.:confused:
 

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Faith is not of man's doing, faith is of God's doing and that is mighty!

Circular nonsense.

So faith defies human reason because it arises not from within man, but from the object of itself?

Wait...it gets better! When you consider that human capacity for reason itself is derived from the notion that we were "made in god's image," yet the source itself is the one entity to which this reason cannot be applied...oh, fits of laughter!

This, to me, is the mental equivalent of dogs chasing their own tails.

No, the idea of god exists because of human reason, not in spite of it. Like many forces in nature, our sense of reason abhors a vacuum, and things for which we have little or no understanding demand explanations. Religion and mythology represent a paradigm for understanding existence and purpose constructed by mankind in his infancy as a social animal. I tend to believe as Kuhn does, that such paradigms are not changed gradually or peaceably, but are shifted in revolutionary leaps...and that individuals generally lack the capacity to follow such shifts, clinging instead to the models familiar to them until death. As we trudge toward our social and technological adolescence, as our understanding of nature evolves progressively, the trappings of superstition will continue to die away with each passing generation until the god of Abraham takes his rightful place alongside Zeus on Olympus.