Do you like cut or uncut cocks?

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the myth as you say isn't any worse than what some of you uncuts say. just look at what you said here about the cut cock. pot calling the kettle black here if you ask me. oh im sorry im a women who much prefers a nice smooth cut cock so in your opinion i dont know anything. RIGHT.lol. yes ignorance is bliss and i see it being on your part, theres nothing wrong with an opinion but there is something wrong with being a smart ass in giving it and you have done that here in my opinion.[/quote

Sorry, but the FACTS are that a cut penis IS dried out ans more abrasive, causes more friction, and depends on the female to provide all of the moistness--this is NOT opinion. Thre is nothing smooth about a cut penis other than looks--it is, in reality, LESS sexually smooth as there is no lubrication and "gliding action" .
So it seems that it is not MY opinion that is predicated on ignorance, but yours.

Perhaps you might wish to educate yourself on the subject..

Survey Finds Circumcision Contributes to Vaginal Dryness
The impact of male circumcision on vaginal dryness during coitus was investigated. We conducted a survey of 35 female sexual partners aged 18 to 69 years who had experienced sexual intercourse with both circumcised and genitally intact men. Women reported they were significantly more likely to have experienced vaginal dryness during intercourse with circumcised than with genitally intact men.
Bensley, G. and Boyle, G., "Effects of Male Circumcision on Female Arousal and Orgasm," N Z Med J 116 (2003): 595-596.
Effects of male circumcision on female arousal and orgasm

Journal of the New Zealand Medical Association, 12-September-2003, Vol 116 No 1181
Effects of male circumcision on female arousal and orgasm
While vaginal dryness is considered an indicator for female sexual arousal disorder,1,2 male circumcision may exacerbate female vaginal dryness during intercourse.3 O’Hara and O’Hara reported that women who had experienced coitus with both intact and circumcised men preferred intact partners by a ratio of 8.6 to one.4 Most women (85.5%) in that survey reported that they were more likely to experience orgasm with a genitally intact partner: ‘They [surveyed women] were also more likely to report that vaginal secretions lessened as coitus progressed with their circumcised partners (16.75, 6.88–40.77).’4
Presence of the movable foreskin makes a difference in foreplay, being more arousing to the female.4 Women reported they were about twice as likely to experience orgasm if the male partner had a foreskin.4 The impact of male circumcision on vaginal dryness during coitus required further investigation.
We conducted a survey of 35 female sexual partners aged 18 to 69 years who had experienced sexual intercourse with both circumcised and genitally intact men.
Participants completed a 35-item sexual awareness survey. Women reported they were significantly more likely to have experienced vaginal dryness during intercourse with circumcised than with genitally intact men ?2 (df = 1, n = 20) = 5.0, p <0.05.5
Women who preferred a circumcised male sexual partner averaged 27.3 years of age (SD = 8.2), while those whose stated preference was for a genitally intact partner had a mean age of 36.4 years (SD = 13.7). Thus, the role of the male foreskin in preventing loss of vaginal lubrication during intercourse may become more discernible with increasing age among women. We reported:
‘During intercourse, the skin of an intact penis slides up and down the shaft, stimulating the glans and the nerves of the inner and outer foreskin. On the outstroke, the glans is partially or completely engulfed by the foreskin with more skin remaining inside the vagina than is the case with the circumcised penis. This ‘valve’ mechanism is thought to retain the natural lubrication provided by the female because the bunched up skin acts to block the lubrication escaping from the vagina, which results in dryness.’5
Our work, which supports the hypothesis of Warren and Bigelow3 and the findings of O’Hara and O’Hara4 about the role of the male prepuce during coitus is fully reported in Denniston et al.5
Research generally has not considered possible adverse effects of male circumcision upon female sexual arousal and response. While Moynihan reported that vibratory thresholds, blood flow and hormone levels were studied,1 there was no mention of circumcision status of the male partner. Likewise, Leiblum failed to control for male circumcision status.2 In light of published findings,4,5 this is a serious methodological omission.
Most likely, reported vaginal dryness and the related clinical designation ‘female arousal disorder’ is but a normal female response to coitus with a man with an iatrogenically deficient penis.5
It is imperative that future studies of female arousal disorder record and control the circumcision status of male sexual partners.
Gillian A Bensley
Gregory J Boyle Department of Psychology Bond University, QLD, Australia
References:
Moynihan R. The making of a disease: female sexual dysfunction. BMJ 2003;326:45–7.
Leiblum SR. Arousal disorders in women: complaints and complexities. Med J Aust 2003;178:638–40.

Warren J, Bigelow J. The case against circumcision. Br J Sex Med 1994;Sept/Oct:6–8.
O’Hara K, O’Hara J. The effect of male circumcision on the sexual enjoyment of the female partner. BJU Int 1999;83 Suppl 1:79–84.
Bensley GA, Boyle GJ. Physical, sexual, and psychological effects of male infant circumcision: an exploratory survey. In: Denniston GC, Hodges FM, Milos MF, editors. Understanding circumcision: a multi-disciplinary approach to a multi-dimensional problem. New York: Kluwer Academic/Plenum Publishers; 2001. p. 207–39

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The study offered gave specific reasons why most knowing women prefer normal sex--could you offer your reasons for preferring cut penises?

Better yet, the study provided the questions asked, maybe you could truthfully answer the same questions and provide us your answers?


if you are really interested in my reasons you can go back and look at my post about this. in other words do a search, as im not repeating it just so you can find fault in everything with it. and it would appear that thats all you are after here is to take up space on this web site and not offer advise or opinions but just to trash those who do offer there opinion about this be it for or against. who dont support your ideas about this subject. so far these newer cut uncut threads have been pretty much peaceable. far better than some have been in the past . so search or drop it as im not arguing with you. if you have your foreskin you know nothing about what you are saying except for some study you have read from. the real truth about this is from the guys who been cut as adults and know the difference and even that will vary in some cases. what i know i learn from the guys who have had it both ways as well as from those who were done at birth and those who have never been cut, and also from what some of my friends tell me about there problems when it comes up from time to time in conversations every now and again. and from my nurse and Dr, friends so like i said search or forget it. also a cut penis is not all cracked and dried out like leather. to prove this go look in the show your Softie thread on here on the 5 or 6 page i think it is as i have posted some pics, in there of my hubby's soft cock then feel free to come back here and tell me how cracked and dried out and ugly looking it is. as i have gotten some pms, about it and they all have good things to say about the way it looks. but if you still see as ugly and looking like a pierce of leather fell free to say so. and by the way those little spots you see at the head of his cock is from his piercings it is not due to his circumcision.
 
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i can only do an uncut guy if, when hes erect, there is no foreskin......a 'turkey gobble' is gross to me.....
 

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g32js,
So you have no evidence to support your position--only empty anecdotes? And even then , you just dismiss the evidence that refutes your anecdotes.
Seems you believe that societal-induced perspective trumps the facts and evidence.

REAL truth is only available from those who choose to get cut? Give me a break--it took hundreds of years and some of our greatest minds to develop the process of science and you believe it can be ignored due to some societal or psychological baggage. This is the sad state of the mindset of pre-science people--back to the dark ages?
 

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i can only do an uncut guy if, when hes erect, there is no foreskin......a 'turkey gobble' is gross to me.....

It doesn't take much to overcome a societal-induced prejudice.
Don't go to any area that is not American, Jewish, or muslim--not much sex there for you.
 

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"the real truth about this is from the guys who been cut as adults and know the difference and even that will vary in some cases. "

How about some REAL truth?

Adult Circumcision Outcomes Study: Effect on Erectile Function, Penile Sensitivity, Sexual Activity and Satisfaction.

Some believe that circumcision results in diminished sensitivity of the glans, 1,4 whereas others believe that it results in more pleasurable sexual intercourse. 5–7 A study by Pienkos, a military surgeon who surveyed men requesting circumcision during the Korean War, revealed that men requested circumcision with the ****expectation of improved sexual satisfaction.****
The reduction in erectile function was statistically significant. Some men were unable to have erection after the procedure but even those who were able to have sex with the same partner before and after the procedure reported worsened erectile function. This difference remained significant when adjusted for age and co-morbidities. Some comments were: “Erections are shorter time now.” “Penis smaller. Now have erectile dysfunction.”
The reported decrease in penile sensitivity that resulted from circumcision bordered on statistical significance. Men who had sex with the same partner before and after circumcision reported greater reduction in penile sensitivity than other men. How men viewed the decreased penile sensitivity differed: “Somewhat less sensitivity helps prolong intercourse.” “I had been warned that I would lose sensitivity, but overall, I feel that I was not completely informed.”
The all responders group reported worsened erectile function and decreased penile sensation, as well as decrease in sexual activity that was not statistically significant. However, men in the same partner group actually reported increased sexual activity but this too was not statistically significant. The comments were mixed: “No sex drive.” “Sex is a lot better.”
 

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I think a penis is a penis. Cut or uncut, they can be wonderful.

I have only been with 2 uncut men, but didn't think they were any less attractive than cut men.
 

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i offered to you a peaceable way in this as i told you to do a search and also view my pics, in the thread. so as i said in the reply to you you are just a pompous ass here with ignorance to go along with it, i have real human experience with both cocks and i stated my preference as to why i have this preference in many of my older post go back and read them. also a big congratulations on using such sophisticated choice of words in your last post about my opinion, actually how long did you have to look in Websters to fine them. and even one better do you still remember what there definition is? an im not in the dark ages so since you have proved to me that you are just an ass i dont need to prove any evidence to you or, show you any respect other than i already have here so rant all you want about what ever as you have clearly shown NO respect for others offering there opinion about this if they dont share your idea , to bad your so dumb and blinded to know there is two sides to every issue not your one sided stupidity . you have made it clear that you just want to argue and that you are not the least bit interested in any ones opinion. you are just wanting to jump on the cut uncut band wagon and harassed those who do not go along with you. this bickering back and forth from you i know consider over between us but seeing how i dont control this site feel free to rant on here. that is why they have an ignore button! there is also a group for circumcised penis lovers go read if you want to see what they put.
 
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i offered to you a peaceable way in this as i told you to do a search and also view my pics, in the thread. so as i said in the reply to you you are just a pompous ass here with ignorance to go along with it, i have real human experience with both cocks and i stated my preference as to why i have this preference in many of my older post go back and read them. also a big congratulations on using such sophisticated choice of words in your last post about my opinion, actually how long did you have to look in Websters to fine them. and even one better do you still remember what there definition is? an im not in the dark ages so since you have proved to me that you are just an ass i dont need to prove any evidence to you or, show you any respect other than i already have here so rant all you want about what ever as you have clearly shown NO respect for others offering there opinion about this if they dont share your idea , to bad your so dumb and blinded to know there is two sides to every issue not your one sided stupidity . you have made it clear that you just want to argue and that you are not the least bit interested in any ones opinion. you are just wanting to jump on the cut uncut band wagon and harassed those who do not go along with you. this bickering back and forth from you i know consider over between us but seeing how i dont control this site feel free to rant on here. that is why they have an ignore button! there is also a group for circumcised penis lovers go read if you want to see what they put.

Sorry, but repetition does not confer validity. Science does not recognise both sides, only the side that can be supported by facts and evidence-- alleged anecdotes that are contradicted by the facts and evidence can hardly be considered valid.

I am trying to find if there is a rational reason for a preference for cut penises, as ther does not seem to be any rational reason for this preference--and frankly alleged anecdotes do not fulfill the requirement for a rational and proveable reason. I offered facts and evidence to support my position that is no rational reason, and you offer what?
 

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Sorry, but repetition does not confer validity. Science does not recognise both sides, only the side that can be supported by facts and evidence-- alleged anecdotes that are contradicted by the facts and evidence can hardly be considered valid.

I am trying to find if there is a rational reason for a preference for cut penises, as ther does not seem to be any rational reason for this preference--and frankly alleged anecdotes do not fulfill the requirement for a rational and proveable reason. I offered facts and evidence to support my position that is no rational reason, and you offer what?


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LOL, and this is supposed to be a substitute for anything resembling an answer or rational rebuttal?

Interestingly, you tell me that I must hunt down and find your position AND refute it; yet I have stated and supported my position up front, and you merely ignore and/or dismiss the supporting evidence.

BTW a a normal penis is NOT uncut-it is INTACT--both by nature, and the numbers.

Which do you think is the stronger position?

So again, I am still wondering if your position is a rational one, or merely one based on unsupported belief.
 
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LOL, and this is supposed to be a substitute for anything resembling an answer or rational rebuttal?

Interestingly, you tell me that I must hunt down and find your position AND refute it; yet I have stated and supported my position up front, and you merely ignore and/or dismiss the supporting evidence.

BTW a a normal penis is NOT uncut-it is INTACT--both by nature, and the numbers.

Which do you think is the stronger position?

So again, I am still wondering if your position is a rational one, or merely
one based on unsupported belief.




you dont want to know the difference. you just want to be an ass toward everything i post because i prefer a cut cock over a uncut one, so instead of explaining the difference between a cut and uncut. ill give you some real good advise here ok listen and pay close attention here ok. here it is.:fuckyou: im tired of your:bsflag:now go off in your corner and :wank:.
 

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you dont want to know the difference. you just want to be an ass toward everything i post because i prefer a cut cock over a uncut one, so instead of explaining the difference between a cut and uncut. ill give you some real good advise here ok listen and pay close attention here ok. here it is.:fuckyou: im tired of your:bsflag:now go off in your corner and :wank:.

Way too cute, but I am still wondering what rational basis you might have for preferring a cut penis. And still wondering what differences there might be that YOU perceive--so can you give those differences?

P.S. I DO know the difference, AND have the facts and evidence to rationally support my position, the question is--do YOU?

P.S. the correct adjective is INTACT.
 

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i reason i like a cut cock to uncut one is i got tired of having the guys wash before sex and bj's to get rid of the smell and even after they did wash it stilled smelled. these guys took a bath everyday so they knew how to clean their tools.


New Circumcision and Sexual Satisfaction Study a Cut Above

Wednesday January 9, 2008
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98% of men reported sexual satisfaction and normal sexual function after circumcision
A study, published in the January issue of BJU International, sheds more light on the impact of circumcision on male sexual satisfaction and function. It also significantly raises the bar in terms of methodology and reduced rhetoric in a research area that is highly politicized and fraught with problems.



The study involved 4, 456 sexually experienced Ugandan men (aged 15 to 49) who were HIV negative. All men were scheduled to receive circumcision, however one group was circumcised as soon as the study began and a second group was circumcised 2 years later. Researchers looked at sexual desire, satisfaction and function in both groups at six, 12, and 24 months. Their findings included:
  • 98.6 per cent of the circumcised men reported no problems in penetration, compared with 99.4 per cent of the control group.
  • 99.4 per cent of the circumcised men reported no pain on intercourse, compared with 98.8 per cent of the control group.
  • Sexual satisfaction was more or less constant in the circumcision group &#8211; 98.5 per cent on enrolment and 98.4 per cent after two years &#8211; but rose slightly from 98 per cent to 99.9 per cent in the control group. This difference was not felt to be clinically significant.
  • At the six-month visit there was a small, but statistically significant, difference in problems with penetration and pain among the circumcised group, but this was temporary and was not reported at subsequent follow-up visits.
The authors point out that the gains in sexual function and satisfaction may be a result of the education and treatment received by participants during the study. If a participant disclosed a sexual problem they were referred for treatment.
While this study represents the largest randomized examination of this issue, and in my opinion the researchers do a much better job of acknowledging and minimizing their bias than in many other surveys of sexual satisfaction and circumcision, it is not without limitations.
As the authors themselves point out, both groups reported remarkably low sexual dissatisfaction and sexual dysfunction at the start of the study. Less than 2% of all participants in this Ugandan study reported dissatisfaction or dysfunction, compared to 7% in an earlier trial in Kenya. Figures in the U.S. of erectile dysfunction in the same age group (20-49) are around 6.5%.
They also point out that it was not possible to keep the circumcision status of participants from those administering the study, as such researcher bias is a possibility. Questions about satisfaction and function were asked in face to face interviews, and, as with all sex research, there is a distinct possibility that study participants&#8217; responses were not completely honest.
Not mentioned by the authors is the fact that the number of participants who were circumcised and stayed with the study to the two year mark was very small. While the majority of participants came back at six and twelve months, less than half returned at the two year point. While we can&#8217;t know what this means exactly, it may point to this group as being less than representative.
In terms of the studies ability to say something general about sexual satisfaction, there were other methodological limitations. Sexual satisfaction was evaluated solely on the basis of satisfaction with intercourse. While it&#8217;s reasonable to focus on intercourse as an activity that is likely to be impacted by circumcision, this research fails to take into account any other sexual acts, thus limiting what we can say about the findings. They also failed to ask participants about how prominent a role intercourse played in their sex lives. So while they may be happy with the intercourse, it&#8217;s possible their overall satisfaction went up or down, depending on what they value most in their sex lives.

A final element of this study which I think is particularly exciting is the overall connection the researchers are making to sexual pleasure. Whether one agrees with their agenda or not they are realizing that sexual pleasure is a key part of sexual health promotion and intervention. The fact is that we need more talk about sexual pleasure in all sexual health discussions, whether its about STD prevention, sexual assault prevention, or promotion of healthy sexual behaviors. This study takes an important step in the right direction.
 
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"i reason i like a cut cock to uncut one is i got tired of having the guys wash before sex and bj's to get rid of the smell and even after they did wash it stilled smelled. these guys took a bath everyday so they knew how to clean their tools. "

So, an overactive imagination is supposed to be rational. A man with a normal penis smells LESS than any norma; female..that is why African men prefer having sex with circumcised women...see any similarity?

I quess this is the best one can say to this nonsense.

That nonsense from the Bailey group--so 100% of the men were satisfied? that sure is scientifically credible. Give me a break!

How about a more realistic series of studies..

Long-Term Consequences of Neonatal Circumcision
Body Image Surveys Examine Men's (Dis)Satisfaction with Circumcision
A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood
This survey indicated there are 52 million men in the US that are dissatisfied with their circumcision. This number almost exactly duplicates a study in Journeyman in 1992. It must be fairly accurate.
192 respondents (average age 44 years,85% circumcised
circumcised intact
Satisfied 38% 78%
Dissatisfied 20% 3%
Ambivalent 41% 17%


Of the men 50% reported benefits and 38% reported harm. Overall, 62% of men were satisfied with having been circumcised.

Adult Circumcision Outcomes Study: Effect on Erectile Function, Penile Sensitivity, Sexual Activity and Satisfaction.
 

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"i reason i like a cut cock to uncut one is i got tired of having the guys wash before sex and bj's to get rid of the smell and even after they did wash it stilled smelled. these guys took a bath everyday so they knew how to clean their tools. "

So, an overactive imagination is supposed to be rational. A man with a normal penis smells LESS than any norma; female..that is why African men prefer having sex with circumcised women...see any similarity?

I quess this is the best one can say to this nonsense.

That nonsense from the Bailey group--so 100% of the men were satisfied? that sure is scientifically credible. Give me a break!

How about a more realistic series of studies..

Long-Term Consequences of Neonatal Circumcision
Body Image Surveys Examine Men's (Dis)Satisfaction with Circumcision
A Preliminary Poll of Men Circumcised in Infancy or Childhood
This survey indicated there are 52 million men in the US that are dissatisfied with their circumcision. This number almost exactly duplicates a study in Journeyman in 1992. It must be fairly accurate.
192 respondents (average age 44 years,85% circumcised
circumcised intact
Satisfied 38% 78%
Dissatisfied 20% 3%
Ambivalent 41% 17%


Of the men 50% reported benefits and 38% reported harm. Overall, 62% of men were satisfied with having been circumcised.

Adult Circumcision Outcomes Study: Effect on Erectile Function, Penile Sensitivity, Sexual Activity and Satisfaction.





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ED effects uncut men too not only the cut guys!!!!!! you are the one who has an imagination not me. :fu:. this thread asked do you like cut or uncut!! not to picked on people who like cut cocks. everyone has the right to like what they like. like i said be before you are an :asshole:
 
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"ED effects uncut men too not only the cut guys!!!!!! you are the one who has an imagination not me. :fu:. this thread asked do you like cut or uncut!! not to picked on people who like cut cocks. everyone has the right to like what they like. like i said be before you are an :asshole:

Sorry, but studies, direct and indirect evidence, and anecdotal evidence in abundance shows that cut men are more likely to suffer from ED AND suffer from it sooner. If I expected you to actually read them and critically think about them, I would post them, but dismissal and ignoring seems to be what you rely on.

I see you are not able to refute the connection between ED and subsequent erectile impairment...just a claim that ED is not exclusive to being circumcised. DUH!

I still have yet to see any RATIONAL reason for your preference for cut penises. You have stated your preference, (your right) but no rational reason for that preference.

BTW, you might appreciate this little gem--can you reasonablly expect these men to be "satisfied"? This was NOT mentiuoned in that piece by Bailey and his boys..

Aidsmap | &#8216;Shocking&#8217; rates of adverse events seen with traditional and medical circumcision in Kenya
"The rate of adverse events observed &#8211; 35% in traditional circumcision and 18% in medically performed ones &#8211; are an order of magnitude above those seen in the RCTs of circumcision, and in medically supervised circumcision in the developed world. Six per cent of operations resulted in adverse events described as permanent and irreversible. "
"The contrast with the medically-supervised circumcision performed in the RCTs is most starkly highlighted by the fact that in the RCTs all but 4% of circumcision wounds had healed by 30 days after the operation whereas in a directly-observed subset of 12 traditional and 12 medical procedures in this survey, no wound had properly healed by this time.
So much for so-called RCT's!

It is not sufficient to merely have a study, but that study must be able to survive a scientifically-credible critical analysis...especially with Bailey's studies.

YEH OBAMA!!
 
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