Donald trump leads a new republican presidential nationwide poll

[Chrysippus]

Thing is, the actual chance of dying from eating too many skittles is probably higher than the chance of being blown up in the US. Obesity kills. Similarly I imagine it is much more likely you will be killed or injured by police than by terrorists.

1.) Trump is no doubt popular because he speaks his mind. Even people who do not like what comes out probably respect that he says what he thinks. With the established politicians, what you are certain about is that they never say anthing they think would upset voters, however much they really think it. Every time he sounds off and says something wild, it is a reminder to voters that maybe this is what all the others really think too.

Exactly the same psychology applied in the Uk referendum debate. The Leave campaign was eternally spouting a false figure about how much money could be saved in membership fees. The fact the figure was grossly inflated did not at all detract form its effect in highlighting the debate. In fact, the more Remain people complained that the figure was totally wrong, the more publicity it gave to the general point being made. Just so with Trump. 2.) It doesnt matter he is over the top, the more his opponents point out he is over the top, the more they highlight there is a real issue behind it.

There is no solution to this for opponents to Trump, because 3.) there ARE real issues for which they themselves have no answers.

Re .1) above: Please watch the youtube video where he introduces Sarah Palin has a supporter. They are both hebephrenic. It was amazing to watch one speak right after the other. My question about your first comment that I bolded is 'what mind?' And if there is a discernable mind there, it is disordered.
Re 2.) above: It does matter that he's over the top--that's why he is unfit for office--maybe for business, but not for a job where he is responsible for millions of lives. And what in hell do you mean when you write 'there is a real issue behind it'?
Re 3.) above. Trump has no understanding or the abilities to address the 'real issues for which they themselves (his opponents political opponents) have now answers.

 

[chrisrobin]

Thing is, the actual chance of dying from eating too many skittles is probably higher than the chance of being blown up in the US. Obesity kills. Similarly I imagine it is much more likely you will be killed or injured by police than by terrorists.

Trump is no doubt popular because he speaks his mind. Even people who do not like what comes out probably respect that he says what he thinks. With the established politicians, what you are certain about is that they never say anthing they think would upset voters, however much they really think it. Every time he sounds off and says something wild, it is a reminder to voters that maybe this is what all the others really think too.

Exactly the same psychology applied in the Uk referendum debate. The Leave campaign was eternally spouting a false figure about how much money could be saved in membership fees. The fact the figure was grossly inflated did not at all detract form its effect in highlighting the debate. In fact, the more Remain people complained that the figure was totally wrong, the more publicity it gave to the general point being made. Just so with Trump. It doesnt matter he is over the top, the more his opponents point out he is over the top, the more they highlight there is a real issue behind it.

There is no solution to this for opponents to Trump, because there ARE real issues for which they themselves have no answers.

My sorrow is that its the American People who will have to cope with of choosing between a a hair brush over and a granny, neither have world respect let alone within their own country. One mocked R. Regan all those years ago yet he proved to be a "good guy", the current incumbent ham strung by the Senate, The "brush over" will be like a bull at a gate, talk first and hope to get out of it later while the tottering granny just be thinking of legacy and how much more dosh can be stashed away

 

[Chrysippus]

My sorrow is that its the American People who will have to cope with of choosing between a a hair brush over and a granny, neither have world respect let alone within their own country. One mocked R. Regan all those years ago yet he proved to be a "good guy", the current incumbent ham strung by the Senate, The "brush over" will be like a bull at a gate, talk first and hope to get out of it later while the tottering granny just be thinking of legacy and how much more dosh can be stashed away

I think your reduction of Trump to a hair brush over and Clinton to a tottering granny isn't helpful or germane. Trump is a xenophobic fascist, a crook, a liar, and a business fraud, and Clinton just lies.
Don't sell grannies short, though: remember Golda Meir?

 

[dandelion]

Re .1) above: Please watch the youtube video where he introduces Sarah Palin has a supporter. They are both hebephrenic. It was amazing to watch one speak right after the other. My question about your first comment that I bolded is 'what mind?' And if there is a discernable mind there, it is disordered.

It just doesnt matter. Thats the point. The so called sensible people have been running the show for a long time, and it is not working for many. People have had enough of sensible politicians who do not deliver.

Re 2.) above: It does matter that he's over the top--that's why he is unfit for office--maybe for business, but not for a job where he is responsible for millions of lives.

I am not an american so get news of US politics second hand. I have seen it reported that very many americans care hardly at all what the national government does, and feel dissociated from it. They have more loyalty to their state, or even county. The US is a big place. Maybe this is less true nowadays, but I see exactly the same thing in the UK. people do not fundamentally believe that it will make any real difference to them whoever wins. And I also believe that to a very large extent they are right. In the long term our leaders create changes in society, but for one term little changes. The two sides agree about more things than they disagree. Trump is an outsider and his first attraction is that he is not really from either political party. If he sounds confused over issues and answers differently when asked the same question twice, well so do ordinary people. People can empathise with this.

And what in hell do you mean when you write 'there is a real issue behind it'?

Duh. UK news today has a story about yet another shooting of a black guy by police. There was a documentary the other day which said on average 7 children are shot dead each day in the US. I reckon that means more children die by shooting in the US than the total of people killed by terrorists, yet there is a massive concern over potential terrorists. yes, that bomb was in the Uk news too. But yes, no one likes the idea of terorists turning up, and frankly the US has not come to terms with its own division between black and white, never mind with the question of multi ethnic immigrants. The US once welcomed immigrants because it was empty. Now it has a closed door mentality (although its still very empty compared to Europe). The US has massive problems of debt, both national and personal, despite masive wealth also. I am sure you know many more sepcific issues americans worry about. All Trump has to do is say there exist problems and he has a solution. Everyone believes there are problems, he does not have to convince them of that. All he needs is the benefit of the doubt that he is the guy. And its not as if americans have much choice. Out of 300,000,000 they are only allowed to choose from 2, and guaranteed neither of these would have been on their personal shortlist.

 

[b.c.]

Re .1) above: Please watch the youtube video where he introduces Sarah Palin has a supporter. They are both hebephrenic. It was amazing to watch one speak right after the other. My question about your first comment that I bolded is 'what mind?' And if there is a discernable mind there, it is disordered.
Re 2.) above: It does matter that he's over the top--that's why he is unfit for office--maybe for business, but not for a job where he is responsible for millions of lives. And what in hell do you mean when you write 'there is a real issue behind it'?
Re 3.) above. Trump has no understanding or the abilities to address the 'real issues for which they themselves (his opponents political opponents) have now answers.

The way I read it, his argument is that by telling people they're being LIED to, we're giving truth to the lie (I take it) or, at least, the "real" issue behind it, so why elect "sensible politicians who do not deliver" (I think his last bit was) when one can (presumably) elect a demagogue/bigot who says a lot of hateful s**** HIS constituency wants to hear, LIE or not, without having much of a plan, or even a CLUE for that matter?

No doubt, a kind of pseudo-rationale aka JUSTIFICATION offered up by the "leave" faction (or those of like mind) as to how the "stay" people pissed them off by telling them they were being conned, and therefore, so does/will Trump's constituency LIKEWISE object to being outed for having bought into the LIE.

Speaking of which, besides the reported 30% to 50% spike in HATE CRIMES since the referendum, how has that Brexit vote been working for 'em SO far? Brexit Britain: What has actually happened so far? - BBC News

 

[dandelion]

I think your reduction of Trump to a hair brush over and Clinton to a tottering granny isn't helpful or germane.

Trump is telling the electorate she is a totering granny, and she is trying to reduce him to a hairbrush. Politicians should not be surprised if this is precisely what the public thinks of them, because this is precisely how they parody each other. About the one thing the public does agree with politicians about, is how awful politicians really are.

 

[dandelion]

Speaking of which, besides the reported 30% to 50% spike in HATE CRIMES since the referendum, how has that Brexit vote been working for 'em SO far?

Nothing has happened (except the PM resigned), and nothing has been decided how to proceed. There has been no change.

The actual economic consequences of the Brexit vote will depend on the future relationship between the Eu and UK. The government might announce next spring what it plans to aim for, or it might not. If it does then there might be market reaction at that point if the future is clear. About the only announcement which could be clear would be an immediate 'hard brexit with no special trade deal with the EU. If the government seeks to fudge Brexit and effectively remain a member of the Eu by the back door, then there will continue at least another couple of years of negotiation before anything is settled about that. After some deal is finally put in place, if it is a significant change from now it will take years to fundamentally affect the Uk economy. If it means insignificant changes for industry, nothing much will happen.

My prediction is there will be no change in immigration levels to the Uk, because no politicians want this despite it being a major part of the Leave campaign. Uk policy is to let in as many workers as the economy demands, so numbers may fall if there is a recession. Uk law will remain little changed and will continue to comply as closely as possible with EU law so as to facilitate trade, whatever the formal deal. I do not believe it is possible for the Uk to walk away from the EU and so it will not, whatever name is put to the deal. The UK-EU relationship as now will be rebuilt one way or another.

if there is no deal to prevent it, Brexit may destroy the city of London as a financial centre. If it does the economy of London will collapse, and the impact would have a massive effect on the entire country. this might have a silver lining, because although property prices would collapse and there would be fortunes lost, eventually the property market may rebalance at an affordable level. Probably this would be a slow process taking decades, so it might be the economy would just settle gently to a lower GNP. We could all look forward to a less consumerist future.

 

[rbkwp]

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[ColoradoGuy]

For those of you overseas, the big news in the general election will come Monday night when the two candidates meet face-to-face in a televised debate moderated by Lester Holt, a national television news presenter. This will be the first face-to-face of three moderated debates.

From the Commission on Presidential Debates website:

First presidential debate (September 26, 2016, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY)

The debate will be divided into six time segments of approximately 15 minutes each on major topics to be selected by the moderator and announced at least one week before the debate.

The moderator will open each segment with a question, after which each candidate will have two minutes to respond. Candidates will then have an opportunity to respond to each other. The moderator will use the balance of the time in the segment for a deeper discussion of the topic.​

Lester Holt has announced three themes for the debate: “America’s Direction,” “Achieving Prosperity” and “Securing America", but didn't (obviously) release the questions to be asked. Already, Trump has accused Holt of being a Democrat and I guess Trump's thinking is that this assertion will preemptively disqualify any negative viewpoints that arise from Trump's answers to Holt's questions. You can read about that story here. The irony, of course, is that Lester Holt has been a registered Republican since 2003.

It will likely be too late for you to watch it live, but expect some lively commentary, recaps, and arguments over 'who wore it better' on Tuesday.

 

[185248]

He needs a Brazilian Wax to suit his tan.

 

[rbkwp]

getting to the stage where theyre all starting to grease a possible winner huh

imagine the points they will earn, the standing/money/salary, they will be placed in, if thats how it works there??

NYTimes.com »

BREAKING NEWS

Senator Ted Cruz, who declined to endorse Donald Trump at his party's convention, said today, “I will vote for the Republican nominee”

Friday, September 23, 2016 3:45 PM EDT
Senator Ted Cruz said on Friday that he would vote for Donald J. Trump for president, two months after Mr. Cruz pointedly declined to endorse his former rival in a speech at the Republican National Convention.
“After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump,” Mr. Cruz wrote in a statement posted on Facebook.
Read more »

 

[Klingsor]

BREAKING NEWS

Senator Ted Cruz, who declined to endorse Donald Trump at his party's convention, said today, “I will vote for the Republican nominee”

I think I can say, in full confidence that Senator Cruz has done everything he can to earn this response,

"Who cares?"

 

[b.c.]

getting to the stage where theyre all starting to grease a possible winner huh

imagine the points they will earn, the standing/money/salary, they will be placed in, if thats how it works there??

NYTimes.com »

BREAKING NEWS

Senator Ted Cruz, who declined to endorse Donald Trump at his party's convention, said today, “I will vote foo endorse Trump at the convention was based solely r the Republican nominee”

Friday, September 23, 2016 3:45 PM EDT
Senator Ted Cruz said on Friday that he would vote for Donald J. Trump for president, two months after Mr. Cruz pointedly declined to endorse his former rival in a speech at the Republican National Convention.
“After many months of careful consideration, of prayer and searching my own conscience, I have decided that on Election Day, I will vote for the Republican nominee, Donald Trump,” Mr. Cruz wrote in a statement posted on Facebook.
Read more »

Cruz's failure endorse Trump at the convention was due to personal animus between them. Let us not forget that Cruz's ideology is pretty much in lockstep with the WORST of what Trump has had to offer.

 

[rbkwp]

learning as we go
all of interest, or is it?

 

[Crimsonlurker]

I think I can say, in full confidence that Senator Cruz has done everything he can to earn this response,

"Who cares?"

I do. Just goes to show just how bad things both have been and will be in the future. I mean donald trump not only attacked his wife but his dad too. Him buckling like he has means a lot. Means a lot of republicans/conservatives have and will continue to bend over for trump all just to win. And considering what i'm about to post, that's bad not only for the election but politics in general. People will copy him. And i'm thinking as long as they look like him and are a part of the same political party....they'll get away with it just like he has.

Gennifer Flowers Says She Will Attend First Presidential Debate As Trump’s Guest

If dopey Mark Cuban of failed Benefactor fame wants to sit in the front row, perhaps I will put Gennifer Flowers right alongside of him! - Trump



This...is...amazing. I wonder what the "trump and clinton are the same" people think of this one. With a move like that i'm pretty certain his wife is getting some on the side. No one and i mean no one that petty and egotistical can be good in bed. I'm also wondering about all those people who thought leaving trolls to their own devices was a good idea. Seeing as how there's a chance america could be run by thee biggest troll to ever exist.

 

[b.c.]

I do. Just goes to show just how bad things both have been and will be in the future. I mean donald trump not only attacked his wife but his dad too. Him buckling like he has means a lot. Means a lot of republicans/conservatives have and will continue to bend over for trump all just to win. And considering what i'm about to post, that's bad not only for the election but politics in general. People will copy him. And i'm thinking as long as they look like him and are a part of the same political party....they'll get away with it just like he has.

Gennifer Flowers Says She Will Attend First Presidential Debate As Trump’s Guest

If dopey Mark Cuban of failed Benefactor fame wants to sit in the front row, perhaps I will put Gennifer Flowers right alongside of him! - Trump

This...is...amazing. I wonder what the "trump and clinton are the same" people think of this one. With a move like that i'm pretty certain his wife is getting some on the side. No one and i mean no one that petty and egotistical can be good in bed. I'm also wondering about all those people who thought leaving trolls to their own devices was a good idea. Seeing as how there's a chance america could be run by thee biggest troll to ever exist.

Trump's invite of Flowers is just yet another confirmation of what an absolute douchbag he really is. The guy has about as much integrity as an ASS pimple.

 

[Crimsonlurker]

Trump's invite of Flowers is just yet another confirmation of what an absolute douchbag he really is. The guy has about as much integrity as an ASS pimple.

Oh come on now. That's not fair at all. Ass pimples have way more integrity.

 

[Klingsor]

I do. Just goes to show just how bad things both have been and will be in the future. I mean donald trump not only attacked his wife but his dad too. Him buckling like he has means a lot. Means a lot of republicans/conservatives have and will continue to bend over for trump all just to win. And considering what i'm about to post, that's bad not only for the election but politics in general. People will copy him. And i'm thinking as long as they look like him and are a part of the same political party....they'll get away with it just like he has.

I'm not sure he's gotten away with it--I think people of very different political persuasions have come to agree that Cruz is a douche.

You're right, republican/conservatives biting the bullet to rally around Trump is cause for concern. But I doubt many of them will do so because they want to be like Ted Cruz.

 

[ozwestcoastboy]

 

[Crimsonlurker]

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He might as well had done that. The same thing pretty much happened. The only difference being that hillary played a rousing game of stop hitting yourself with his so called strategy before simply and rightly laughing at him.