Does this really happen?
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See, Bigintex, everything you just said is exactly what I'm so perplexed by. Women's facilities allow for such privacy. I can't see just sitting on a toilet next to some strange woman taking a piss, knowing full well that there's the possibility we might make eye contact or (God forbid) strike up a conversation. I have a hard time peeing if i even think someone can hear me.
I don't know how you guys do it...
I don't know how you guys do it...
Male urination is a complex and interesting thing, which I believe invokes primal behaviors largely suppressed in civilized society. Thinking back over my professional career, I can count a number of critical discussions and decisions that were made not in the office or conference room, but while the two parties were standing at the urinals (generally with privacy partitions, however). From discussions I've had with others, I don't think this is that unusual. One could argue that the men's room is a sort of private refuge, and that people might be inclined to speak more frankly there than in open meeting spaces. Or, perhaps men engage in ernest conversation to avoid some awkwardness of the situation. However, I think what really happens is that some men, while in the act of urination, get reconnected with some primal confidence factor.
Male animals urinate on things to mark their territory. Urine contains chemical messengers which accomplish this, at least in the wild. I believe human males have this same primal urge. Small boys will often be seen peeing on things, which I believe is their way of acting out the primal territory-marking urge. However, in polite society, we don't tolerate this beyond early childhood, and men do not further exercise this primal urge. (Some do, of course, in various "yellow" fetish activities...)
The basic concept of territory marking is to establish assertiveness, and in so doing to compete with other males. Because of the primal connection between urination and assertive/competitive behavior, I believe that peeing, even against very civilized fine porcelain in the executive men's room, is likely to subconsciously put men in a mindset were they are better able to take an assertive stand against another man. (Plus, they get to hold their penis..but that's another complicated topic.)
The highly varied behavior of men when urinating is doubtless a combination of many complex factors-- Early toilet training and other learned behaviors; Sexual behaviors and mores; How they regard their own bodies; Other self-esteem aspects; Hygene issues; etc. However, I believe at least a part of the behavior is an exhibit of the man's dominant or submissive traits.
There are a lot of odd behaviors at the urinal which make some degree of sense when regarded in this way. Just in the professional workplace, among largely heterosexual men, some of the more interesting dominant ones I have observed include:
Standing three or four feet back from the urinal, and blasting in a stream from there.
Flushing the urinal before, but not always after, peeing. (Getting rid of the other guys mark, while leaving your own.)
Making obvious attempts to create the most possible noise with the urine stream.
Making obvious attempts to make it apparent that a very large voume is being discharged.
Always spitting in the urinal before peeing.
Leaving a considerable quanity of urine on the floor/wall, despite the fact that the design of the urinal is such that hitting the target should be no problem.
Outside the professional workplace, I've noted other interesting behaviors, such as pissing against a tree at a campsite with sparking clean indoor flush-toilet facilities right next to the tree.
You are being so mean!!!! LOL I love the humor...... and the fact that men are so.... oh, wait, I do not want to be expelled from the secret society... shhhh....
I, like you, absinthium, am totally amazed by male facilities. I had never in my life heard of a trough nor could I imagine what one must have looked like. Weird.
All of this is just weird... give me my private stall, with the door and let's strike up a conversation, shall we?
Someone somewhere on here mentioned being in the military and how if removes any modesty you may have. I agree. I think boys/men who spend a great deal of time in male only environments such as the military, predominately male families, male boarding schools, military school and any man from "my generation" before entire world became "coed", are much more comfortable and "revealing" around other men.
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When I go to the movies and it lets out "you know you always gotta take a piss" well me and my friend always share a stall if the urinals are full...its fun! Even my so called straight friends do it with me.... Jose'Latinoboy9
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Great observations, EricBear!
The trough is an especially interesting experience in that it takes away any pretense. Men look at other men's dicks all the time. They either look, sneak a peak, or try SO hard not to look that they may as well look.
The trough just says--no need to sneak a peak--everything is just out in plain view. I am not into piss but I have gotten used to the idea that I appear to be some sort of walking stereotype and guys are gonna check me out if they can. Admiration is admiration. Either that or I'm an attention whore. Who knows?
There are definitly some guys around here that I would love to be at the trough with (among other places).
The trough is an especially interesting experience in that it takes away any pretense. Men look at other men's dicks all the time. They either look, sneak a peak, or try SO hard not to look that they may as well look.
The trough just says--no need to sneak a peak--everything is just out in plain view. I am not into piss but I have gotten used to the idea that I appear to be some sort of walking stereotype and guys are gonna check me out if they can. Admiration is admiration. Either that or I'm an attention whore. Who knows?
There are definitly some guys around here that I would love to be at the trough with (among other places).
Something about trough urinals must make guys feel more comfortable about looking and even talking. I get more comments there than restrooms that have standard urinals. By the way, no matter how drunk they are, I've never seen anyone piss in the sinks at Wrigley (but almost any place outside the stadium seems to be fair game - lol). The biggest problem I've seen at Wrigley is lines forming to get into the bathroom at both the entry and exit doors. Makes it so crowded in there that you can hardly move. Go Cubs!
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There are just some weird situations out there. In a local high school, a boy as a junior, eleventh grade, had a traumatic experience in the boys restroom. He went to professional counselling and wouldn't tell the pyscologist waht happened. Anyway, he started wearing these real long shirts that came almost to the knee. He held it as long as he could and dribbled in his pants slowly so no one would notice. After school as he got close to home and away from other high school students. the "dam" burst and he totally wet his pants. Over time, he got to wear he could stay dry at school most of the time and most of the time make it hom without an accident.
It was at this point that the mother talked to me. I taught him in sixth grade. I told her that the pschologist should write a note to allow him to use the private restroom for teachers during class when the the facility would most likely be empty. That there was no need for him to go through that kind of humiiation everyday, not to mention what that was doing to his body. And that federal law would require the school to do that if the note came from a professional health care specialist.
It wasn't the teachers' fault. He didn't ask. And he hid it so the teachers didnt' know. The parent did talk to the principal and nurse about it. I told the mother that the principal and nurse should provide a suitable place and was surpirsed that the principal and nurse did not work out a plan for personal privacy since this was a psycological problem.
The boy had deep pschological problems. I suspect he was sexually assaulted. He was thin and frail. And even in elementary the guys tried to call him gay. I stopped that as far as I know. But the boy refused to tell what happened. There were reports that he admitted he was gay as a junior and had a boyfriend, but then that wasn't substantiated.
I included this to show that there are guys who will risk wetting their pants rather than use a public trough or public urinal. I dont' have a clue about percentages. But I do know that even in elementary, some boys would wait until the restroom cleared out. And some wanted to wait and go during class. If I realized that was the problem, I let them leave class everyday during class for privacy. It was rare for a boy to be that shy to not go during the break, but it did happen every so often. But there were many that would watch the line and go when the restroom was nearly empty or certain guys were out first.
It was at this point that the mother talked to me. I taught him in sixth grade. I told her that the pschologist should write a note to allow him to use the private restroom for teachers during class when the the facility would most likely be empty. That there was no need for him to go through that kind of humiiation everyday, not to mention what that was doing to his body. And that federal law would require the school to do that if the note came from a professional health care specialist.
It wasn't the teachers' fault. He didn't ask. And he hid it so the teachers didnt' know. The parent did talk to the principal and nurse about it. I told the mother that the principal and nurse should provide a suitable place and was surpirsed that the principal and nurse did not work out a plan for personal privacy since this was a psycological problem.
The boy had deep pschological problems. I suspect he was sexually assaulted. He was thin and frail. And even in elementary the guys tried to call him gay. I stopped that as far as I know. But the boy refused to tell what happened. There were reports that he admitted he was gay as a junior and had a boyfriend, but then that wasn't substantiated.
I included this to show that there are guys who will risk wetting their pants rather than use a public trough or public urinal. I dont' have a clue about percentages. But I do know that even in elementary, some boys would wait until the restroom cleared out. And some wanted to wait and go during class. If I realized that was the problem, I let them leave class everyday during class for privacy. It was rare for a boy to be that shy to not go during the break, but it did happen every so often. But there were many that would watch the line and go when the restroom was nearly empty or certain guys were out first.
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The previous quote concerned boys in school. Now for me. My problem is I am pee shy. No matter how bad I have to go. I freeze if there are a bunch of guys at the trough at one time. I have stood there forever. I have gone in, couldn't go, and returned minutes later and then could go. Makes me matter then hell when that happens. I would rather have my dick on the giant screen in restroom and be able to pee then get in there and freeze. Then I am at the point of an emergency in minutes. So if traveling I piddle around or drive to the next facilty just a few blocks away and finally can do my business.
That is why I always use a stall if the restroom is busy. I try to get one that no one can tell if I am pissing or not. Then I am not as pee shy.
Wonder if I am alone in this? It is the pits.
That is why I always use a stall if the restroom is busy. I try to get one that no one can tell if I am pissing or not. Then I am not as pee shy.
Wonder if I am alone in this? It is the pits.
I haven't taken time to search, Freddie53, but there's another LPSG thread on this subject and a helpful poster explains how multiplying numbers while trying to piss will help. It works! Putting your brain to work with multiplication seems to relieve the shy blatter. Try it, man, it's amazing :excl:
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Flushing the urinal before, but not always after, peeing. (Getting rid of the other guys mark, while leaving your own.)
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[/b][/quote]In the UK (generally speaking) this does not arise. We tend to have urinals that flush themselves automatically when the tank is full (usually I suppose once every 10 to 15 minutes or so), so no Brit ever thinks of pushing a button once he's finished. Although of course these days we also have those swanky automatic ones that rely on some sort of beam being broken as you leave.
Just occasionally, when you hit the wrong moment, there can be such a Niagara released without warning that some of us lpsg men need to be just a bit careful.
In the UK (generally speaking) this does not arise. We tend to have urinals that flush themselves automatically when the tank is full (usually I suppose once every 10 to 15 minutes or so), so no Brit ever thinks of pushing a button once he's finished. Although of course these days we also have those swanky automatic ones that rely on some sort of beam being broken as you leave.
Just occasionally, when you hit the wrong moment, there can be such a Niagara released without warning that some of us lpsg men need to be just a bit careful.
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[/b][/quote]Somewhere in this thread it was stated that ONLY one trough urinal was known (by the poster) to exist in California. Well try this on - - - when I lived in San Diego, I owned and serviced a large number of vending machines which were all located in rest rooms. There were two - not one but TWO - drive in theaters where the men's urinals were ONE WHOLE WALL of the room with a gutter running along in the floor. There must have been something sexually exciting about this type of installation as I can recall being in one of them on a service run and seeing no fewer than six guys (of varying ages) standing there sporting wood (of varying shapes and sizes) none of which was worthy of note and NO, I didn't join them. I had work to do!
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I grew up on the East coast, near New York. There, I knew of only 2 troughs, both at gay bars in New York City, and though them rather odd and unique. (Sadly, the one at the Boots and Saddle is no more.) However, whenever I traveled to California on business, even before I moved there, I encountered troughs everywhere. I can hardly believe that anyone that lives in California could think these are rare, as they seem to be vastly more common in Califonia than elsewhere!
