Does McCain have enough knowlege of Iraq?

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  1. D_Kaye Throttlebottom

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    We've drawn down to PRE-SURGE troop levels???

    uhm, psst... Johnny, no, we haven't...in fact Gen. Petreas, was on the hill last month telling Congress that he needed to re-evaluate before sending troops home.

    I've said this before - your past history is not enough, you need situational awareness on the current conflict. Running on your past military experience 30 years ago - doesn't give you situational awareness on what is happening on the ground now.

    Candidates need to get it - YouTube is here to stay.

    Barack hammers McCain on Iraq troop level gaffe - The Jed Report
     
  2. lucky8

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    He doesn't know shit about Iraq, but neither does clinton or obama
     
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    BINGO!

    I suggest a relative handful of people in this country understand Iraq and I wager most of them are Iraqis.
     
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    John, like George knows the utter importance of an establishment in the Middle East, Clinton gets it, but Skippy just doesn’t have a clue. That seems to be a trait of his on many issues from what I see.
     
  5. lucky8

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    Ok, but they still don't know shit about Iraq
     
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    Eh, he's probably on equal footing with others in govt. I'm not concerned about his current knowledge about Iraq, but rather his willingness to learn and accept advice and counsel from those who do.
     
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    it doesnt matter what his knowledge of iraq is. it obviously doesnt even matter that he himself said he doesnt understand the economy, he will still probably be president simply because people will vote for him to spite obama

    i was in my insurance agent's office and we were talking about the election. she (middle class white woman) told me she was voting for mccain. mainly because (her exact words) "his name is hussein and the bible says he is teh anti-christ........he goes to a muslim church"

    i then reasoned with her that every person named charles is evil because manson's first name was charles. or aldolf rupp is evil because hitler's name was also adolf. so she still tried to hit me with the muslim argument. then i let her know that he was at a baptist church and not a mosque. and guess what, she didnt even know the difference.

    then i explained to her that the name "barack hussein obama" is an eastern name .and just because it is an eastern name doesnt make ti a muslim name, but sadly most americans equate middle-easterners with islam, then equate islam with radicals..etc...etc. afterwards i told her about mcain admitting he doesnt understand teh economy and that he voted against the GI bill (that coincidentally put he himself through college) and she said "o well, i'm still voting for mccain because i dont like the other guys name"

    that is sad. people are reducing the election to a trivial popularity contest . voting because of someone's name of if they would have a beer with them. and the worst part is that people are proud of that. and i live in south carolina so i see these types of people everyday. tehy will willingly dig themselves into a deeper hole, just to spite someone else. and then will complain about teh mess they're in a year later.
     
  8. lucky8

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    Nothing new, people voted for Kennedy because he was attractive

    ...and Bush because his last name is Bush
     
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    Exactly my thoughts. His own knowledge of Iraq and his detailed grasp of its intricacies can be proven practically non-existent via a few minute's search on YouTube.

    HOWEVER: if and when he's elected, I have faith in his ability to surround himself with wise and pragmatic advisers. I have no doubt in his patriotism nor in his intrinsic pragmatism.
     
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    For you to raise such an issue is pretty amazing considering Obama hasn't been to Iraq in over 2 years, nor has he sought the opportunity to meet personally with the man in charge (although he did grill Gen. Petraeus during congressional hearings where he could be in front of the cameras). That aside, I don't know why Obama would give a flying fuck about Iraq if in fact he'd pull the troops out immediately as promised.

    We may also note, however, that Obama is the chairman of an oversight committee charged with the force of fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan (something he claims the Bush administration is neglecting in lieu of focusing on Iraq) since early 2007, yet he has been too busy campaigning to hold even one hearing.
     
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    Wow.

    You people need to realize that nobody is keeping score and awarding you points for posting pithy one-liners that appear on their face to twist others' statements against them.

    The single common characteristic that keeps surfacing in people who don't like Obama is this sort of intellectual dishonesty, and it's sickening. You know goddamned good and well why the POTUS would continue to be concerned about Iraq even as he disengages militarily. Quit being a sophomoric douchebag and discuss the matter as a rational adult.
     
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    Obama is going to wind up taking out McCain just like has now dispatched Hillary Clinton. McCain has never encountered a "ground game" like Obama has. This general election is not even going to be close.

    There are conservative articles and blogs circulating even this weekend, predicting a total blowout of McCain.

    Now that the table has been set by the DNC, Obama can get to work on McCain. At this point, I wouldn't put too much stock in what McCain may or may not know. People aren't even showing up for his fund raisers. He is nothing more than a token offering from the GOP. Think, Bob Dole, when you hear McCain's name.
     
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    I'm still at a loss about Bush's choice of a diplomat like Condi Rice to shuttle back and forth trying to make peace in countries where a woman in power is not listened to, and one who looks angry all the time.
     
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    LOL! Writing off the Republican candidate and claiming he doesn’t have massive support within his own party is ludicrous. Obama will end up more of a Bob Dole than John ever will from what I see.

    This country leads the world in economics, military, manufacturing, agriculture, medicine, science, technology and aid. There are some naïve enough to believe Skippy, opps, I mean Obama is up to the task of leading the greatest country in the history of the planet but you can count me as one that doesn’t and I think you will see the general population doesn’t either come election time.
     
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    I see... I'm sophomoric when your M.O. is to refer to me or any other member with whom you disagree (or flat-out dislike) as a feminine hygiene product. Yes sir, that's real "adult-like", alright. A quick search of your name coupled with the offending term confirms your history here as a vulgarity-spewing troglodyte. While it may boost your self-esteem and win you points among your ilk, I've discounted you as far as I can go.
     
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    wow this definately isnt the "greatest country in the history of the planet" . and i doubt that we lead the world in economics when china just had to give us a billion dollars to bail out one of our investment firms. it seems that you are one of teh citizens that think everything is alright at this present moment in time. just remember that denial is a dangerous thing
     
  17. 1BiGG1

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    I invite you to name a country that is, or ever was even remotely close and don’t doubt we lead economically; there is not a close rival there either.

    And China investing in an investment firm here is no news flash, ever look at the money American companies are putting into China right now? China has a rapidly growing economy thanks mainly to the US, Europe and Japan but their GDP (gross domestic product) is nothing compared with that of the US. China ranks 4th worldwide with a GDP of 2.6 trillion, the United States has a GDP of 13.4 trillion (28% of the total GDP worldwide!)

    I think its pretty easy to see that I’m not the one that’s in denial about anything here.
     
  18. D_Fiona_Farvel

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    I agree.
    There are many areas that one could gauge greatness over human history - and while America, not in a Americentric view, has been a comparatively good nation, it still remains to be seen if it will surpass all others and evolve into the "greatest" nation in recorded history.

    I take a similar view as Chou En Lai, who stated in the 1960s (20th Century) about the result of the 18th century French Revolution, to quote "It is still to early to tell". :smile:
     
  19. dong20

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    I don't know where you sourced you figures but from the ones I use China's GDP (PPP 2007) is actually $7 Trillion (excluding Hong Kong with a 2007 est of $296 billion and Macau at $10 Billion). In PPP terms China is second at 50% of the US GDP. In nominal GDP terms ($3.25 trillion) China is as you say, fourth. No matter.

    Funny you should mention denial. I hate to burst your bubble. But Global GDP (PPP 2007) is around $65.8 trillion, of which the US accounts for $13.8 trillion or 21%. Or, if you want to use nominal GDP figures the % rises to 13.8/54 or 25%. It will no doubt surprise you therefore that in 1600 India accounted for 22% of estimated global GDP. Depending on your level of ... denial that's either more, or darned close.

    Anyway, it's estimated that in 1 AD Indian contribution was almost 33% and India remained ahead of the US in terms of global GDP% until almost 1900. I appreciate that financial records are a bit shaky that far back and the US didn't exist in 1 AD or even (technically) in 1600 and I further agree Indian income was in part (especially in the early example) partly 'empire' sourced - but then you cast your challenge rather wide, didn't you?

    My point was to illustrate that while the US is predominant today, it has not always been so, and probably will not be so in the near future, with that thought and to further deflate you, it's fairly generally accepted that the US will be in the #2 spot within 30 years. Besides, I don't measure 'greatness' in strictly monetary terms.:rolleyes:

    GDP Sources
    Report for Selected Countries and Subjects
    Report for Selected Country Groups and Subjects
    https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html
     
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    I suspect the greatest countries are those that go about quietly living their lives minding their own business. Plenty of countries have higher standards of living than we do and most of them are prosperous and thrifty. Many of them have managed to be so longer than we have been around.
     
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