Don Imus Controversy

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That would be an expensive uphill battle. You'd have to point to a definition of "ho", which would be tougher than some think, since common - and, incidentally, despicable - modern usage doesn't actually mean "whore" in any meaningful sense. "Whore" as a slang synonym for "prostutite" wouldn't be so difficult to demonstrate. But if he said "ho", that's not quite the same.

It really doesn't warrant this much analysis. Imus decides to call a group of trained, hard-working athletes a bunch of "nappy-headed hos out there", no one really needs to debate what he meant. It was derrogatory on both a racist and sexist level, and if you haven't heard anyone bitching about sexism on this site, you sure haven't read many of MY posts. Yes, it's a little lonely being one of the very few women on here, and knowing how often the majority membership of MEN think I'm a whiny little bitch, but I do it anyway. Why do you think I'm so passionate about gay rights? It's because I know how it feels to be disregarded based on something that's just a part of my nature. It fucking sucks.

There's NO difference in the effects of racism, sexism, or discrimination based on orientation. It's ALL bullshit, and yes I DO stand up for these issues, every chance I get. It's not realistic to say I care about one to the exclusion of the others, completely untrue.

How much harder should these girls have to work to gain respect for their accomplishments? No matter how hard they work, what obstacles they have to overcome to succeed in a world where they are viewed as "less than" right out of the gate, some archaic old fat white fuck can still brush them off as "nappy-headed hos" and sit on his self-righteous ass and feel smug. ANYONE on the receiving end of this would be insulted, funny it's white guys who are not, and don't see it. I'm disappointed.

What also needs to be understood is that the boundaries of "political" speech were left undefined. It's not up to me, or you, or some activist, or a mob of the hoi polloi to determine those boundaries. And a good thing, too - it's all that keeps life in a society soaked with PC extremists tolerable.

Okay, so we're back to conservatism, that's fine. Looks like this one landed square in the lap of big business, whose responsibility is to its share holders. I'm satisfied with that. Americans get to vote with our money, and I don't think we feel like supporting racist, sexist, antiquated old bastards like Imus. I'm glad it came up, as I said, I always like it when idiots talk.

He shouldn't have called anyone "hos". But that's sexism, maybe. I don't see anyone bitching about sexism here. This is just another LPSG racist rant about the evils of whitey. Fuck that.

Well, if you're asserting that whitey has no responsibility for that image, that's insane. I'm the first to bitch about the share women have in the negative views men have of us, not to take ownership of the obvious is mere scapegoating, and it makes "whitey" look like exactly what he probably is.:rolleyes:

Fortunately, there are fewer and fewer "whities" out there who are still holding fast to their supremacist attitudes, and fewer and fewer Americans willing to tolerate them. Haha, there's an lpsg-style outing going on, and the fucktards who have been safely hiding their filth in the shadows are going to have to start answering for who they really are and what they stand for. If he ain't a big enough boy to stand behind his words, he's a big fat hairy pussy. I'm just glad everyone gets to see it.

By the way, this isn't about just one particular phrase, it's about the fact that he obviously feels that black women are not deserving of respect that he would pay other athletes. Yeah, fuck that guy. I don't want him apologising for a remark. He needs to apologise for BEING a racist, not saying a racist thing, that's just a symptom. Frankly, I don't need an apology at all, I never do. I'm happy enough when everyone else gets to point and laugh and say "Look at the retard, thank GOD most of us have outgrown that kind of ridiculous thinking".
 
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as for nappy, it can be racist, though it's not one of those words that's exclusively bad (such as the n-word, or the c-word). i mean, when i had long hair, and i went surfing, my hair became nappy.

Did anyone call you nappy headed? No, of course not, because you're not black. You make it seem that I'm so stupid I can't tell whether I've truly been insulted or not, and I'm sure you didn't intend that. At least not consciously.

Nappy is racist. Particularly in the context in which the statements were made: comparing a team of black girls from an urban university to a team of white girls from Texas. Saying "it can be racist", as if there was some doubt, is disingenuous at best and aiding and abetting at worst.

There was a news conference held at Rutgers today and the basketball coach made a statement. It was absolutely wonderful. Brilliant! The radio station played the whole thing. She pointed out that the primary tragedy of this entire situation is that this controversy has put all of the focus on Imus instead of on the girls where it rightfully belongs.

These 10 girls, (yes girls -5 of them just graduated from High School and are freshman- there are NO seniors on the team) overcame unbelievable obstacles, including surgery and early losses, to get to the Championships. They did this while attending one of the top 8 Universities in the country with arguably one of the three toughest curriculums in the US. Those 5 freshman girls came from the bottom of the league to the championships and still maintained a 3.0 average between them. They are smart, classy, articulate, determined fighters and the epitome of what every American holds up as an example to other youngsters to show them what can be achieved through hard work and belief in yourself.

Yet, when Don Imus looked at them he saw nappy-headed hos.

Every American should be appalled at what he said. He can joke about politicians, professionals etc on his show all he wants. But these kids are not politicians. They're not professionals. They're students for cripes' sakes! They should be lauded, appreciated and given the praise that they have earned and that they rightly deserve. Their time in the sun was brutally snatched away from them and every American adult should be coming to their defense.

Free speech. Did Don Imus have the right to be an asshole? Yes. But he also has the right to choose otherwise..

People like to act that this racist crap is just words. that it doesn't hurt. that it really doens't matter in the long. Well, you're wrong. It does hurt. Bad. And the damage lingers.

And sorry joeyrobbie but you're mistaken.The "hymietown" comment was made about an entire town with no specific individuals pointed out or diminished. Imus' comments were specifically aimed at a specific group of girls and aimed at belittling and denigrating them personally. That's an entirely different kettle of fish and is no indication of any type of double standard.
 

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My college friend and I were discussing this on the way to work this morning. He relates Imus statements to a 4 year old who picks up on foul street language of rappers, is amused by the cadence of the language, and parrots the foul language to others, not realizing the significance of the language. But Imus is not a 4 year old child: he's a radio commentator. He's been on the air at least 10 years longer than the women players from Rutgers have been alive.


There's no interpretation of the slurs that provides Imus with a defense. These young women are the exact opposite of sluts - they're disciplined, they've maintained a good academic standing at a reputable university, and they've worked hard towards a goal. Nothing about their behavior warranted that comment. That's why Imus statements were just foul ... (I mean both ugly and unsporting and unfair).


As for why the comments are so strongly racists and sexist, you have to consider that there's no equivalent for the "mainstream" majority.
  • What's the equivalent of "nappy-headed" for the racial majority?
  • What's the equivalent of "cunt" for a man?
There is no equivalent! (As a contrast, a blond-haired, beer guzzling frat boy is hardly an epithet -- it's something that America condones in popular culture). These women aren't political figures, where political scrutiny and criticism is "allowed".
 

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Hmmmm, How can I put this without holding back.....oh yes, OK, here goes;
Don Imus is a 60 something year old has-been RACIST FUCKO RETARD!

He opened his big mouth, like he always does, he let it fly, again like he always does, and he got nailed for it. '

Piss on him, he abused the 1st amendment too far this time, & now he's paying for it.
 

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U know actually I never hear of him until this....
it came to my mind that his name, popularity and ratings were dying so...
he may have did this to get his name by in the news....
Well... must say it's working...risky...but working:confused:
Sad that this is the way he chose to do:confused: on the back of blacks.
Thx for your reply.

I too was like you, I never even knew there was a battle for the NBC radio job between Imus and Stern @ NBC until Howard Stern's documentary movie of himself brought it to my attention (I saw the movie on cable I think). He made it out to be the radio show version of Letterman vs Leno. As for Stern, good riddens to him too, I'm glad the FCC chased him to satellite (Sirius) radio. I wouldn't pay $ 10 a month to listen to him or Imus, I never listened to Stern when his show was free. So many negroes I know and have talked to about it (they brought it up as I wasn't aware it had happened even) have never even heard of him either, they simply weren't aware he even existed, then when they saw pictures of how old Imus is, you have to realize the guy is older than dirt or looks like it, perhaps even senile. He's 67, but my dad in his mid-eighties looks better than Imus. Of course my dad wasn't an alcoholic and cocaine addict for as long as Imus was in his lifetime. That stuff catches up, look at Ozzie Osbourne. During his career he partyed, then he just got old and now when you look at him, listen to him, he's almost totally incoherent. It's a shame when some people don't know when to call it a career. Their employers can't, because it would be age discrimination, I'll bet Imus would be the first to use the Age card, like others use the race card. This was ridiculous banter about the appearance of a women's college basketball team, was it accurate ? This probably goes on publicly by Joe American worse than what Imus and his producer were talking about. I'll be the first to say it, I have no use for the WNBA, and I'm fast losing having any interest in a lot of sports, simply because of the criminal element that detracts from the competition. On the other hand, I guess the Rutgers women's basketball team doesn't deserve the insinuation until they actually are guilty of being worthy of being called nappy headed hoes as a combined group though. To me it's no big deal. I find it interesting though, it's like Imus was talking with himself though in this, there was another guy, his producer that was also just as guilty of the faux pax.

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Imus"
 

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I can't understand what so many people get out of listening to hateful shock jocks like Imus. Christ, isn't there enough spite and unhappiness in the world already without deliberately stirring up up more of it on national radio shows? I mean, what good ever comes out of it?
 

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Did anyone call you nappy headed? No, of course not, because you're not black.

actually, my black coworker momo would always call me nappy headed whenever i would come into work from the beach


You make it seem that I'm so stupid I can't tell whether I've truly been insulted or not, and I'm sure you didn't intend that.

excuse me? where the fuck did i even imply that i was calling anyone stupid, other than imus?
 

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And sorry joeyrobbie but you're mistaken.The "hymietown" comment was made about an entire town with no specific individuals pointed out or diminished. Imus' comments were specifically aimed at a specific group of girls and aimed at belittling and denigrating them personally. That's an entirely different kettle of fish and is no indication of any type of double standard.

I don't agree. "Hymie" is a derrogatory name for Jews. Therefore, all Jews could be offended - no matter how many - and in Jesse Jackson's case - all Jews in NYC. Imus used the words "nappy headed hos" - degrading African-American women. Yes, he specifically targeted the Rutgers players but all African-American women could be offended. Jackson was belittling all Jews in NYC just as Imus belittled all African-American women. Imus should be punished - Jackson should be punished, too. And we all, regardless of color or creed, should be offended by any kind of racial slur. We should be just as angry at Imus as we are at Jackson as we are of Tupac for lyrics laced with racism and violence.
 

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Imus just got a new contract - i bet part of his whole thing a very poor marketing idea to stir up controversy and therefore listeners and media hype (any publicity is good publicity). I dont know if that was mentioned inthe trhead or not.

Off topic, but I heard onthe radio last night that there is a high school in Georgia that still has a separate prom for black kids and white kids. And the students are the ones trying to change it.
 

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When will folks realize that political incorrectness for the sake of political incorrectness is just as robotic, insincere, and manipulative as knee-jerk pc-ness?

To me Imus's comments just make me wonder what a black woman has to do to get any respect in our society. If Mr. Imus thinks so poorly of well-educated, high-achieving women of color what must he think of those of more modest means?
 

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I certainly agree that these remarks should not have been made, but I can't help but wonder. If this SINGLE comment can stir up so much heated discussion, then how does someone like Dave Chapelle continue to have a market in television when much of what he considers "comedy" I find to be either racially insensitive or simply crude?
 

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He's a racist. Fuck him hope they burn his ass. Give his radio time slot to Al Sharpton.

Yeah. Because Al Sharptons hasn't a prejudiced bone in his body. :tongue:

I heard this Imus guy also said, "Isn't the Times Wonderful? It lets the cleaning lady cover the White House." This was supposedly said in reference to Gwen Ifill some time ago after she decided not to return his producer's phone calls inviting her to appear on his show. She was geting many such offers, but was too busy for any of them. She was the White House correspondent at the time, and Bill Clinton's tenure was... um... eventful. I mus says he had a character on his show patterned after David Duke who actually made the remarks.

I also heard that a character on his show, supposedly a Bill Clinton impersonator said, "Well, Senator Obama is obviously generating some serious cash flow in a non-traditional way ... he's selling crack. Or he's pimping. Which, I guess is pretty much the same thing euphemistically speaking. I mean, I don't want to start rumors but the money had to come from somewhere...""Well, Senator Obama is obviously generating some serious cash flow in a non-traditional way ... he's selling crack. Or he's pimping. Which, I guess is pretty much the same thing euphemistically speaking. I mean, I don't want to start rumors but the money had to come from somewhere..." That was just Friday, AFTER he made his "nappy-headed 'ho's" comment.


I don't know. I don't listen to the show. I happened to be in a convenience store when the comments regarding the ladies at Rutgers were re-aired that Wednesday. That's the first time I ever heard of this schlemiel. He sounds to me like that other shmendrik, Howard Stern. They should be lovers. I bet they can't stand each other they're too much alike.
 

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If Imus were black no one would have batted an eye.

Well, of course not. There is a difference in that line being deliverd by Chris Rock versus Imus and we should not have to discuss why that is here.

Just as when a woman calls another woman a bitch, no one bats an eye. When a man says it, it's a problem.

Why are you bringing up distractors again Shelby?
 

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I certainly agree that these remarks should not have been made, but I can't help but wonder. If this SINGLE comment can stir up so much heated discussion, then how does someone like Dave Chapelle continue to have a market in television when much of what he considers "comedy" I find to be either racially insensitive or simply crude?

the difference is that chapelle isn't racist; he's a satirist.
 

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the difference is that chapelle isn't racist; he's a satirist.

Thank you, thank you, thank you! Nixxy, you get the rubber chicken of the year award, I really can't believe there are human beings sucking up air on my planet who still need to be told this. It boggles my mind.

I also can't believe there are people who don't understand the difference between people taking shots at their OWN group, and someone from the outside taking shot AT them. Too stupid to have to explain. Really.

Lastly, how can you be retarded enough to think that people who are friends calling each other "nigger, bitch, ho or queer" are the same as people using these words to separate themselves from said group and degrade them?

I have a prejudice against stupid people. I know it's a subjective prejudice, but I'm not interested in giving it up.
 

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Not quite, Shelby. Even if you ignore the 11% of this nation that is African-American, Imus still managed to offend the 51% of this nation that is female.


And it would be fair to assume at least a certain percentage of MEN who have daughters, or are just decent people.