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AnonyMs: I am openly affectionate with my female friends - hold hands, kisses on the cheek, hugs and hair smoothing - but other than hugs when parting, not so much with my male friends. With my family, hugs upon greeting and hugs upon parting. With a lover, openly affectionate.
 
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Javierdude22: Well, this is difficult.

DMW, although you're right in the sense that 'we're humans', and it's natural to show affection, it goes without saying that theory and practice are not always aligned. Studies have shown that people from Latin countries show a lot more affection than people from for example Scandinavia or North-West Europe. That can be deducted from the fact that when you have a converstation with someone from a Latin country he or she will literally be 'in your face'. We North-West Europeans and Scandinavians tend to feel awkward and move one step back...the one he or she is talking to however moves one step closer. It becomes almost like a ritual dance  ;D.

For me personally this presents a problem as I have to deal with both sides a lot. My Spanish family is quite open about affection. But still, male to male affection is limited. I have more cousins than I can count but when I think about it, I only hug one of them since he kinda always took care of me when i was there. When i leave it becomes kind of emotional and it climaxes into a hug and kiss on the cheek. But with others it is a firm handshake and the affirmative nod and smile. Good enough for me though.

In Holland with my male friends, and family here, I do not recollect any time I have hugged them. It is just 'not done'. Maybe that is indeed like TWK said something typical, it just doesn't happen. When I meet girlfriends in Spain the first thing you do is give two kisses. In Holland that hardly ever happens, only in our Latin originated minorities. That says enough I think.

Affection in general is shown differently here. With girls I do give three kisses or a hug, where others usually don't. With guys I shake their hands or the more dopey knocking fists ritual I have with some black friends. I adapt to the situation I'm in I guess so not to make anyone uncomfortable, nor offended.

I noticed I forgot something...

It is never sexual by the way. If I am attracted to someone sexually she will know without a doubt. I say she cause I don't show any interest I míght have in a guy untill I know 100 percent for sure that I'm dealing with someone in a similar range of the Kinsey Scale. But regardless, when i show affection it is always emotional, never sexual.
 

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I agree with you about the cultural differences affecting displays of affection, Javier. Sometimes I think all Teutonic emotional displays are restricted to Wagner's operas! Northern Europeans ... and I include the Englsh in the lot ... tend to be a lot let demonstrative in showing affection to members of either sex. The Irish are an exception; they can get real touchie-feelie! It must be rough in your situation, Javier. You come from two cultures that have opposite ideas about what is appropriate when it comes to showing how you feel about friends and family. In the United States there is a strong English influence that says it's unmanly to hug, let alone kiss, another man. Luckily, that's becoming less the standard. I have noticed that a lot of my straight male friends who generally do not hug their other male friends do hug me unprompted. They say that they know I won't find it strange or misinterpret what it means. They admit that the 'physical contact' feels good, but they're unsure about how most of their buds would react.

And I also agree that it's not sexual. Affection and the hots are two different animals.
 

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I'm a 'hugger.'

I was brought up in a very close family wherein the men didn't back off from public displays of affection, even with each other.

I've learned that a hug is superior to a hello and an arm around the shoulders of the guy standing next to you is a physical manifestation of acceptance.

I haven't held another man's hand but I'm not averse to touching in some form. If on the rare occasion I sense discomfort on the other guy's part I'll act accordingly but I've never had an unpleasant reaction to my manner.

It's just my nature.

Pecker

(I had my vasectomy done at Sears. Now when I'm aroused the garage door opens.)
 
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rikter8: Well, being gay, I dont think its an issue at all.
I mean, if a guy is secure with himself, it shouldnt be an issue.
If im at work, and seeing someone that I havent seen in ages, I'll give them one of my back breaker bear hugs, with a greeting "How the hell are ya jackass" or if theyre leaving "Cmere ya jerk"

Im also a touchy feely type of guy, and I think if I didnt have the physical contact, I would go crazy!
Some guys like it, some fear me for it.
But...hey...at least they know i'm being me.
 

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[quote author=DoubleMeatWhopper link=board=relationships;num=1062815559;start=20#22 date=09/10/03 at 11:07:51]I agree with you about the cultural differences affecting displays of affection, Javier. Sometimes I think all Teutonic emotional displays are restricted to Wagner's operas! Northern Europeans ... [/quote]


Aber, Jacinto, vergaßen Sie Beethoven ! Er ist so passional ! Niemand kann ihn vergessen !
 
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Longhornjok: I remember how shocked I was when I was traveling in Italy and I saw guys walking arm in arm everywhere. In cities like Rome and Florence, usually in the evening, (straight) male friends walk about the city, arm in arm, talking, smoking, chasing girls, whatever.
 

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[quote author=Raal Lexx link=board=relationships;num=1062815559;start=20#25 date=09/11/03 at 00:24:00]



Aber, Jacinto, vergaßen Sie Beethoven ! Er ist so passional ! Niemand kann ihn vergessen !
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Radu, ich spreche kein Deutsch! Mais pour quoi puis-je comprendre ta poste?
 
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Longhornjok: [quote author=DoubleMeatWhopper link=board=relationships;num=1062815559;start=20#27 date=09/11/03 at 23:06:26] Radu, ich spreche kein Deutsch! Mais pour quoi puis-je comprendre ta poste?[/quote]
I could be rusty here, but I think he said:

But Jacinto, you're forgetting Beethoven! He is so passionate! Nobody can forget him!

Radu, es tut mir leid; I spreche ein wenig Deutsch. Ist das richtig?
 

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Aah, damn, I forgot you don't speak German. I thought it was one of your languges too. But you understood because I resembles to much English ! Es liegt auf der Hand ! , it's obviuos :) !
LHJ, don't worry, your German ist nicht "rostig", it's not rusty ! The translation was perfect. ;D
 

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Where else on the net could you find the info that testicle and testify come from the same root word?

When I read this a week or so ago in a cyber cafe, I spilled latte down my front....I saw in a court of law not a bailiff and a bible and an oath, BUT a guy grabbing the bailiff and affrming, "I swear on your balls."

Am I sick or what?

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This is an interesting thread. I think that each of us think we grew up in a pretty normal home. I know that I did; it was much like the homes of close friends. Apparently, normal home has a wide variation in the mores and practices.

To answer the question....yea, I do. I have kissed all the male members of my family within the past year. A common greeting is a kiss and a hug....and it is not a peck on the cheek. This is also true for really close friends...though some of the time, the kiss is a peck on the cheek. This may occur in public or in private...wherever the meeting occurs. There have been other times when kisses seemed appropriate...like winning a close football game or comforting a friend whose brother has been in a bad accident.

We grew up kissing the family and guests before bed....I thought that it was standard in New York, Georgia, and New Jersey...in the past year or two, I have seen this tradition in Texas, Jersey, Tennessee, and California as friends put their kids to bed.

Maybe it is tribal custom that lurks in some genes.

jay
 
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DizzyGus: I just HAD to respond to this. ;D

I am VERY affectionate with everyone that I call a friend. If I like you, I'm going to be pawing all over you...doesn't matter if you're a boy or a girl. And I am very open to it if you want to hang all over me, too.

My family is sort of affectionate but I am the MOST of all of us. ;D

With girls its usually a big hug and kisses on the cheek and once in a while on the lips. I let hot chicks hang all over me and basically grope me and I love it when a chick rubs my chest or my stomach. ::)

With guys I really push boundaries. I play a LOT of grabass with my hockey teammates and I do the "hug from behind" thing that makes a lot of guys uncomfortable. Most of my friends are so used to it by now that they just feel me and say "Hey dude, what's up?" :D

In fact with the guy I would consider my best friend, he and I are affectionate to the point where we hug and then hold each other and he really likes it when I come up behind him and lay both my arms around him. And this guy actually has laid on my bed with me and put his head on my chest and we just kind of fell asleep there. (And he's almost as big as I am! :eek:) It was really cool and we've done it a couple more times since then. Nothing sexual about it...it was just pure honest feelings.

And yes I kiss boys. On the cheek AND on the lips depending on how close I am to the guy. I don't make guys uncomfortable on purpose but I also have the advantage of being a BIG guy so nobody gives me shit about it.

Affection is a great thing. Like others have said here in this thread it's part of what makes us HUMAN!

Gus 8)
 
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Nice post, Dizzy.

I guess the one thing I wondered particularly about your post was how exactly you got so comfortable with showing affection like that? You remind me of a friend from undergraduate school. Complete jock, through and through, and he told me stories about private school. Essentially, and I wouldn't say coerced, but... he learned affection from his teammates. Whether it was grabass or a hug from behind or a playful grasp at the package, his buddies in practice taught him that there's nothing underlying these moments except what you just said: honest feelings. And even then, it was to the extent that they all horsed around with each other, so it made sense to be comfortable since it didn't mean anything...

On a couple of occasions, this friend of mine would drop by in the wee hours of the night because he needed someone to talk to. Granted, I was a little grouchy at the 3 a.m., 4 a.m. wake-up call, but he usually had some tears he needed to let out. He would collapse his frame on my chest or shoulder, or he would lay his head in my lap; I'd rub his back and let him do his thing. It didn't make me uncomfortable; somehow, it was always a pleasant surprise -- as if someone was strange about his affection, unexpected, but it was still okay.

I've had a couple of friends over time who were comfortable with affection, and I suppose I just adapted accordingly. Mom's always insisted upon it and the family's cool, and if any bud just wanted to grapple me into a lock... well... nuzzle nuzzle for them, too.
 
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DizzyGus: [quote author=DeeBlackthorne link=board=relationships;num=1062815559;start=20#33 date=09/21/03 at 16:54:44]Nice post, Dizzy.

I guess the one thing I wondered particularly about your post was how exactly you got so comfortable with showing affection like that? You remind me of a friend from undergraduate school. Complete jock, through and through, and he told me stories about private school. Essentially, and I wouldn't say coerced, but... he learned affection from his teammates. Whether it was grabass or a hug from behind or a playful grasp at the package, his buddies in practice taught him that there's nothing underlying these moments except what you just said: honest feelings. And even then, it was to the extent that they all horsed around with each other, so it made sense to be comfortable since it didn't mean anything...

On a couple of occasions, this friend of mine would drop by in the wee hours of the night because he needed someone to talk to. Granted, I was a little grouchy at the 3 a.m., 4 a.m. wake-up call, but he usually had some tears he needed to let out. He would collapse his frame on my chest or shoulder, or he would lay his head in my lap; I'd rub his back and let him do his thing. It didn't make me uncomfortable; somehow, it was always a pleasant surprise -- as if someone was strange about his affection, unexpected, but it was still okay.

I've had a couple of friends over time who were comfortable with affection, and I suppose I just adapted accordingly. Mom's always insisted upon it and the family's cool, and if any bud just wanted to grapple me into a lock... well... nuzzle nuzzle for them, too.[/quote]

How did I get so comfortable with it? Well its never been something that I was UN-comfortable with.

When I was a kid I wrestled around with my little friends all the time. We had plenty of playful contact but we also hugged each other a bit too.

When I got into middle and high school I really started to grow (in SEVERAL ways ::)) and I started to be the subject of a LOT of attention. I liked all the physical affection that was being shown to me and I liked to reciprocate it. That meant being affectionate (both in a friendly way and in a sexual way) with girls and also with my guy friends. Grabass had its beginnings way back then as did actually hugging and kissing other boys.

College was just more of the same and so is adulthood. (I sure as hell don't feel like an adult though! ;D) And like I said before it may be because I am a big dude but nobody has ever said anything negative to me about it.

Those people around me just know to expect this kind of stuff from me and they are happy to let me be ME!

Gus 8)
 
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awellhungboi: [quote author=DizzyGus link=board=relationships;num=1062815559;start=20#34 date=09/21/03 at 18:58:46]
College was just more of the same and so is adulthood.  (I sure as hell don't feel like an adult though! ;D)  And like I said before it may be because I am a big dude but nobody has ever said anything negative to me about it.  
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You seem like a sweet guy, Gus, so please don't take this personally, but I don't care how big a guy (or a girl) is, if he grabs my ass or any other part of me without my permission, he better be ready to meet the wrath of Monstro. Sometimes the most affectionate thing a person can do is to accept and respect another person's boundries.

I'm not a physically demonstrative person, but I hug close friends, men and women, and have kissed male friends before. But I don't like being groped, even if it's just joking around. Some of us have had difficult experiences in our pasts, and even inocuous horseplay can make us uncomfortable. Doesn't mean such a person is cold or unaffectionate, just wary.

Kind of disjointed thoughts on my part, hope it makes sense.
 
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feared: [quote author=black10inches link=board=relationships;num=1062815559;start=0#5 date=09/06/03 at 01:13:13]
I heard some weird story somewhere that the ancient Greeks greeted each other by grabbing each other's nuts. In Harlem, NYC, that could get you dead real quick.[/quote]

ahahaha
 
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DizzyGus: [quote author=Monstro link=board=relationships;num=1062815559;start=20#35 date=09/21/03 at 20:09:05]

You seem like a sweet guy, Gus, so please don't take this personally, but I don't care how big a guy (or a girl) is, if he grabs my ass or any other part of me without my permission, he better be ready to meet the wrath of Monstro.  Sometimes the most affectionate thing a person can do is to accept and respect another person's boundries.

I'm not a physically demonstrative person, but I hug close friends, men and women, and have kissed male friends before.  But I don't like being groped, even if it's just joking around.  Some of us have had difficult experiences in our pasts, and even inocuous horseplay can make us uncomfortable.  Doesn't mean such a person is cold or unaffectionate, just wary.

Kind of disjointed thoughts on my part, hope it makes sense.  

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I understand Monstro. That makes sense to me.

I realize that I am the "exception" and not the "rule" in a lot of ways - ;) - so if someone isn't on my same wavelength I don't force it. That's a quick way to turn people off and look like a jerk.

But if we get to know each other and the opportunity presents itself and I know it won't freak you out, I WILL give ya a little pinch on the butt.

Who knows...you may actually LIKE it!

Gus 8)
 

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I dunno, man. If you pinched my ass, I think I would have no choice but to respond with a swift kick to the jaw, or a tackle, or somethin'!

No, but in all seriousness though -- I think the from-behind hug is probably one of the most sincere and loving kinds of hugs to receive. I'm a fan of a full embrace, but there's something definitely powerful in having a pair of arms slip around my waist or fold over my chest, hands running down my sides or my stomach. It's an incredibly intimate move, especially if coupled by a light peck on the cheek or the neck or...

Damn it, if I keep this up, it's boner-ville!
 

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[quote author=DeeBlackthorne link=board=relationships;num=1062815559;start=20#38 date=09/21/03 at 23:58:31]I dunno, man.  If you pinched my ass, I think I would have no choice but to respond with a swift kick to the jaw, or a tackle, or somethin'!

No, but in all seriousness though -- I think the from-behind hug is probably one of the most sincere and loving kinds of hugs to receive.  I'm a fan of a full embrace, but there's something definitely powerful in having a pair of arms slip around my waist or fold over my chest, hands running down my sides or my stomach.  It's an incredibly intimate move, especially if coupled by a light peck on the cheek or the neck or...

Damn it, if I keep this up, it's boner-ville! [/quote]

You're right, Dee ! Boner-ville/ maximum... Damn, the last 4-5 postings gave me the strongest erections this week. I realise now, once again, how much I like this kind of affection... though I don't talk about it anymore...
Dear Dee, you just put it all in these words. May I just hug you the way you like most ? ;) And, uuh, you too Gus !

(... where was my Concorde ticket, destination US, after all... :p ?)