I wanted to try and clairify my thoughts a bit better. I was talking to subgirrl this morn and as she was telling me her description of her floaty place. She was saying that it was the opposite of RD'd and mine (as she stated here). I would say that here description of losing who she is, the " I no longer have any connection to the person I think of as me", is not inherently opposed ot what I feel (I will let RD speak for himself). When I say it feels like I am arriving at the real me, the one who is unencumbered by everything, I see it as not so much the opposite of what she is expereincing, but maybe the other side of the same coin.
I'm beginning to think we are maybe experiencing the same thing but from different angles.
It has taken the better part of a year to really concentrate enough to be able to describe it. And that was only through RD's prodding me to In doing so I find that I can't enter it as easily, or stay as long. For me (very unlike Mr. RD) I can't analyze it and stay there at the same time, lol!
RawDog has been good for both of us in that way :biggrin1:.
I also have trouble with the memory/concentration thing. I don't even have your photographic recollection to help me out. To remember the specifics of a session, I have to come out of the floaty place at the time it's happening, encoded the event, then go back to floating. And the encoded memory isn't overly clear anyway, because I'm still somewhat effected by the floatiness when I do the encoding. See what I'm giving up for you guys when you ask me to remember specifics for later storytelling? :tongue:
I can reverse chain the events later. I can key into my (thankfully!) wonderful memory and look at it from that vantage. I can almost get there through thinking of it, but haven't tried:redace:
Despite my lack of memory of specifics, I CAN get there again by thinking of it. The physical sensation of floating and the associated sexual feelings come back as clear as they were at the time, and can easily trigger an orgasm. But ask me to tell you exactly what was going on at the time and I'm fucked.
If the two aren't linked can you be in the floaty place and never experience an orgasm? For MrsR it seems to be linked. She gets into this trance, keeps moving has an orgasm, keeps moving has another orgasm, keeps moving, etc. It's like instead of peaks and valleys it's peaks and almost peak, then peak, then almost peak. her orga-orga-orgasms.
Clarification: Orgasm is not required for me to float - I can, and do, reach the floaty place without orgasm. Would I stay there for long without orgasms? I really don't know. The floaty place comes from sexual stimulation (although that doesn't need to be touch), and sexual stimulation leads to orgasm. So even if I get to the floaty place BEFORE orgasm, orgasm won't be long behind it.
And I've had many, many orgasms over the years without an accompanying floaty place. The floaty place is special.
I know your deep spot is the spot for you as well, but is it the only spot? In other words were your FB and this past partner rubbing your backstop as ferociously?
Oh, it definitely not the only spot!!! For orgasm or floating. I don't need physical touch or sex itself to access the floaty place. When I get to my FBs house, he speaks and I float, before he has even touched me. Easy as that. Or if he calls, as soon as his voice gets that deeper tone that signifies sex, I float.
With the past partner I mentioned, he wasn't even big enough to reach my deep spot. And I still floated. Lots. The mindfuck is by far the most important factor for me (although physical ability and the ability to hit my deep spot really, really helps).
On the other hand, I've had much sex, including sex where my deep spot was stimulated, and many orgasms, without floating at all. The mindfuck was absent, and the technique wasn't good enough to make up for it.
Totally agree with this. In fact it's gotten much worse/much better/more intense for us. Since we're both feeling it simultaneously, we feed off of each other's high. Not sure what this would be like if only one of us was floating and the other wasn't.
Well, duh, it would still be a good time, I guess.
Good, even brilliant, but probably nowhere near as special.
When MrsR and I first got together I literally freaked out (and got soft almost immediately) the first few times she came. They were full body/all out crying orgasms. She later explained that it was indescribable and intense. I need to send her a copy of this whole thread.
:biggrin1::biggrin1: This sounds familiar. My FB has told me that he was a little freaked out by me at first.
I'd love to hear what MrsR has to say on the topic of the floaty place.
This may explain why we clutch each other so tightly when we float. We are each other's safety net. I almost can't stand masturbating anymore because of how empty it makes me feel. I mean masturbating relieves the congested feeling I have behind my balls, but it doesn't give me the fix that sex in the floaty place does.
My FB is my safety net!!! But then that's sort of what scares me :redface::redface:. The fact that I even need one. The fact that my entire being relies on him and needs him at that moment.
I agree about masturbating. I have never once had floaty place access through masturbation. I guess a toy just doesn't have the ability to mindfuck me :tongue:.
I feel I know you a little better now. :smile:
I think my explanations of the floaty place are getting more clear the more we talk about it.
I'm not sure how to say this without sounding full of myself, but I've had FB's who've fallen in love with me after the sex when we already agreed to keeping it as FB's. How do you maintain an FB relationship *after* realizing this floaty place?
Can't speak for Nico and I've told you this before, but for the benefit of anyone else who's interested - I keep firmly in my mind the fact that floating and warm fuzzies following sex are not love. They are a physiological result of hormones and neurotransmitters.
Mine is similar in that there is a definite boundary to when it starts. But I feel it more like two ships joining in space when the docking clamps engage, and there's like a vacuum seal between the two. <-- That was my piss poor attempt at a description, but plugging into the Matrix is something I've already over-used.
I love your plugging into the matrix analogy! I also have a definite boundary. It's rather like going from being dead sober to completely drunk in one sip.
Orgasms feel good, end of story.
No offense to those who feel this way... but making them into some sort of pseudo-mystical out of body experience is a bit over the top.
How do you explain those of us who float without orgasm?
Possibly; it may be my brain just isn't wired that way. I never got much out of recreational drugs either - apparently I wasn't using the "right kinda" drugs.
It's possible that your brain is resistant to other state experiences *resists the urge to email certain lecturers to ask if this is actually physiologically possible*. Did the drugs not have an effect, or did you just not like the effect?