Germany aproved gay men to be in military and have sex with same partners, why not here in america?
Do you have, a Military Story
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wispandex_bulge
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I have two...Pardon the lack of detail, but this isnt a porno...
There was a guy whom I hooked up with (he was gay). He told me that when he was in the service, his corpmate or roommate was very well hung (12+) and one time this corpmate asked the guy whom I hooked up with to fuck him. Lets just call the guy I met "Larry" because the whole "guy whom I hooked up with" thing is getting old. So anyway Larry and this guy built up a little relationship. The hung guy went on to get married but kept Larry in his life by inviting him to the wedding and getting together occaisionally. Larry said that the big guy would allways alow Larry to fuck him, but woudl never fuck Larry himself because in his mind, that would be cheating on his wife.
Conclusion: The Human brain is beyond comprehension and often irrational.
There is a couple (two guys) whom I met online a few years ago. At some point in our conversations, I asked how they met. They had met while in the service. I dont remember the full details, for all I know they might have met online themselves. In any case, they were actually able to build a relationship while still active.
Conclusion: Gay men can be in the military, they just have to be discreet.
"Don't ask, don't tell" isnt really unfair in the sense that is doesn't really affect the status quo. Most gay men can pass as str8 men most of the time. The sad thing is that it bars openly gay but well suited men from joining, and it can unfairly lead to dishonorable discharge.
There was a guy whom I hooked up with (he was gay). He told me that when he was in the service, his corpmate or roommate was very well hung (12+) and one time this corpmate asked the guy whom I hooked up with to fuck him. Lets just call the guy I met "Larry" because the whole "guy whom I hooked up with" thing is getting old. So anyway Larry and this guy built up a little relationship. The hung guy went on to get married but kept Larry in his life by inviting him to the wedding and getting together occaisionally. Larry said that the big guy would allways alow Larry to fuck him, but woudl never fuck Larry himself because in his mind, that would be cheating on his wife.
Conclusion: The Human brain is beyond comprehension and often irrational.
There is a couple (two guys) whom I met online a few years ago. At some point in our conversations, I asked how they met. They had met while in the service. I dont remember the full details, for all I know they might have met online themselves. In any case, they were actually able to build a relationship while still active.
Conclusion: Gay men can be in the military, they just have to be discreet.
"Don't ask, don't tell" isnt really unfair in the sense that is doesn't really affect the status quo. Most gay men can pass as str8 men most of the time. The sad thing is that it bars openly gay but well suited men from joining, and it can unfairly lead to dishonorable discharge.
Too many right wing religious nuts in the USA for that to happen soon.
- Wrey,
I think there are perhaps many of us on the site that have a military story or two. I know I do. There are a number of threads on the site concerning the "don't ask don't tell" line of B/S the American public was fed during the Clinton administration.
For me, it was the first time I had trully felt the stony, back-handed bitch-slap of prejudice. It gave me a different outlook on people here in the states who live with that feeling every day of their lives. It really hurt at first and it took me (honestly) a few years to get over, but in the end it made me stronger. It was a shaping trauma that showed me my metal, and my metal is strong!
For me, it was the first time I had trully felt the stony, back-handed bitch-slap of prejudice. It gave me a different outlook on people here in the states who live with that feeling every day of their lives. It really hurt at first and it took me (honestly) a few years to get over, but in the end it made me stronger. It was a shaping trauma that showed me my metal, and my metal is strong!
Actually, you won't get a dishonorable discharge for being gay- you get an honorable if your service was indeed honorable. I suppose there are instances where you could get fucked over for having gay sex, but those are the same situations in which they'd nail your ass for having straight sex (sex in a submarine or on a ship, for example)
As to DADT, surveys have shown that the majority of the military would be comfortable serving with openly gay folks, it's just the ppl in charge (*cough* Peter Pace *cough*) that have the issues.
Of course there's homophobia still in the military, but it's not as endemic as you would think. In fact, when I first got stationed here I was in a class and one of my fellow airmen thought it was appropriate to ask "What's so honorable about being gay?" when informed that gay ppl normally, in fact, do get honorable discharges. Half the class laughed at this disgusting comment. Later, we had to give a speech and I chastized him for dishonoring brave Americans who had died for our country and who just happened to not be straight. Later, a number of people came up to me to give me props for my speech and call me brave. Also, for every homophobic comment I hear nowadays I hear at least one person talk about how gay people don't bug them, so you could make an argument either way.
As to DADT, surveys have shown that the majority of the military would be comfortable serving with openly gay folks, it's just the ppl in charge (*cough* Peter Pace *cough*) that have the issues.
Of course there's homophobia still in the military, but it's not as endemic as you would think. In fact, when I first got stationed here I was in a class and one of my fellow airmen thought it was appropriate to ask "What's so honorable about being gay?" when informed that gay ppl normally, in fact, do get honorable discharges. Half the class laughed at this disgusting comment. Later, we had to give a speech and I chastized him for dishonoring brave Americans who had died for our country and who just happened to not be straight. Later, a number of people came up to me to give me props for my speech and call me brave. Also, for every homophobic comment I hear nowadays I hear at least one person talk about how gay people don't bug them, so you could make an argument either way.
wispandex_bulge
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It was a shaping trauma that showed me my metal, and my metal is strong!
The word you are looking for is mettle as opposed to a shiny solid...
Principessa
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Because as much as I love my country it is full of and ruled by narrow-minded idiots.
- Wrey,
Not quite correct. With as many military and ex-military members of LPSG as there are, Im surprised that Im the first to catch this one.
The four discharges that one may expect to receive upon completion (or in some cases, non-completion) of ones tour of duty are as follows:
1) Honorable.
2) General under honorable conditions.
3) General under other than honorable conditions.
4) Dishonorable.
For being gay, one receives a General under honorable conditions discharge. This may sound like splitting hairs, but when the hairs are your own they tend to sting.
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