Do you know what i say to pro-lifers?

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Abortion is a living hell, nobody ever wants to have one. It's a degrading, dehumanizing and disgusting procedure for everyone involved.

It's a massive decision to have an abortion and 99.9999% of women approach it with great trepidation, anxiety and heartache.

To introduce excessive legality and red tape into this delicate and mournful process is just backwards thinking.

Of course, we all know that pro-life types only label themselves as pro-life because they feel it signifies and enhances their moral superiority. Coming out against abortions doesn't make anyone more humane or kind... it's bloated narcissism and logical fallacy that leads them to believe that they are morally superior to others. The I am pro-life therefore I am good sort of correlation equals causation is what's at work here.

The answer was always to empower women in society and allow motherhood to be a more certain and predictable affair. The other answer is a better safetynet for poor mothers, longer paid maternal leave, paternal leave... you know baby business like they do in EUROPE. The USA likes to keep it 3rd world for the poor yet state of the art for the rich.

I've never met a woman who had an abortion that didn't have it 100% for economic reasons... they felt that they couldn't afford the baby and had no means of support during the process. Supporting and empowering mothers would have prevented all of those abortions.

And I don't see ONE FUCKING pro-life piece of shit ever come out for empowering mothers. They don't because they are patriarchal authoritarian narcissists.
 
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Abortion is a living hell, nobody ever wants to have one. It's a degrading, dehumanizing and disgusting procedure for everyone involved.

Tripod, this is an outrageously false and enormously exaggerated statement. How many clinical abortions have you had? How many clinical abortions have you performed? You do not have the right nor the experience to make such a claim, but then I see that many here think you're impaired. What'll it be today, Tripey, lithium or Latuda?
 

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Tripod, this is an outrageously false and enormously exaggerated statement.

False and exaggerated like how?

How many clinical abortions have you had? How many clinical abortions have you performed? You do not have the right nor the experience to make such a claim...

You have the debating ability of an old rusty nail. This is an "Appeal to Accomplishment" and is a genetic fallacy of the highest order.

... but then I see that many here think you're impaired. What'll it be today, Tripey, lithium or Latuda?

Again with the lame debating maneuvers... this is an Ad Hominem attack and just shows that you have no class and the social graces of a monkey.

It's really rather sad how you can't compose your thoughts into coherent and informative statements that inspire debate and understanding. You'd rather come here to troll people's posts and sling insults to members whom have never meant you any harm.

You're on my shit list now.
 

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And save a TON of cash each year by doing so which can then fund the criminal establishment called Planned Parenthood. Not sure how that name fits because they are really in the business of destroying parenthood. By killing the fetus and harvesting their bodies for fu&King money.
 

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@Silver so you are saying that crushing the head of a 8 month old fetus in order to kill it is humane?? Or killing a fetus to harvest their parts for money is ethical? of having multiple abortions because people can keep their legs closed is just well birth control??? If that's the case it is truly unfortunate and you should have been aborted long ago.

For liberals who run around and chastise everyone else it is amazing that they would condone abortion. It is truly baffling how the liberal mind works. So we kill a fetus but keep a criminal, we chastise police for doing their job but applaud PP for selling organs, they put a bakery out of business because they would not make a wedding cake for a gay couple, yet late term abortion due to a change of mind is just great. Liberals are some sick minded people. They spit on returning military and kiss the ass of Sharpton. They chant for the death of police officers but use the law to force business owners to provide goods. Liberal is a sickness. Let's just make Utah the liberal state. Build a wall and put all the liberals there. I would give it less than 5 years and they would all be extinct.
 

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Yes, she does receive some. So are you saying this cost justifies abortion?
No Sir. Explain to me how my post about your friend receiving "some assistance" from the county, led to your assumption that I was implying the cost justifies abortion? You understand what I mean? Let me explain; the OP titled the thread, "Do you know what I say to "Pro-Lifers'?" The Op's 1st post was, "You raise the kid"
Then in your posts, you shared about your friend and then asked if child support was the real issue here. My reply, why shouldn't it be; using your friend as an example, illustrating even Pro-Lifers need "some assistance" in raising Foster Kids..
Foster Kids are Foster Kids for many many different reasons. It sounds like you are assuming that Foster Kids are the alternative to an abortion.
 

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And save a TON of cash each year by doing so which can then fund the criminal establishment called Planned Parenthood. Not sure how that name fits because they are really in the business of destroying parenthood. By killing the fetus and harvesting their bodies for fu&King money.
Yes, at least that's what the "undercover video" shows..I seem to remember you getting upset with these kind of videos in another thread; but I guess you've changed your mind, hunh?

Just google(that's the name of the "search engine") ;"What can aborted fetus parts be used for" and count how many links talk about the same "undercover video"
 

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tripod said:
1.Abortion is a living hell,
2. nobody ever wants to have one.
3.It's a degrading, dehumanizing and disgusting procedure for everyone involved

These are three categorical statements for which you offer no proof or documentation.
Number 1 is an emotional metaphor, not a fact, not a valid or supportable definition.
Number 2 is easily disproved by the number of voluntary abortions performed.
Number 3 is an opinion a.) for which you offer no evidence and b.) with which there is no general agreement or convincing documentation.

and tripod wrote '...members whom have never meant you any harm.'
Did you ever have a high-school course in English grammar?

Sincerely,
The monkey with no class or social graces.
 

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@Silver so you are saying that crushing the head of a 8 month old fetus in order to kill it is humane?? Or killing a fetus to harvest their parts for money is ethical? of having multiple abortions because people can keep their legs closed is just well birth control???

I never said anything of the sort, Clinton.
 
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No Sir. Explain to me how my post about your friend receiving "some assistance" from the county, led to your assumption that I was implying the cost justifies abortion? You understand what I mean? Let me explain; the OP titled the thread, "Do you know what I say to "Pro-Lifers'?" The Op's 1st post was, "You raise the kid"
Then in your posts, you shared about your friend and then asked if child support was the real issue here. My reply, why shouldn't it be; using your friend as an example, illustrating even Pro-Lifers need "some assistance" in raising Foster Kids..
Foster Kids are Foster Kids for many many different reasons. It sounds like you are assuming that Foster Kids are the alternative to an abortion.




The Op’s thread topic (Do you know what I say to pro-lifers?) followed by his lead entry (you raise the fuckin kid.) can easily be interpreted to show animosity toward the pro-life position and to degredate the value of the child. The statement also implies a second issue; that the parents of the child should escape responsibility for its creation.

If this was not your understanding of the OP’s lead comments then our communication has failed.
 

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You are conflating opinion with value. You are insinuating pro-life values their opinions over the health and well being of women. The phrase, "escape responsibility for its creation" , I've never read before. Another blatant anti-woman epitaph
 

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The Op’s thread topic (Do you know what I say to pro-lifers?) followed by his lead entry (you raise the fuckin kid.) can easily be interpreted to show animosity toward the pro-life position and to degredate the value of the child. The statement also implies a second issue; that the parents of the child should escape responsibility for its creation.

If this was not your understanding of the OP’s lead comments then our communication has failed.

Animosity? Yeah i can see that. And i can understand it too. It's more than a little irritating to hear people talk about how precious life is then turn around and call that very same life expendable. It's all life. No matter what age or background. The same preciousness should be said for all. It isn't though. That preciousness has requirements. Meaning the whole label of pro-life is misleading at best. More like pro-specific regulated life.

I don't think it's degrading the value of children either. If anything it's the exact opposite. Take the housing bubble for instance. Many would say that people should not have bought a house they couldn't afford. I agree. Same goes for children. There aren't that many loving parents out there. Or at least i don't think there are. America specifically hasn't really done a good job at protecting kids in foster homes and when it comes to the economy and jobs well in some places having a child when you can't afford or don't want them is actively worse than an abortion.

It doesn't imply that parents should escape responsibility. It's more of a question. As in "well you take care of him or her then".

Seriously. Do you know what it's like to live in foster care? Or to grow up in poverty? Or to be forced to raise a child? No really. What'll happen to the kid? How will they survive in a world full of people that want to gut every last government benefit available to them? I don't know, the OP's "you raise the fucking kid" has some serious teeth behind it. Cause really. Who will?
 

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Can't edit but i feel the need to say that as far as i can tell. With the way america is going, pro-lifers are only creating more poor people that they may refuse to help after the age of 18.
 
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Can't edit but i feel the need to say that as far as i can tell. With the way america is going, pro-lifers are only creating more poor people that they may refuse to help after the age of 18.

I've found that dogmatic stances on issues rarely allows for a logically consistent systemic political philosophy.
 

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tripod said:
1.Abortion is a living hell,
2. nobody ever wants to have one.
3.It's a degrading, dehumanizing and disgusting procedure for everyone involved

These are three categorical statements for which you offer no proof or documentation.
Number 1 is an emotional metaphor, not a fact, not a valid or supportable definition.

Number one was intended as an emotional metaphor... congratulations Sherlock. You obviously think abortions are gleefully pursued by evil women with disregard for life which is cartoonish at best and absolutely unrealistic.

Number 2 is easily disproved by the number of voluntary abortions performed.

Just what the fuck is a voluntary abortion versus an involuntary abortion? I don't think you understand SIMPLE ENGLISH because involuntary implies that the medical procedure is performed against the will of the patient and abortions are ALWAYS voluntary. Your fucking right wing fake stories about people who've been forced to have abortions are total bullshit.

Number 3 is an opinion a.) for which you offer no evidence and b.) with which there is no general agreement or convincing documentation.

No evidence? What the fuck are you talking about? I have actually lived a full life and known quite a few women who've had abortions that I trust 100%. Abortions aren't some secret procedure that nobody can learn about... it's common fucking knowledge of what the procedure entails and NOBODY even remotely enjoys them or even feels ambivalent towards abortion. It's a brutal experience that women carry with them for the rest of their lives.

Of course, you live in a pro-life fantasy world where "loose" women run around getting pregnant several times a year and gleefully have abortions whenever they feel like having one. It's a sick fantasy world but one that is no doubt reinforced by your peers/family/church/websites/groups that you belong to... you all have no clue what it's like to live in the real world and have zero empathy for people less fortunate than you. But it's all about elevating yourself to the status of a good person while you look down on others while calling them barbaric and inferior. Same old same old, you're predictable and tiring.