Does treatment of porn actors make you look at porn differently?

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no i am telling you there are people out there who are forced by their circumstances to take whatever work that is available to them

sometimes to feed their drug habit ( i am not saying all of them does it for this reason)

you are very lucky you never have to do this or maybe you live in a bubble where you are insulated from worst suffering in society.

nothing wrong with that, all of us have different life experiences

you just need realize how lucky you are and stop rubbing salt in other's wound (in fairness, i think you are doing more out of lack exposure than intentional malice)

but i have been exposed to this section of society so i know

you have no idea what it like to have drug habit that consuming and destroying your life and know despite your best effort you may not win, especially if you are not given a helping hand by those around you..

I wish I had one of these bubbles you speak of. I was a single mom returning to school to get a degree. I scratched for grants and scholarships, but I missed that boat by a few years. I was a late freshman. I had to borrow what I could and work for the rest.

I know about being forced to take what you can get. And the pickings were slim, but I chose what I wanted to do - not what I had to do.

And no one would force me to put myself in danger because that's what the market wanted. I was a replaceable pawn, but I would never do anything illegal or personally injurious to me even if it meant losing my job.

Choosing between a job and health is a no brainer. But apparently, some have no brains.
 
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I wish I had one of these bubbles you speak of. I was a single mom returning to school to get a degree. I scratched for grants and scholarships, but I missed that boat by a few years. I was a late freshman. I had to borrow what I could and work for the rest.

I know about being forced to take what you can get. And the pickings were slim, but I chose what I wanted to do - not what I had to do.

And no one would force me to put myself in danger because that's what the market wanted. I was a replaceable pawn, but I would never do anything illegal or personally injurious to me even if it meant losing my job.

Choosing between a job and health is a no brainer. But apparently, some have no brains.
It's a no-brainer for most people. Not everyone has that self-worth and self-preservation instilled in them before they get to adulthood unfortunately. I have noticed that sadly a lot of people leaving government care join the forces in the UK, and this is considered a successful outcome. From the little I know about the porn industry I can see how it would be more appealing to someone with no family or support network.
So, while you were working these shit jobs, did you ever get coerced into a bit of overtime, or covering someone else's shift? I'm pretty sure that porn actors could be coerced into doing unsafe work . I'm even willing to bet that there is a well rehearsed spiel and method for doing so.
 
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It's a no-brainer for most people. Not everyone has that self-worth and self-preservation instilled in them before they get to adulthood unfortunately. I have noticed that sadly a lot of people leaving government care join the forces in the UK, and this is considered a successful outcome. From the little I know about the porn industry I can see how it would be more appealing to someone with no family or support network.
So, while you were working these shit jobs, did you ever get coerced into a bit of overtime, or covering someone else's shift? I'm pretty sure that porn actors could be coerced into doing unsafe work . I'm even willing to bet that there is a well rehearsed spiel and method for doing so.

I'm thinking of something similar in the various jobs I've done.

"Can you grab that pot out of the kiln? Don't bother to use the gloves. It's probably cool enough."

"Just rip the board without the guard. You'll get a more precise cut, and forget the goggles, too."

"No, that gauge has never worked right. It's still OK when it reads in the red."

All of these are true stories that happened to me. I ignored the first two suggestions, and I reported the third. By the way, the gauge was correct, and the valve was faulty and extremely dangerous.
 
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I'm thinking of something similar in the various jobs I've done.

"Can you grab that pot out of the kiln? Don't bother to use the gloves. It's probably cool enough."

"Just rip the board without the guard. You'll get a more precise cut, and forget the goggles, too."

"No, that gauge has never worked right. It's still OK when it reads in the red."

All of these are true stories that happened to me. I ignored the first two suggestions, and I reported the third. By the way, the gauge was correct, and the valve was faulty and extremely dangerous.
Okay then Ellie. Have it your way. Some people are just stupid, and get what is coming to them.
Even if someone is really fucking stupid, that does not make them worthless. It does not make them worth less than you or anyone else. Surely the world would be a better place if the clever, sensible people such as your good self, could find it in their hearts to do whatever they could to protect the people who were so incredibly stupid that they were not all that great at looking after themselves.
 

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Okay then Ellie. Have it your way. Some people are just stupid, and get what is coming to them.
Even if someone is really fucking stupid, that does not make them worthless. It does not make them worth less than you or anyone else. Surely the world would be a better place if the clever, sensible people such as your good self, could find it in their hearts to do whatever they could to protect the people who were so incredibly stupid that they were not all that great at looking after themselves.

I agree that there will always be those who feel trapped and have no choice. But it's because they don't want to make another choice because it would require energy or smarts or both.

Sometimes I feel like I'm mothering some of my staff, and I find it hard not to do that.
 
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I agree that there will always be those who feel trapped and have no choice.
I didn't say that.
But it's because they don't want to make another choice because it would require energy or smarts or both.

Sometimes I feel like I'm mothering some of my staff, and I find it hard not to do that.
I'm not sure you are. It is one of those things that requires empathy. Perhaps your time would be better spent elsewhere.
 

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I didn't say that.

I'm not sure you are. It is one of those things that requires empathy. Perhaps your time would be better spent elsewhere.

You're probably right. Thank you for your input.
 

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I'm thinking of something similar in the various jobs I've done.

"Can you grab that pot out of the kiln? Don't bother to use the gloves. It's probably cool enough."

"Just rip the board without the guard. You'll get a more precise cut, and forget the goggles, too."

"No, that gauge has never worked right. It's still OK when it reads in the red."

All of these are true stories that happened to me. I ignored the first two suggestions, and I reported the third. By the way, the gauge was correct, and the valve was faulty and extremely dangerous.
First restaurant gig was under a pastry chef whom I can only assume was deranged. In fact, my belief in her insanity has served to protect her both from violence, and sabbotage via corporate espionage. I chose to pity her, even as she confessed to deliberate, systematic undermining of my confidence and happiness.

Anyway, she frequently gave me dull tools and insisted I work quickly. I used her dull shit, but I worked slowly. Cutting, slicing, even grating with a dull tool is dangerous. She used to tell me I needed to put my blood, sweat and tears into the place. She said not to be afraid to lose a little skin.

I certainly cried a few times before I left. Another cook once found me crying while I was ostensibly looking for misplaced produce in the walk-in, and advised me not to get caught or she'd get worse- that was her modus operandi. I certainly got sweaty. It was summer when I started there and it was my responsibility to make all the bread and crackers. That's very active work next to a bank of ovens. But I refused to bleed. If Chef gave me shitty tools, I replaced them during my break, or brought mine from home the next day, and just took my time being careful until I did.

My body, my choice.

I understand not everyone has the same values. I wish sex workers were more interested in organizing. I wish they would all take precautions, I can't make them, and I don't believe for a second that if I stop watching they will stop producing.
 

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I wish I had one of these bubbles you speak of. I was a single mom returning to school to get a degree. I scratched for grants and scholarships, but I missed that boat by a few years. I was a late freshman. I had to borrow what I could and work for the rest.

I know about being forced to take what you can get. And the pickings were slim, but I chose what I wanted to do - not what I had to do.

And no one would force me to put myself in danger because that's what the market wanted. I was a replaceable pawn, but I would never do anything illegal or personally injurious to me even if it meant losing my job.

Choosing between a job and health is a no brainer. But apparently, some have no brains.

it is extremely cruel to call people especially those in midst of drug addictions "have no brains"
 
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Question: do they have full control of their brains? I'm writing for the dissent here.
Apparently 1 in 4 adults in the UK will experience mental illness in their lifetime, so it's likely that they may not. I've known people in the past who have made some very poor decisions in the throes of mania for example.
PTSD and Complex PTSD are conditions which are likely to go undiagnosed and can leave people very vulnerable, with a loss of self-worth, and a tendency to be revictimized.
I'm not quite sure how well your brain is working Ellie :p. What you are saying is that you wouldn't choose it because you are a sane person with good self-esteem and the intelligence to find another way to survive. Me too. Good for us :).
Perhaps I am missing the point here? Can you elaborate on what you mean by "do they have full control of their brains?"
 

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Question: do they have full control of their brains? I'm writing for the dissent here.

i think it would be best for us to stop here

i appreciate your input

all i am going to say is there a lot people are being put in situation of hopelessness for various reasons, reality is harsh and mine heart goes out to them
 
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People, I seriously understand who one can be placed in a situation where they feel completely helpless and have no other option but to do the wrong thing. I am very close to someone who's done exactly that. She will not admit that her choices were poor and she felt she had no other. She has told me herself she should have walked away from the situation then, but she did not. She later did and wonders why she didn't do it sooner.

As human beings we habitually lock ourselves into a box with a single mode of thought. We don't realize we have the key, and the lock is of our own making.

One of my best friends lost her husband in an oilfield accident. He was an inspector contracting to a very large company. This guy was a straight arrow, but the company made him check so many tanks per day. He told them it was impossible because of the distance between tanks (he worked the field). They told him to bypass safety standards and that they were overkill anyway.

He rationalized that they must be right since they made the controls.

She got a $14 million settlement that was reduced by 50% because of joint negligence. She lost when the company appealed because major oil company and Texas.

I'm thinking I'm too stubborn to do something that I consider stupid. Don't get me wrong, I've done a whole lot of stupid things, but that's because I didn't think they were stupid. In other words, I didn't have full control of my brain.

If I've insulted anyone with my opinions here remember, it's just my opinion. They're like farts. Everyone has them, but we only like our own. And regardless of how much you dislike mine you will not change the smell.
 
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People, I seriously understand who one can be placed in a situation where they feel completely helpless and have no other option but to do the wrong thing. I am very close to someone who's done exactly that. She will not admit that her choices were poor and she felt she had no other. She has told me herself she should have walked away from the situation then, but she did not. She later did and wonders why she didn't do it sooner.

As human beings we habitually lock ourselves into a box with a single mode of thought. We don't realize we have the key, and the lock is of our own making.

One of my best friends lost her husband in an oilfield accident. He was an inspector contracting to a very large company. This guy was a straight arrow, but the company made him check so many tanks per day. He told them it was impossible because of the distance between tanks (he worked the field). They told him to bypass safety standards and that they were overkill anyway.

He rationalized that they must be right since they made the controls.

She got a $14 million settlement that was reduced by 50% because of joint negligence. She lost when the company appealed because major oil company and Texas.

I'm thinking I'm too stubborn to do something that I consider stupid. Don't get me wrong, I've done a whole lot of stupid things, but that's because I didn't think they were stupid. In other words, I didn't have full control of my brain.

If I've insulted anyone with my opinions here remember, it's just my opinion. They're like farts. Everyone has them, but we only like our own. And regardless of how much you dislike mine you will not change the smell.
Farts? Really? o_O. We could have ended up discussing social problems, duty of care vs human rights, or any number of things.

I have read back through the thread, and I honestly can't tell what your opinion is exactly, all I am able to glean from your posts on this subject is an "I'm alright, Jack" attitude.
 

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Let's put it this way: people can do whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't force someone to do something they do not want to do.

Personally, since I'll never be a pornographic actress I'll never get a say in what's allowed on the set. And since I'm not a drug user I'll never be impaired by them to make bad decisions. I can make bad decisions perfectly sober. Wallowing into this thread is a prime example.
 

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I should add that I don't think I have ever paid for porn. I think I tipped some cam girls and couples while checking out that scene. I think I funded that account with $25 and that if I ever remember what the site and login we're, $15 is still there. Something like that. But magazines? Those I got for free. VHS? Those were given to me by an old boyfriend cleaning house while we were dating. DVDs? Bootlegs passed on to me by a friend. I watch free, streaming porn like everyone else. All the ads are for "dating services" or penile enhancements I don't use. So I'm not even clicking support. Before free porn, I just got off watching Hollywood love scenes. Oh! I have paid to be inside venues for swinging, and they do play interesting porn there sometimes. Do people actually buy porn?
 
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I'm very picky about the porn I watch. Consenting adults who seen like they're having a good time and the genre I'm interested in at the moment are the main thing. I don't pay for porn. I don't click ads, I don't download it, I don't share it/promote it. I have done adult/sex work. More specifically it was cam work from the safety of my own home. I still chose what I would and wouldn't do. It wasn't a decision made out of desperation, a habit/addiction, or at all related to my mental health. Most of the individuals I know who did or do that kind of work aren't doing it out of desperation.

I have known and survived hitting the bottom, or at least damn close to it (for living in a first world country). I've been homeless and jobless during the winter in Detroit freaking Michigan. I still made my own decisions. I have not ever had a habit other than moderate caffeine consumption. The entire time I was homeless and in dire situations Ichose to not be a thief, I chose not to fuck strangers for money, I chose to hold onto what I hold dear. People are largely responsible for their own actions. Personal accountability seems to be an underrated characteristic to some. I've lived my entire life with some pretty awful mental health stuff, but I still don't blame others for any stupid decisions I've made.

So, no, other than the excerpts I've seen where a porn actor's consent was clearly being violated? It doesn't affect my porn viewing.
 

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Having also been homeless, I also chose not to have sex for money or any other compensation.

Some people don't make that decision.

The bits of porn I have seen tend to have a drug haze.
I contend that high is a barrier to consent.

One cute couple who did some amateur released under chopstick charm. Sure, he did a lame PUA page, too