Do you think males or females enjoy sex more?

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In primitive societies, men feared the female sex drive. It was seen as insatiable and all-consuming, and it is. A woman can wear a man out, and quite happily go to another man and wear him out too. These societies never connected sex and pregnancy, so sex was seen as an end in itself. Once the link between sex and children was made, men attempted to control and master the female sex drive by enslaving it in marriage with one-sided rules. In our society, religion was the way to bring men from the fringes to the mainstream, by having a single male God who dictated rules that were to men's betterment. But, as any anthropological psychologist will tell you, the female capacity for sexual fulfillment is much greater than the male capacity.

Beyond this, I also understand that the sensation of orgasm is more intense for women than men, being more whole-body and less genitally focussed. Men can learn how to have these orgasms, and it isn't hard to do. But the intense whole-body orgasm doesn't come naturally to men, and men do have to work at achieving it.
 

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These societies never connected sex and pregnancy, so sex was seen as an end in itself. Once the link between sex and children was made, men attempted to control and master the female sex drive by enslaving it in marriage with one-sided rules. In our society, religion was the way to bring men from the fringes to the mainstream, by having a single male God who dictated rules that were to men's betterment. But, as any anthropological psychologist will tell you, the female capacity for sexual fulfillment is much greater than the male capacity.

A whole slew of animals associate sex with "pregnancy" - chimps included. They all try to control mating for some reason. Care to reformulate the above to fit the evidence a little better?
 
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A whole slew of animals associate sex with "pregnancy" - chimps included. They all try to control mating for some reason. Care to reformulate the above to fit the evidence a little better?

I am a social and anthropological psychologist, not a biologist. I also know primitive societies controlled and limited sex in various ways, even though they thought the concept that sex led to pregnancy was absurd. But as we can't interview a chimp the way we could interview a Pacific Islander or Australian Aboriginal 250 years ago, we will never really know what their 'beliefs' are.
 

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I am a social and anthropological psychologist, not a biologist. I also know primitive societies controlled and limited sex in various ways, even though they thought the concept that sex led to pregnancy was absurd. But as we can't interview a chimp the way we could interview a Pacific Islander or Australian Aboriginal 250 years ago, we will never really know what their 'beliefs' are.

I think my point was that there is something innate even animal about controlling sexuality.

Second, Egyptians bred dogs for traits at least 5,000 years ago. Who knows what was going on 5,000 years before that. So humans have understood sex and breeding and traits for a long, long time.

I personally think it unknowable that Humans went from bonobo sex lives to chimp sex lives (if they did) because of some higher order of thought or genes or simply culture.
 
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ISecond, Egyptians bred dogs for traits at least 5,000 years ago. Who knows what was going on 5,000 years before that. So humans have understood sex and breeding and traits for a long, long time.

I personally think it unknowable that Humans went from bonobo sex lives to chimp sex lives (if they did) because of some higher order of thought or genes or simply culture.

I was posting about primitive societies, read the definition if you don't know what primitive means. Examples I quoted should have made it clear: Australian aboriginals, Pacific Islanders. There are others: sub-Saharan Africa, Native Americans etc. When early explorers met these people and wrote about them, their lifestyles had not changed for tens of thousands of years. So this is why we research primitive societies, because there is a lot of material about them and they give us an insight into humanity before civilisation. Even today, the Trobriand islands have not changed much.

Tahiti was a goldmine in terms of information in regards to culture and sex. They instructed adolescent boys and girls in advanced sexual practices, and then encouraged them to have sex with one-another. Later they married, but non-monogamously, as they didn't connect a wife having sex with another man as anything more than having sex with another man. They felt it was boring to have sex with the same person over and over. Before marriage, a prospective suitor had to prove to a girl's parents that he could satisfy their daughter, by pleasuring her and having sex with her in front of her parents. If he passed, they could marry.

During those experimentative years, they kept population under control by using herbal abortion, or if that didn't work they practiced infanticide.

This sequence of initiation, experimentation and non-monogamous marriage was common amongst many societies, including Africa, Native America, and Australian aboriginal. The aboriginals sexually 'shared' women with the men of her new family after marriage, and 'family' was a much broader concept than what we practice, and would include cousins as well as brothers.

I know nothing of chimps or bonobos as I am not a biologist, I am a psychologist. But certainly, primitive societies held sex in very high regard, in some cases it was considered sacred, and it was well beyond the quick ten-second in and out of a typical primate coupling. Indeed, they practiced techniques that we could learn a lot from if we studied them (as I learned from what I studied all those decades ago).

There is no comparison, as we have to consider these primitive societies had advanced thinking, reasoning and deducting powers equivalent to our own. The only thing they lacked was the knowledge of biology, and the constraints of a patriarchal religion.
 

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Women of course. Especially when they're lucky enough to get f*cked by me :biggrin:
 

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Men have absolutely no idea how powerful an orgasm can be. Seriously. I'm sure that you enjoy your orgasm, but there is no way it can compare.

Of course, a lot depends on the partner. That much I know. If Cap ever leaves me I will hire the most powerful attorney I can find to get custody of his tongue. Case closed.
 

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Men have absolutely no idea how powerful an orgasm can be. Seriously. I'm sure that you enjoy your orgasm, but there is no way it can compare.

my climax is an anticlimax.
i really can take it or leave it.
i certainly prefer the feeling of a guy having his climax inside me.

if my guys didn't enjoy the sex more than i do then my ego would just die! :tongue:
 

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Men have absolutely no idea how powerful an orgasm can be. Seriously. I'm sure that you enjoy your orgasm, but there is no way it can compare.

my climax is an anticlimax.
i really can take it or leave it.
i certainly prefer the feeling of a guy having his climax inside me.

if my guys didn't enjoy the sex more than i do then my ego would just die! :tongue:

Oh, don't get me wrong. I work very, very hard to make sure he's completely pleasured, too! My arm and jaw may cramp, but dammit I'll get him there!

Of course, the best is the internal explosion. That is one satisfying nightcap!
 

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Oh, don't get me wrong. I work very, very hard to make sure he's completely pleasured, too! My arm and jaw may cramp, but dammit I'll get him there!

Of course, the best is the internal explosion. That is one satisfying nightcap!
and don't get me wrong. i'm a lazy and selfish lover :wink:
 

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Men have absolutely no idea how powerful an orgasm can be. Seriously. I'm sure that you enjoy your orgasm, but there is no way it can compare.

Of course, a lot depends on the partner. That much I know. If Cap ever leaves me I will hire the most powerful attorney I can find to get custody of his tongue. Case closed.

I'll agree that men's orgasm can't really compare to a womens' if we're comparing best vs. best. Still I don't get the sense that women, in general, hear bells and whistles even half the time when different guys are involved. I don't tend to hear men complain about sex that often though. In general I think men enjoy it more because we're simply more conditioned to.