Donald trump leads a new republican presidential nationwide poll

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Trump has been all over the map on virtually every issue. At this point he is like a voters rorschach test. People see what they want to see. He has no core set of beliefs or principles. What his ultimate agenda is, I have no idea (I doubt he does), but he will work with anyone and everyone to see his cause of the week get rolling.
 
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As I said, they'll all be jumping aboard the bandwagon, all those who've ever harbored a thought akin to his demagoguery, as well as many who THOUGHT they didn't. Meanwhile those on the cusp and other disaffected elements will begin offering all sorts or rationalizations as to how a Trump presidency would be preferable to a Clinton one.

Nobody in Congress likes Trump. If he was President, maybe Congress would work harder?
 

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and i think there was a mention the other day Trump would revisit aka change whats been agreed on at the Paris summitt on CC huh
with animals like this one under hius wing, its no wonder
expect as the years move on, there will/should be more using the laws in place, to combat such foolishness

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Here's What Trump's Energy Advisor Thinks of Fracking, the Saudis, and Climate Change

The United States has to protect its domestic oil industry and should make no apologies for being one of the world's largest energy consumers, Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump's new energy adviser said Thursday

https://news.vice.com/article/heres...nks-of-fracking-the-saudis-and-climate-change
 

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ROTFLMAO. Be serious.
They'd work harder at scandalizing and subterfuge. I'm not talking about the likes of the Genifer Flowers/ Monica Lewinsky Affair either. I was thinking more along the lines of the bribery scandals in the late 19th century and the Robber Barons, et.al.
 

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Nobody in Congress likes Trump. If he was President, maybe Congress would work harder?
ROTFLMAO. Be serious.

Anyone who's been paying ATTENTION would know that for the last eight years, Congress has been HARD at work: OBSTRUCTING and trying to OBLITERATE just about anything and EVERYTHING that was of benefit to:

the working poor
the middle class
women
veterans
the unemployed
healthcare
LGBT rights
consumer protection
immigration reform
campaign finance reform
the environment
incentives for jobs at HOME
etc. etc. etc.

SOME in Congress may not LIKE Trump, but in regard to the above, they're on the SAME PAGE... but HEY, at least he won't start WWIII............

......they hope.
 

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Anyone who's been paying ATTENTION would know that for the last eight years, Congress has been HARD at work: OBSTRUCTING and trying to OBLITERATE just about anything and EVERYTHING that was of benefit to:

the working poor
the middle class
women
veterans
the unemployed
healthcare
LGBT rights
consumer protection
immigration reform
campaign finance reform
the environment
incentives for jobs at HOME
etc. etc. etc.

SOME in Congress may not LIKE Trump, but in regard to the above, they're on the SAME PAGE... but HEY, at least he won't start WWIII............

......they hope.

I share all of your concerns about Congress, and a whole separate list about Trump. My biggest problem is his lack of firm positions on anything, his bullying, and outrageous lies that never stick to him. There is much to be worried about with him. Compared to Trump Ronald Reagan was a guy covered in tar in a feather factory.
 

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I honestly think the real reason Trump is holding off on the taxes is that it will show he is not as wealthy as he has claimed and that he is probably a mediocre businessman - given the wealth he has to work with. His base would not care that he paid no taxes. The don't care he has goods made in China, and on and on and on. Trump's taxes will make him look bad and undermine is raison d'etre.
 

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I honestly think the real reason Trump is holding off on the taxes is that it will show he is not as wealthy as he has claimed and that he is probably a mediocre businessman - given the wealth he has to work with. His base would not care that he paid no taxes. The don't care he has goods made in China, and on and on and on. Trump's taxes will make him look bad and undermine is raison d'etre.

I agree. That Trump isn't nearly as successful as he's made himself out to be would be one of the only things that could turn off his supporters, and Trump knows it.

That means that Trump refusing to share his tax returns again and again will also not turn off his supporters. But eventually it will sink in with them why he is refusing. If Trump's opponents have any sense, they will keep hammering away on this issue. One way or another it will pay off in the end.
 

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So the big question is, can Trump win the general election? I'm not so quick to buy in to the accepted wisdom that he would get routed by Hillary. In fact, I don't like the odds of him losing it at all.

So far, in spite of his success in the primaries, Trump hasn't been popular among Republican voters. A lot of Republicans have positively hated him. But we know how partisanship works, especially in this day and age, and especially among Republican voters. When it comes down to it, roughly the same percentage of them will come out to vote, and to vote for the Republican candidate, as usually do. We're seeing Republicans come around to him already.

Democratic voters will of course not vote for him, but they will not vote for him to about the same degree that they usually don't vote for Republican candidates. Never mind that the attitude of a lot of Sanders voters, which Sanders himself does plenty to egg on, would keep a lot of them from supporting Clinton.

That leaves independent/"undecided" voters. That's a tough read, but I'm not encouraged by the fact that "undecided" tends to mean "politically ignorant". Any remotely informed undecided voter would know enough to understand that they couldn't possibly vote Trump. Alas, many of them might not even reach the level of being remotely informed.

But I'm most worried about the "X" factor of one or more national traumatic events. A downturn in the economy or a major terrorist attack (or any terrorist attack with American victims) are events that tend to turn us collectively stupid, and they would turn us collectively stupid in ways that would favor Trump.

So yeah. These are amusing but scary times.
 

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So the big question is, can Trump win the general election? I'm not so quick to buy in to the accepted wisdom that he would get routed by Hillary. In fact, I don't like the odds of him losing it at all.

So far, in spite of his success in the primaries, Trump hasn't been popular among Republican voters. A lot of Republicans have positively hated him. But we know how partisanship works, especially in this day and age, and especially among Republican voters. When it comes down to it, roughly the same percentage of them will come out to vote, and to vote for the Republican candidate, as usually do. We're seeing Republicans come around to him already.

Democratic voters will of course not vote for him, but they will not vote for him to about the same degree that they usually don't vote for Republican candidates. Never mind that the attitude of a lot of Sanders voters, which Sanders himself does plenty to egg on, would keep a lot of them from supporting Clinton.

That leaves independent/"undecided" voters. That's a tough read, but I'm not encouraged by the fact that "undecided" tends to mean "politically ignorant". Any remotely informed undecided voter would know enough to understand that they couldn't possibly vote Trump. Alas, many of them might not even reach the level of being remotely informed.

But I'm most worried about the "X" factor of one or more national traumatic events. A downturn in the economy or a major terrorist attack (or any terrorist attack with American victims) are events that tend to turn us collectively stupid, and they would turn us collectively stupid in ways that would favor Trump.

So yeah. These are amusing but scary times.

You make a lot of excellent points. The only one I'd dice a little is independent voters. I don't as a rule find them ignorant voters, many are really quite bright but don't feel ideologically driven to one party or the other. A classic instant would be conservative on fiscal issues, liberal on civil rights. I do think a few independents are naïve on some issues (Nader voters spring to mind) but I don't see them as a whole ignorant.

A greater fear is the voter who never voted before but is not motivated by Trump. That's the voter that will be the problem. Still, as you note a lot can happen.
 

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You make a lot of excellent points. The only one I'd dice a little is independent voters. I don't as a rule find them ignorant voters, many are really quite bright but don't feel ideologically driven to one party or the other. A classic instant would be conservative on fiscal issues, liberal on civil rights. I do think a few independents are naïve on some issues (Nader voters spring to mind) but I don't see them as a whole ignorant.

To be clear, I'm not saying that they are dumb, just that they aren't informed. And I don't necessarily hold even that against them, since we all have busy lives and I know it can be hard to keep up with politics.

And I may well be wrong about a lot of undecided voters being uninformed. I have no specific evidence to lead me to that opinion - it's more a general sense of things.

QUOTE="keenobserver, post: 5984390, member: 951032"]A greater fear is the voter who never voted before but is not motivated by Trump. That's the voter that will be the problem. Still, as you note a lot can happen.[/QUOTE]

Could you clarify what you mean by this? Do you mean a voter that opts not to vote this time around, or what?
 

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In my experience, there are far more "low information voters" among party loyalists than those who remain unaffiliated. That's one reason they are loyal to their party. They don't have to know what they are talking about, they can just tow the party line and sound semi-intelligent as long as they are not asked follow up questions.
 

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"Yellow Dog" democrats are voters who vote for Any candidate representing the Democratic Party.
The republican equivalent is called a "rabid dog" republican"

Now "Blue Dog" democrats are conservative voting democrats; the liberal republican equivalent us a RINO; republicans in name only

@category8 ; hmmm.."As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing." Karl Rove

Not all undecided voters are independent voters and visa-versa.
 

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QUOTE="keenobserver, post: 5984390, member: 951032"]A greater fear is the voter who never voted before but is not motivated by Trump. That's the voter that will be the problem. Still, as you note a lot can happen.

Could you clarify what you mean by this? Do you mean a voter that opts not to vote this time around, or what?[/QUOTE]
Yes. I'm talking about the guy who has until now never voted - the unhappy guy who has always chosen not to vote for either because he sees no difference between candidates or parties, but now feels moved to vote for Trump. These gus who have never been a factor before could make a big difference. For one thing they don't always show up in polls. It will be interesting to see what they will amount to, as a block of voters since it seems like they are leaning hard towards Trump.
 

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Inside the Democratic Plan to Turn Every Republican Candidate into Donald Trump

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