Donald trump leads a new republican presidential nationwide poll

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The thing is, and I am speaking as an outsider to the whole US race thing, issues are seldom really clear cut with one side being wholly justified and the other being wholly unjustified. The US, as an observer, tends to polarise issues, which makes reasonable resolution difficult.

The effect of this polarisation is that the debate is taken over by the extremes and genuine moderates get shouted down, often by both ends of the spectrum. NB the now infamous Wism, you're either with us or against us. Shouting down the moderates leaves the platform to the extremists.

Yes, this is where we are, and have been for quite a long time. The country has always dealt with divisive issues, over time with compromise. Set a course, identify what works, fix what doesn't. Over time (sometimes a long time) mistakes are repealed, new solutions arise. There have always been anti-immigrant waves - the Irish, the Chinese - who ever is showing up in noticeable numbers, but over time people blend in, the fabric is re-woven a bit and people move on. The Civil War was clearly a time when the ability to compromise died and the nation fractured. In some ways we are in a very rigid mindset, but I think we may be approaching a period when things could start to move forward again. Even when things appear similar, they are different so there is no clear guess on how things will resolve, but we will see.

It is not so much that the moderates are shouted down, as it is that nobody is looking beyond their staked out positions. All ideas that worked started out as extreme. Through debate and implementation they became workable policy.
 

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wouldent have a F'n clue WTF it means ..

but

may as well throw it into the Trump shithead thread
its bound to be a negative, his doing, referring to him ..ha ..
anything to stir the loins of big hands/little brain ...


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The Supreme Court issued a major ruling on who is counted in drawing election districts, rejecting a conservative challenge

butt
either way am sure big mouth will have something to mutter/fluster itself over this ha


As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats.

Until this decision, the court had never resolved whether voting districts should contain the same number of people, or the same number of eligible voters. Counting all people amplifies the voting power of places that have large numbers of residents who cannot vote legally — including immigrants who are here legally but are not citizens, illegal immigrants, children and prisoners. Those places tend to be urban and to vote Democratic.

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Supreme Court Rejects Challenge to ‘One Person One Vote’



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    • Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled that states may count all residents, whether or not they are eligible to vote, in drawing election districts. The decision was a major statement on the meaning of a fundamental principle of the American political system, that of “one person one vote.”

      As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats.

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The Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled that states may count all residents, whether or not they are eligible to vote, in drawing election districts. The decision was a major statement on the meaning of a fundamental principle of the American political system, that of “one person one vote.”
As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats.
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wouldent have a F'n clue WTF it means ..

but

may as well throw it into the Trump shithead thread
its bound to be a negative, his doing, referring to him ..ha ..
anything to stir the loins of big hands/little brain ...


BREAKING NEWS

The Supreme Court issued a major ruling on who is counted in drawing election districts, rejecting a conservative challenge

butt
either way am sure big mouth will have something to mutter/fluster itself over this ha


As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats.

Until this decision, the court had never resolved whether voting districts should contain the same number of people, or the same number of eligible voters. Counting all people amplifies the voting power of places that have large numbers of residents who cannot vote legally — including immigrants who are here legally but are not citizens, illegal immigrants, children and prisoners. Those places tend to be urban and to vote Democratic.

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Monday, April 4, 2016 11:20 AM EDT

Supreme Court Rejects Challenge to ‘One Person One Vote’



By ADAM LIPTAKAPRIL 4, 2016

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    • Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled that states may count all residents, whether or not they are eligible to vote, in drawing election districts. The decision was a major statement on the meaning of a fundamental principle of the American political system, that of “one person one vote.”

      As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats.

Red White & Blue Set
The Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled that states may count all residents, whether or not they are eligible to vote, in drawing election districts. The decision was a major statement on the meaning of a fundamental principle of the American political system, that of “one person one vote.”
As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats.
Read more »

Your links and comments about the counting bodies vs. counting voters is spot on My home area is a mostly rural area that has declining populations. New prisons - 4 of them have added thousands to the population. The politico bosses in the state capital fearing the diluting of their declining populations - because thousands of them are in our prisons cut the inmates out of the census for gerrymandering purposes and assigned them to their home cities - even though many of them will never set foot there for decades - if ever. It will be interesting to see how this impacts us with this decision.
 
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wouldent have a F'n clue WTF it means ..

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may as well throw it into the Trump shithead thread
its bound to be a negative, his doing, referring to him ..ha ..
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BREAKING NEWS

The Supreme Court issued a major ruling on who is counted in drawing election districts, rejecting a conservative challenge

butt
either way am sure big mouth will have something to mutter/fluster itself over this ha


As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats.

Until this decision, the court had never resolved whether voting districts should contain the same number of people, or the same number of eligible voters. Counting all people amplifies the voting power of places that have large numbers of residents who cannot vote legally — including immigrants who are here legally but are not citizens, illegal immigrants, children and prisoners. Those places tend to be urban and to vote Democratic.

Breaking News Alerts


Monday, April 4, 2016 11:20 AM EDT

Supreme Court Rejects Challenge to ‘One Person One Vote’



By ADAM LIPTAKAPRIL 4, 2016

Continue reading the main storyShare This Page



    • Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled that states may count all residents, whether or not they are eligible to vote, in drawing election districts. The decision was a major statement on the meaning of a fundamental principle of the American political system, that of “one person one vote.”

      As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats.

Red White & Blue Set
The Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled that states may count all residents, whether or not they are eligible to vote, in drawing election districts. The decision was a major statement on the meaning of a fundamental principle of the American political system, that of “one person one vote.”
As a practical matter, the ruling mostly helped Democrats.
Read more »

Since conservatives know they can't win by popular vote they've been trying every way possible to go suppress the democratic vote while sanctimoniously waving the flag and claiming "country first" when it really is "party first".
 

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Since conservatives know they can't win by popular vote they've been trying every way possible to go suppress the democratic vote while sanctimoniously waving the flag and claiming "country first" when it really is "party first".

I agree - although anymore is it "ME FIRST"
 
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- if ever. It will be interesting to see how this impacts us with this decision.

Since conservatives know they can't win by popular vote they've been trying every way possible to go suppress the democratic vote


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glad i got something fairly right for once ha
maybe the good nights sleep does help on occasion ha
 
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The thing is, and I am speaking as an outsider to the whole US race thing, issues are seldom really clear cut with one side being wholly justified and the other being wholly unjustified. The US, as an observer, tends to polarise issues, which makes reasonable resolution difficult.

The effect of this polarisation is that the debate is taken over by the extremes and genuine moderates get shouted down, often by both ends of the spectrum. NB the now infamous Wism, you're either with us or against us. Shouting down the moderates leaves the platform to the extremists.
Really? You think both sides are just as bad on the issue of race?
 

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- if ever. It will be interesting to see how this impacts us with this decision.

Since conservatives know they can't win by popular vote they've been trying every way possible to go suppress the democratic vote


thanks kbl/sargon
glad i got something fairly right for once ha
maybe the good nights sleep does help on occasion ha
This is not a new phenomenon at all. Historical data has shown that any time voter turnout is high, conservative candidates do poorly, while they do well when turnout is low. The Republican establishment has known this since at least the Reagan administration if not sooner.
 

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Yes, this is where we are, and have been for quite a long time. The country has always dealt with divisive issues, over time with compromise. Set a course, identify what works, fix what doesn't. Over time (sometimes a long time) mistakes are repealed, new solutions arise. There have always been anti-immigrant waves - the Irish, the Chinese - who ever is showing up in noticeable numbers, but over time people blend in, the fabric is re-woven a bit and people move on. The Civil War was clearly a time when the ability to compromise died and the nation fractured. In some ways we are in a very rigid mindset, but I think we may be approaching a period when things could start to move forward again. Even when things appear similar, they are different so there is no clear guess on how things will resolve, but we will see.

It is not so much that the moderates are shouted down, as it is that nobody is looking beyond their staked out positions. All ideas that worked started out as extreme. Through debate and implementation they became workable policy.
Pfffft, the anti-immigrant sentiments started during the time of the founding fathers when lots of German immigrants started coming over. Some people can't let go of the Eastern hemisphere notion that identity comes from bloodlines instead of ideas. It's an inherently un-American way of thinking about national identity.
 
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And what's particularly sad is the Speaker of The House is in love with sociopath Ayn Rand. She is his hero.

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And yet none of those Republicans seen to grasp the point that their hero Ayn Rand considered Reagan to be more of a statist than Carter, and even encouraged her followers to vote for Carter because of it.
 
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uh oh ..
if its near to a truth
no matter, if he makes president he will backflip,change his mind, rubbish them to blazes,nuke them,any of those options,come mid 2017 .


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Republican US presidential candidate Donald Trump delivers a speech at a campaign town hall event in Wausau, Wisconsin, April 2, 2016. (photo by REUTERS/Ben Brewer)

Are Iranian hard-liners backing Trump?

Iranian newspapers have come back from a two-week Nowruz vacation ready to renew old partisan fights with new talking points. While websites and news agencies continued to cover the significant stories of the country, it is the print media where the partisan divide is the most obvious. This year it seems that the US presidential elections have sparked an early row.

Read more: Are Iranian hard-liners backing Trump? - Al-Monitor: the Pulse of the Middle East

This is not a new phenomenon at all. Historical data has shown that any time voter turnout is high,

maybe the good nights sleep does help on occasion ha

oh
so your suggesting im not entitled to a good nights sleep and thenn attack Trump with renewed vigour in the am huh, shame on you oxnard,haha

phenomenon indeed ..

pseudo confidence brings out the conservatisim in all,eventually ha
 
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ah well
he can ever boast about negaitive ads against him and come out on top
lets see how this one goes ha, ;perhaps noty as good i am figuring ..
smile, the beauty of it all is the US elections and particularly Trumps foolish antics arew keepoing me amused occupied and cracking up haha


John Oliver Slams Donald Trump for Unfathomable Comments on Nuclear Weapons
Stefanie Spear | April 4, 2016 9:02 am | Commen

Just two days before the Nuclear Security Summit in Washington, DC, where world leaders gather to reinforce a commitment to secure nuclear materials, “America’s potential next president mentions that he’d be perfectly comfortable with other countries becoming nuclear powers, including Japan and South Korea,” John Oliver said in his quick recap of the week on Last Week Tonight.

Oliver played a clip from CNN’s town hall with Anderson Cooper where Donald Trump said, “We’re better off if Japan protects itself against this maniac in North Korea. We’re better of frankly if South Korea is going to start protecting it self.”

ecowatch.com: John Oliver Slams Donald Trump for Unfathomable Comments on Nuclear Weapons

Anti-Trump ads blanket Wisconsin ahead of primaries

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The battle to block Donald Trump's path to the Republican Party Presidential nomination has moved to Wisconsin.

The front-runner is behind in the polls - and the state is being blanketed by negative Trump ads.

 

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Moving along - Trump outlined today how he will force Mexico to pay for the wall - his plan is to use his executive authority to cancel cash remittances that people in this country send to their families that are in Mexico. This is about 25 billion a year to the Mexican economy. Of course this will take government intrusion into financial transactions to a new level, but he surely can be trusted.
 

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many reports his support is waning for the all important Wisconsin
many seeing the blustering loudmouth maybe,like lol who dissapeared,
have to be a loyal diehard to continually follow an idiot for more than a short period

- his plan is to use his executive authority to cancel cash remittances that people in this country send to their families that are in Mexico.


wow,thanks for that ko
never heard that gem, what an insensitive orhery cuss huh yet again
really shows his true intentions and what an insensitive person it can/will betworse with that power belt around its waist

bet his loving supporters would be thinking,
'gee what a great president he would make'

i enjoy hearing of/very seldom watch the idiot make more of a fool of itself with each utterance/revelation ..