Donald trump leads a new republican presidential nationwide poll

[keenobserver]

A good post, but I wonder about one detail.
Arkansas must have been on a bottom rung, but was it really the lowest performing state?

Well, according to GHWBush it was! Seriously, I don't have exact figures, but it was pretty bad - especially in comparison to Mass. - where Michael Dukakis came from.

 

[rbkwp]

heres your new leader folks, cute .. reality star extreme!
your all fired' the entire country ..
welcome to America, in this case ..
nothing new .. belows info

In case there had been any doubt, the past 72 hours have solidified that facts are not a priority in the current Republican presidential primary race. Despite making a stream of proven false statements in recent days, "outsider" candidates Donald Trump and Ben Carson are still at the front of the GOP pack — suggesting the candidates' disavowal of facts could actually be helping more than hurting them in this race.

POLITICS

It's Increasingly Clear Facts Don't Matter in the Republican Presidential Primary

 

[Klingsor]

See what's trumping now:

Donald Trump Calls for Barring Muslims From Entering U.S. (New York Times, 7 Dec. 2015)

So far, I've resisted suggestions that the entire Trump campaign is a false flag operation to ensure a Clinton win. But I have to admit, the things he's saying couldn't be more out there if he really were trying to throw the election.

 

[StormfrontFL]

So far, I've resisted suggestions that the entire Trump campaign is a false flag operation to ensure a Clinton win. But I have to admit, the things he's saying couldn't be more out there if he really were trying to throw the election.

If that was the idea someone should have clued in the GOP base. The more outlandish Trump gets the more he appeals to them.

 

[BIGBULL29]

If you think I can tolerate Cruz and Huckabee more than Trump, you're all wrong. LOL.

Cruz hates gays big time. Not sure Donald is on the same hatred level on that regard (not even close, really).

Cruz went to visit good ole' Kimmy Davis, a martyr of the faith.

I have a hunch the honourable Ms. Davis will go and feed the poor like Jesus after she loses a little weight.

^ Remember one thing: what she does is out of pure Christian love. She speaks from the heart, only wanting gays and lesbians to like dick and pussy as was intended by nature.

 

[keenobserver]

It is worth underlining, as has been pointed out here, the best of a bad lot is still bad. When the primary season started - the day after the last election 4 years back - I was hopeful that the GOP had learned something and would be more truly conservative and lest oppressive. That has not happened. I do not see any GOP candidate that I can support from this group, at al, under any circumstances.

Whatever bad things may be true about Hillary, she would be on Mount Rushmore compared to these clowns - especially, but not exclusively compared to Trump.

 

[deleted15807]

It is worth underlining, as has been pointed out here, the best of a bad lot is still bad. When the primary season started - the day after the last election 4 years back - I was hopeful that the GOP had learned something and would be more truly conservative and lest oppressive. That has not happened. I do not see any GOP candidate that I can support from this group, at al, under any circumstances.

Whatever bad things may be true about Hillary, she would be on Mount Rushmore compared to these clowns - especially, but not exclusively compared to Trump.

As I've said before if you spend say 15 minutes watching Fox or similar you would know how off the deep end they've been headed at warp speed. The party has adopted the Tea Party's slash and burn tactics and beliefs and they have no idea now how to come back to the solar system and then hopefully back to Earth.

 

[twoton]

I don't understand why the R candidates are expressing outrage over Trump's latest gems. So what if they're outraged? It's all as empty as "thoughts and prayers," after a shooting massacre.

IMO this is exactly the opportunity to separate from Trump and everyone else with a strong statement that ignores the "outrage!" and says to the media and public, "would all the adults in the room like to have a real conversation now, and leave Sideshow Don behind? Because every time you discuss him you trivialize everything." And. Leave. It. At. That.

 

[Bardox]

In regards to Trumps recent statement about banning all Muslims from entering the US, this is blatantly illegal and unconstitutional. You can't out right ban an entire religion. It violates multiple amendments and civil rights. This goes against everything the Republican platform is supposed to stand for and yet a not small number of GOP voters are agreeing with this. The party itself has come out in mass against this, but their constituents don't seem bothered by it and some even support it. I really don't understand how anyone claiming to be a republican (or an American in general) could support this idea. If there ever was something one could say to disqualify them from running for POTUS, it's this. But somehow I foresee his poll numbers going up for saying it. Disgusting!

 

[StormfrontFL]

I don't understand why the R candidates are expressing outrage over Trump's latest gems. So what if they're outraged? It's all as empty as "thoughts and prayers," after a shooting massacre.

IMO this is exactly the opportunity to separate from Trump and everyone else with a strong statement that ignores the "outrage!" and says to the media and public, "would all the adults in the room like to have a real conversation now, and leave Sideshow Don behind? Because every time you discuss him you trivialize everything." And. Leave. It. At. That.

They can't be too forceful because they are afraid of losing the base. One would think Trump would be dead politically after what he said but he seems as popular with his base as before.
Trump has pulled the cover of the true face of the GOP base so let's keep reminding the public every time they try to "change the subject" or go low key until they feel everyone has forgotten.

 

[b.c.]

So far, I've resisted suggestions that the entire Trump campaign is a false flag operation to ensure a Clinton win. But I have to admit, the things he's saying couldn't be more out there if he really were trying to throw the election.

If that was the idea someone should have clued in the GOP base. The more outlandish Trump gets the more he appeals to them.

NOT an entirely impossible scenario, where Trump enters the race just for the self satisfying spectacle of it, only to have it dawn upon him that he can actually WIN, solely on a platform of BATSHIT CRAZY.

I don't understand why the R candidates are expressing outrage over Trump's latest gems. So what if they're outraged? It's all as empty as "thoughts and prayers," after a shooting massacre.

IMO this is exactly the opportunity to separate from Trump and everyone else with a strong statement that ignores the "outrage!" and says to the media and public, "would all the adults in the room like to have a real conversation now, and leave Sideshow Don behind? Because every time you discuss him you trivialize everything." And. Leave. It. At. That.

They can't be too forceful because they are afraid of losing the base. One would think Trump would be dead politically after what he said but he seems as popular with his base as before.
Trump has pulled the cover of the true face of the GOP base so let's keep reminding the public every time they try to "change the subject" or go low key until they feel everyone has forgotten.

Exactly. Twoton's scenario is based upon the assumption that rational thinking "adults" who'd "like to have a real conversation now" are or EVER were the dominant force among the conservative constituency.

They are NOT... as evidenced by the kind of rhetoric coming from their candidates, the kind of dog whistle terminology and references in their campaign ads, and the kind of hate based mentality they CATER to.

This is INDEED the GOP... unmasked, unbridled, and unapologetic.

 

[Jjz1109]

Being Governor to me is mostly a bogus qualification. Some do well because they actually have little power - other run amuck when they do. Look at Louisiana and Kansas these days. Ted Cruz has done nothing as a Senator that advanced anyone's interest but his own. Obama's resume was also pretty thin. Given a choice between the two I would still pick Obama every time - because of vision. That's almost always the main qualification - vison - where does this president (or any president) want to move the country? Where does he / she see us going and how might we get there?

FDR ran the first time as a fairly conservative guy in terms of economic policy, events changed him. W. Bush was a small government conservative who hated nation building and bureaucracy. The times change the vision - for better ad worse.

Rubio as a senator barely shows up and has not seen any bill be sponsored become law. His closest success was immigration reform which he denounced himself. Yea, the Senate has been a great teacher for him.

In another post I said HRC is the best resume running - that is true, but GHWBush was probably the best qualified candidate running - either for election or re-election, yet after winning in Iraq and the economy improving he was turned out for the Governor of the lowest performing state in the country - Bill Clinton. The vision thing was the thing - not experience.

Serving as governor is a barometer of holding executive office. Perhaps a bogus qualification to you. But your point on Bill Clinton as governor is duly noted. Go figure. Maybe Christie does have a chance.

Having a vision. Cute. Takes a little more than that, like knowing how to work both sides of the aisle. Hasn't worked so well for obama.

 

[b.c.]

^ More bullshit. Obama doesn't know how to work both sides of the isle?

Then how, in spite of a conspiracy to obstruct his presidency, did he manage to reach compromise on 25% of the goals (promises) he'd initially made? And how is it that he's had to veto a bill ONLY twice (up until February of this year), or that none of his five total vetoes have been overturned, even with a GOP dominated Congress?

And why is it that House Speaker Boehner had to resign rather than face removal by far right GOP zealots, because he'd compromised with Obama one too many times for THEIR liking?

(and while we're at it, how many bills do you think Reagan, H.W. Bush, or even Clinton vetoed?)

 

[rbkwp]

keenobserver

cutye
yes and add reality ..
Americans will never bother accepting/grasping what we mean down here

with the very little that i follow re American politics, this post makes a lot of sense to me
know i ridicule the US politicians, but, so do many others it seems
he/they if they made it, will probably be an outright danger to the rest of the world as well
unfortunately

i laugh/smirk at the pickle the USA has managed effectively to get itself into
each and every politician aiming for your next presidency is a lieing F'wit, evedint by whats been placed on these threads
reps/dems alike, its a futile cause when you go to those
polls next year or whenever ..

 

[deleted15807]

^ More bullshit. Obama doesn't know how to work both sides of the isle?

LPSG's #1 Bullshitter like Fox deliberately omits key pieces of stories so as to fit the narrative that Obama and the BIG government he represents is incompetent and can't find their way out of a wet paper bag. And all the problems we face as a nation can squarely be laid at the feet of a big government democrat somewhere somehow. And it matters not how many logical fallacies you have to spin to make true your delusion.

 

[deleted15807]

‘I. Will. Never. Leave. This. Race.’

While the Washington Post Editorial Page calls for:

It’s time for Republicans to renounce Donald Trump’s candidacy

^ now that would be unprecedented and frankly impossible. Trump is them raw and unfiltered.

 

[twoton]

Now--this is sayin' somethin', when even Bibi rejects Mr. Trump's rhetoric.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a statement later saying he rejected the remarks but added that the visit, set two weeks ago, would go ahead as planned and did not indicate support for Trump.

"The prime minister rejects the recent comments by Donald Trump with regard to Muslims. Israel respects all religions and diligently guards the rights of all its citizens," a statement from Netanyahu's office said.

news.yahoo.com: Furore in Israel as Trump to be hosted by Netanyahu after remarks on Muslims

 

[798686]

Oh, Donald. lol. Plz disappear.

 

[StormfrontFL]

‘I. Will. Never. Leave. This. Race.’

While the Washington Post Editorial Page calls for:

It’s time for Republicans to renounce Donald Trump’s candidacy

^ now that would be unprecedented and frankly impossible. Trump is them raw and unfiltered.

I don't think Trump will quit. I believe he knows he will not get the GOP nomination and will run as an Independent. When he loses and also causes the GOP to lose he will say that it is the fault of the GOP because if they had stayed with him they would have won. By getting the GOP nomination and losing he will have less clout within the party.

 

[b.c.]

I don't think Trump will quit. I believe he knows he will not get the GOP nomination and will run as an Independent. When he loses and also causes the GOP to lose he will say that it is the fault of the GOP because if they had stayed with him they would have won. By getting the GOP nomination and losing he will have less clout within the party.

I, on the other hand, believe that Trump WILL get the GOP nomination.

The GOP will, in the end, once again cave to the more radical far right elements within the party because, for one, the fear alienating them; and they'll bargain that it's better to go into the election with someone who commands a sizable following among their constituency, HOWEVER reprehensible the candidate or the message, rather than have NO shot at winning.

And let's FACE it, Trump's message is not REALLY all that different from what they've always thought ANYWAY, but said only in cloaked terminology.

Carson's role (and brief popularity) was only to serve the purpose of putting a black face on their ideology. To lend it (in THEIR minds at least} more legitimacy. That and they like his quiet and reserved "aw-shucks" demeanor, qualities admired in a Ben Carson, but apparently NOT in a Jeb Bush, oddly enough. (ahem)

Look for Carson to CONTINUE to serve a flunky-like role as Trump's vice presidential PICK ( and remember I told you so).

Whether Trump can manage to defeat Hillary or Sanders is all dependent on what kind of events (national and international) take center stage between now and then, and whether such events continue to inspire the kind of demagoguery that motivates nut jobs like Robert Lewis Dear, and as illustrated in THIS news story that aired tonight:

Trump's Proposed Muslim Ban May Be Resonating With Republicans: Poll - NBC News

... besides...

'So what? They're Muslim.'