Domestic Terrorism & Right Wing Violence

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Polarizing? Sure. Off base? No, this is a thread about right wing domestic terrorist which both O'Reilly and Hannity endorse.

I'm not painting a broad stroke here either, not all conservative talking heads are stirring up violence with their vitriolic hate speech. Shepherd Smith on Fox News is backing off on his rhetoric, and even Michael Savage has condemned these right wing nutjobs.

But go ahead and stick your head in the sand regarding these right wing nuts. It benefits the Democrats more than you could imagine.

Then perhaps the GOP will collapse and an intellectually honest, true economic conservative party might come into power as an opposition, and I'd be happy to start voting again.

Jesus man, take some of your own advice. My post is in reference to the 3rd (willtom27) and the 4th post (javyn) in the thread. I should have made a pointed reference so as not to challenge your mightiness.

I find willtom27 quite knowledgeable but I thought his reference was not relevant in this thread. The post by javyn was outright polarizing and way off base.

My statements tend to be point of fact about day to day goings on. I'm sorry you felt threatened but I shall leave you to your devices. You choose to fight your battles your way but I prefer to leave the name calling and personal insults at the door as ad hominem proves nothing about an issue.
 
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And when some extreme left-winging nutjob who listens to Jeremiah Wright goes out and kills a Jew, then we'll talk. Until then, stick to the topic. :rolleyes:

We're talking about Violent Domestic TERRORISM and you bring up that old song"J wright". Jeremiah Wright may say whacked out things, but he has never resorted to violence and is not a domestic terrorist.

Yeah, okay, he just spews hate speech on a regular basis and is in an influential position. From whom do you suppose some of these whackjobs draw their inspiration that propels them to violence? That's right, people of influence. Wake up.
 
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You won't get an apology or anything else from the Republican party. If they say anything other than a standard condemnation and note of sympathy to the victims, then the Republicans will be associating themselves with these nutjobs. They don't dare do that.

FYI, fascism is on the right wing political spectrum, not the left. The antithesis of fascism is communism. Just ask Hitler, Mussolini, Mao, and Lenin.

The GOP is white but I think it wrong to draw a parallel between that and the occasional whack job who goes on a murderous vendetta for some perceived injustice. Right now the GOP is left with the most unattractive spokespeople possible as the party has lost support among moderates. The party has become more extreme, less representative, and less appealing to the average American. My mom, a Republican, isn't bothered by this. She's happy to see the traitors leave the big tent! That's really her attitude. She watches Fox, listens to Rush and Sean, and last night tried to convince me not to go into New York tomorrow because she's worried I'll get avian flu and die. I see the effect of all that fear mongering on her. She complains that the American car companies failed because they didn't push safety as the most important aspect of their cars because safety is the most important thing to everyone who buys a vehicle. She truly doesn't understand that some people don't hold safety to be the single most important factor in buying a car. As for her, she's buying another gigantic SUV when the time comes because she's convinced it's the safest thing to drive even though it isn't. This is all right out of the Rush/Sean playbook.

It's fear, fear, fear, fear, fear. Even health care reform. All the comparisons made are the US vs. Canada and the US vs. the UK and aren't we lucky we aren't them! When I went to Ireland the last time a few years ago she even advised me to only drink the water after it was boiled :rolleyes:.

My mom worries too much. Yet she also reflects the views of many older, white, American voters who have the same life experiences. They do not see the need for America to change its myths and grow beyond the post- World War II economic and military leviathan who controlled the world while everyone else was literally picking-up the pieces of devastation. She's a smart, literate, funny woman who dearly loves her family but she also couldn't sleep for weeks following 9/11 because she worried about my step-sister and other family members living in New York. Even now she's offered to help my step-sister and her fiance with their mortgage just to get them to move out of Manhattan.

My mother is terrified of terror and so are many like her. She's convinced that Bush and Cheney, "kept us safe," despite the fact the largest terror attack in the world happened during their administration. She's convinced everyone in detention is a terrorist and should be tortured. She's convinced any sort of health care reform is a giant mistake that will mean weeks or years of waiting for sub-standard care yet acknowledges that we have to do something. She's certain that Pelosi and Obama want to establish a socialist government that will confiscate everyone's wealth and give it to the poor yet wants amnesty for illegals because the Mexicans at the barn where she boards her horse are, "such hard workers," and being the good Calvinist she was brought-up to be, hard work is to be admired above all things.

She's not alone. I hear this kind of thing all over the sleepy, well-to-do town I live in despite the fact that more liberal-leaning city people have moved here. These are people she doesn't like and wants to move to South Carolina to avoid. And if people like her are all over my town, how many others are just like her in similar towns all over the country?

You listen to propaganda enough, you tend to believe it even if you try to resist doing so. It's just the way humans are wired. Until the GOP gets control of the reins and actively starts breaking with the Fox/talk radio crowd, they will not achieve the kind of success they seek. America is different from what it was and will not be so again. The members of the GOP like my mom won't ever acknowledge that. They're too old or too trapped in paradigms which worked so well in the past but which are now obsolete. The party of conservatism has become the party of nostalgia and that just doesn't work as the forces of demographics, economics, global politics, and geography force the US to evolve or die.

What many of us witness as a new era is just as equally the death of another; one that is deeply held by many Americans who have no experience of being poor, LGBT, non-Christian, a minority, an immigrant, or living in a country that isn't top dog. They don't understand what is happening and feel threatened. Rather than adapt, they will be left behind to become more fearful, frustrated, and angry. That's where the nutjobs will come from and which is why they seem to be right-wing nutjobs, not left-wing nutjobs.

If you want to see left-wing nutjobs, go back just a bit to the days of union formation and the ascendency of the Communist party in the US when violence wasn't rare. McKinley and Garfield were both assassinated by left-wing nutjobs. Now just isn't the time of the right in its current incarnation and when people feel disenfranchised, that's when they go to the rifle.
 

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Yeah, okay, he just spews hate speech on a regular basis and is in an influential position.

Did anyone say that, Veep? I don't ever recall anywhere on this thread or on this forum where anyone said that Jeremiah Wright was an "influential person". So why jump to this conclusion? Come on man, you're wiser than this!

From whom do you suppose some of these whackjobs draw their inspiration that propels them to violence? That's right, people of influence. Wake up.

You don't think I know that already? Have you been reading anything that I've said on this thread? Or are you pulling a starinvestor and assuming that I'm here just to bash conservatives? Let me repost my disclaimer...

This isn't an issue about the 1st Amendment or denying people the right to Free Speech. This isn't about being "politically correct" or focusing on some kind of "liberal agenda". This isn't another thread to become an argument about one's morality about torture, abortion or baby foreskin. I hope this becomes a thread that focuses on accountability for what people say, the message it portrays even if it doesn't say it by exact words, and acknowledging the fact that actions do sometimes result in negative reactions that could do more harm than good.

Many of the "conservatives" on this board have been adamant to label me as a "blind, dirty liberal". I expect them to do this because the majority of my dissenters can only think in binary. However, I'm more objective and open minded than these ill-informed people assume even though my beliefs lean toward the left. You're one of the few remaining conservatives on this board that I'm willing to listen to and debate with. Let's not make this another battle on propaganda and rhetoric, OK?


On a side note... thank you, jason_els for the great post!
 
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Chill, dude... my comments were primarily directed at Industrialsize and his histrionics. It's expected that he'll go off the deep end whenever anyone says anything that remotely relates his savior Obama. :rolleyes:

As for you, how could I not want to engage your rugged handsomeness in spirited debate? :wink:

Anyway, one's clergy is generally considered to be influential in their life. I mean, as a "left-leaner" (shall we say), aren't you of the opinion that the right is "overly" religious?
 

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Chill, dude... my comments were primarily directed at Industrialsize and his histrionics. It's expected that he'll go off the deep end whenever anyone says anything that remotely relates his savior Obama. :rolleyes:

But you quoted me too, dude...
And to be honest, Indy is making the same point as I am.

As for you, how could I not want to engage your rugged handsomeness in spirited debate? :wink:

Now you're just trying to butter up the competition.
Grant it, it's working... :redface:
But I digress. Serious talk now! :wink:

Anyway, one's clergy is generally considered to be influential in their life. I mean, as a "left-leaner" (shall we say), aren't you of the opinion that the right is "overly" religious?

Actually, I don't.
When it comes to religion, I see its influence on people regardless of political affiliation. If it's not the issue of Abortion, where liberals tend to be pro-choice and conservatives tend to be pro-life, it's about something else like Homosexuality and Gay Rights which has its opponents entrenched on both sides of the political spectrum. It's not just conservatives who vote against Gay Marriage, and it's not just conservatives who gay bash either.

But lately, a lot of fear mongered, hateful propaganda is being spewed from the conservative base and it has the potential to provoke the lunatics on either side to react. I personally believe that a lot of the attacks from the extremists can be prevented if regular, rational thinking people were adamant to shoot down their rhetoric and really call these people out for their deeds. If the shoes were on the other feet in government, I would be just as vocal about it. I'm digressing a bit, but I think you get what I'm saying.
 

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I don't see where any of those events has anything to do with the price of tea in China.

Those acts weren't motivated by having a black president.

Let's see, an anti-abortion nut, an anti-semite, and a remark about Sotomayor being a reverse-racist have what to do with Obama?

The only acts that are directly related to Obama are the tea parties.

And there is going to be a doozie in D.C. on July 4th.

Unfortunately, I'll be in Texas that weekend. Maybe play a round of golf with HazelGod. Lol.

The old man who killed the guard at the Holocaust Memorial on Wednesday is an anti-semite racist, and it seems the fact that Obama is President may have had something to do with his going over the edge.

Obama 'created by Jews,' museum killing suspect wrote - CNN.com

James von Braunn wrote in his notebook...
"The Holocaust is a lie. Obama was created by Jews. Obama does what Jew owners tell him to do. Jews captured America's money. Jews control the mass media. The 1st Amendment is abrogated --henceforth," von Brunn wrote, according to an FBI agent's affidavit.

Previous online postings attributed to James von Brunn promoted the claim that Obama has no valid U.S. birth certificate, a debunked theory rejected by U.S. courts and refuted by a certified copy of his birth certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health.

A November 2008 post that appeared under von Brunn's name declared, "There is no Obama documentation -- no records -- no paper trail -- none -- this is no accident. It is being done on purpose with Media help -- but to serve whom & why???"

Now where have we heard that before? Various pundits have been yapping about the birth records nonsense for months. Some of our more gullible members here have even bought into it.

Yeah, okay, he just spews hate speech on a regular basis and is in an influential position. From whom do you suppose some of these whackjobs draw their inspiration that propels them to violence? That's right, people of influence. Wake up.

You are right. The major media outlets allow some real liars and haters on the airwaves on a regular basis. I just read this story on the Huffington site about Jeff Beck positing the Adolf Hitler was a left-winger! It doesn't take much for some of these mentally challenged whack-jobs like Brunn to believe shit like this and turn those beliefs into action.

Joseph A. Palermo: Glenn Beck Spins the Holocaust Museum Shooting

Praise Allah.. I never see this guy's show.
 

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vince: Saw a recent Glenn Beck video on YouTube. YouTube - Glenn Beck ties 9/11 Truthers to Holocaust Shooting and White Supremacy

10 minutes of the most ridiculous, fear mongering "news" I have seen in a long time. He tries to link the Holocaust Museum shootings to 9/11 and says that James Von Brunn is a "hero" to 9/11 Truth Movement among other things. So, here's the message that Beck has been spewing between the link you provided, as well as the video on YouTube:

1. Adolf Hitler was "left wing"
2. Political Correctness caused Von Brunn to shoot up a Holocaust Museum
3. "9/11 Truthers" consider Von Brunn to be a hero.
4. Obama is responsible for the violence because his policies.

This is exactly the type of thing I wanted this thread to focus on. It's people like Beck that we need to take to task for spreading this bullshit out there. He claims to be the "informer", warning people that these so-called "supremacist nut cases" are out there and are ready to strike. Completely ignoring the fact that commentary like this continues to further infuriate the situation. I mean, do we REALLY need a 10 minute segment about how we have crazy people on our planet, never mind our country, looking for an excuse to go AWOL?

If Beck thinks the pot is boiling over, then he's making sure the fire underneath it stays on high.
 

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I think the issue is really about the mainstream media -- in particular, the extreme views on conservative talk radio and Fox. Political attacks have often been scurrilous since the beginning of the Republic, but there seems to be a nexus of political opposition and just plain crazy. Here are a few of the 'controversies' that have gotten a lot of attention recently.

-- Obama's birth certificate and status as 'natural born'
-- Obama is a Socialist/Fascist/Communist
-- Creating a global currency to replace the dollar
-- FEMA concentration camps
-- Private army being created by Obama
-- Obama a secret Muslim
-- Obama 'bows' to the Saudis

But, the above are not just the rants of lonely, bitter idiots huddled over their sweat-stained political manifestos. All the above were *taken seriously* by major media figures like Hannity, Beck, and Limbaugh (Oh My!). Hey, I am all for political discourse, but when politics and just bat-shit crazy mix, I think it is bad for everyone.

Oh, and for the, false equivalence crew, yes, there are crazies on the left. Amy Goodman claimed that Bush lied to get us into a war of geopolitical ambition .... wait *that* is true. (Now, Amy is a real liberal, so stop whining about Keith Olbermann.)
 

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Pulitzer Prize winning Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post get's it exactly right as usual:
Feeding the Lone Wolves

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We are blessed to live at a time when violent acts of hatred based on race, ethnicity or religion have become rare, at least in this country. As the act of terrorism committed Wednesday at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum should remind us, though, rare doesn't mean nonexistent."

washingtonpost.com
 

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I don't see where any of those events has anything to do with the price of tea in China.

Those acts weren't motivated by having a black president.

Let's see, an anti-abortion nut, an anti-semite, and a remark about Sotomayor being a reverse-racist have what to do with Obama?

The only acts that are directly related to Obama are the tea parties.

And there is going to be a doozie in D.C. on July 4th.

Unfortunately, I'll be in Texas that weekend. Maybe play a round of golf with HazelGod. Lol.


as usual, so wrong


YouTube - Olbermann Drags Dr.Pauls Name Into The von Brunn Picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jw3o...3193D0F3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=25

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzd5n9BicSk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uRePTMFsbs&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfTaQ2xXhZ8&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_VgZF9vzOI&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bVTE0qEf0o&feature=related



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