Donald trump leads a new republican presidential nationwide poll

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All Trump will succeed in doing is cause confusion in the GOP ranks. Other candidates will be afraid to refute him out of fear that they will look "soft" to their base and will make the GOP viewpoint unacceptable by the Independents.
I don't think it's so much that they're afraid as it is they don't/won't have the opportunity. With an agenda driven media influencing, rather than reporting, most probably only think they have a choice between Trump or Bush. Any airtime other candidates get will probably be spent trying to get their own message out, rather than give him even more attention that they won't get.

He's not a serious candidate, though he's being played up as one.
 
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Trump has done something almost unheard of in politics. He has totally flipped his favorability ratings in just two months.

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I don't think it's so much that they're afraid as it is they don't/won't have the opportunity. With an agenda driven media influencing, rather than reporting, most probably only think they have a choice between Trump or Bush. Any airtime other candidates get will probably be spent trying to get their own message out, rather than give him even more attention that they won't get.

He's not a serious candidate, though he's being played up as one.
Well the candidates will only have about 11 minutes per person during the debate so I hardly think they will counter him there but haven't they had ample opportunity to speak out before? I recall silence coming from them except for when he attacked John McCain.
 

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re Trumps early popularity

does not auger well when a thought is that Wealth is a possible destructive force for humankind

~ thats my own thoughts btw ha'
wealth excessive ruination of mankind/Countys
 

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Well the candidates will only have about 11 minutes per person during the debate so I hardly think they will counter him there but haven't they had ample opportunity to speak out before? I recall silence coming from them except for when he attacked John McCain.
Bush 3.0 and Perry both had comments about his illegal immigration rant. But even with that and McCain, the story remained largely about Trump.
 

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Gravitas? Who needs stinking gravitas. About now the ghosts of John F. Kennedy, Richard Nixon and ABC moderator Howard K. Smith of the 1960 televised debates that ushered in the modern era of politics must be rolling in their graves after last nights admittedly entertaining spectacle in Cleveland. Our nation has finally and unalterably descended into the mash pit of presidential nomination via reality TV. And the invisible all-powerful illuminati must be laughing their asses off.

Fox News did their best to cut-off Donald Trump's credibility at the start by ambushing him with a nuclear-charged question about nasty sexist behavior. Trump, who graduated from the Wharton School of Business in 1968 but still comes off like a blue collar Joe Palooka while speaking, returned Megyn Kelly's acidic question by invoking the name of Rosie O'Donnell, someone rarely mentioned in the executive, legislative or judicial halls of U.S. government or in any talking points put out by the RNC. That's right Megyn, you better talk nice to The Donald. At that moment the Fox News people back in the control room no-doubt tensed-up at the prospect that this unrepentant reality show huckster would spin the entire debate out-of-control. Trump, listed as 6' 3" but looking much shorter and stouter than his debate counterpart Jeb Bush immediately to his left- also listed as 6' 3"- stood his ground defiantly, looking somewhat satisfied with a smirk on his face. They wisely deferred to other candidates on stage more predictable and less volatile.

Hilariously, one can probably summarize much of what Donald Trump envisions as the role of a U.S. President on his somewhat simplistic entrepreneurial view of the world. ISIS? We tell 'em "you cross that boarder and we'll bust all your heads." Immigration? If Raul has a degree in physics and chemical engineering there's a big welcome mat at the border but if the sum total of his job skills are picking strawberries we'll kick his butt back to Tijuana.

How difficult can this President gig be? :rolleyes:
 

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Trump - who promises to be the greatest jobs president ever - imports MEXICANS through a federal program to work at his golf courses and resorts according to the Washington Post this week. Also, his clothing line which until recently was sold at Macy's and other high end retailers was made in China.

On the Clown show from last night, Kasich and Rubio looked to me as the most formidable, electable candidates on the stage. I think Hillary would have a massive fight on her hands with those two separately or as a ticket.
 
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Interesting his latest contretemps over his Megyn Kelly comments that has gotten him disinvited from a prominent conservative gathering:

So thats the line in the sand for Conservatives. Dont insult a blond blue-eyed white woman ! You can hate on mexicans, immigrants, minority women, gays, lesbians, blacks, 'others' but hey --- you poke one of ours and the wrath of Zeus will descend !!
 
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We all know Trump is not a politician, but what the Republicans are seeing is a new breed on the GOPt ticket that can't be trained to walk like a duck, march lockstep to the beat of the normal GOP beat or be the chicken hawk we know that draws red meat to the base!

I'm enjoying this not because I'm a Democrat, but looking at the big picture that the media is getting wrong is that Trump is standing his grounds and the media going bonkers trying to shut him down for party sakes! It's not working folk!!!!

Fox News just added more fuel to the burning bush and Hillary hair is on fire leaving us with two men standing!
Not naming the two, but from the sideline we know who they are.....
 
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Interesting his latest contretemps over his Megyn Kelly comments that has gotten him disinvited from a prominent conservative gathering:

So thats the line in the sand for Conservatives. Dont insult a blond blue-eyed white woman ! You can hate on mexicans, immigrants, minority women, gays, lesbians, blacks, 'others' but hey --- you poke one of ours and the wrath of Zeus will descend !!

Oh geez, really? Is this how you truly see it, or just can't pass up opportunity to incite? Will leave that up to others here. I know the answer.
 

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Oh geez, really? Is this how you truly see it, or just can't pass up opportunity to incite? Will leave that up to others here. I know the answer.

Opportunity to incite? So this whole entire time you waiting through speech after speech of donald trump only to come here and play the incite card again? News flash it's donald trump. You can't play the incite card when talking about him. Thats quite literally trumps middle name.

He disrespected the only black man running and...no one even noticed. In his rush to abuse obama and let his ideology slip he threw ben carson under a bus then peed on him with a comment that was based entirely in race baiting.

You backed the wrong horse jjz1109, again.
 
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Oh geez, really? Is this how you truly see it, or just can't pass up opportunity to incite? Will leave that up to others here. I know the answer.

Well look what the cat dragged in. This is what conservatives and their even crazier brethren libertarians consistently fail on. You seem to think no one else can connect-the-dots or hear the dog whistle racism inherent in every wiff. The underlying belief that those that are not a.) male b.) white c.) christian d.) rich and e.) straight can't feel the palpable contempt for them. Never bother right to figure out why Republicans can't count on a single block outside of the previously mentioned:


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Now please explain the huge gaps.

Opportunity to incite? So this whole entire time you waiting through speech after speech of donald trump only to come here and play the incite card again? News flash it's donald trump. You can't play the incite card when talking about him. Thats quite literally trumps middle name.

He disrespected the only black man running and...no one even noticed. In his rush to abuse obama and let his ideology slip he threw ben carson under a bus then peed on him with a comment that was based entirely in race baiting.

You backed the wrong horse jjz1109, again.

Wrong horse indeed.
 
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Interesting his latest contretemps over his Megyn Kelly comments that has gotten him disinvited from a prominent conservative gathering:

So thats the line in the sand for Conservatives. Dont insult a blond blue-eyed white woman ! You can hate on mexicans, immigrants, minority women, gays, lesbians, blacks, 'others' but hey --- you poke one of ours and the wrath of Zeus will descend !!

I happen to think it's all a lot of b.s. posturing on the part of the GOP. It's just for show, folks.

Let's face it, Trump enjoys what no other candidate does, money and celebrity status. Which gives him that added ability to say whatever the f***** flies from his mouth no matter how obnoxious.

Truth is, he's more successfully recognized and tapped into the TRUE MENTALITY of THEIR constituency, which is why they EAT IT UP and ask for MORE. And why idiots who think a guy who has his own private jets is "one of them".


Want a good indication of the GOP mindset regarding women and issues concerning women? Just look around in THIS forum at how his supporters (including a certain one here who's quick to toss around the word "whore") respond to such issues.

Better still, take a look at the GOP opposition to equal pay for women initiatives, their obstruction of the Anti Rape Amendment, as well as their votes on NUMEROUS policies negatively impacting women:

http://vtdigger.org/2015/08/04/sanders-denounces-republican-attack-on-women/

http://pol.moveon.org/waronwomen/


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/gop-war-on-women/

http://www.freewoodpost.com/2012/02/29/newest-gop-attack-on-women-just-say-no-to-tampons/


http://democrats.energycommerce.hou...files/documents/Anti-Women-Votes-2012-9-5.pdf
 
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Opportunity to incite? So this whole entire time you waiting through speech after speech of donald trump only to come here and play the incite card again? News flash it's donald trump. You can't play the incite card when talking about him. Thats quite literally trumps middle name.

He disrespected the only black man running and...no one even noticed. In his rush to abuse obama and let his ideology slip he threw ben carson under a bus then peed on him with a comment that was based entirely in race baiting.

You backed the wrong horse jjz1109, again.
Your ignorance knows no limits. When did I ever say I am backing trump? He's a fool.
Opportunity to incite? So this whole entire time you waiting through speech after speech of donald trump only to come here and play the incite card again? News flash it's donald trump. You can't play the incite card when talking about him. Thats quite literally trumps middle name.

He disrespected the only black man running and...no one even noticed. In his rush to abuse obama and let his ideology slip he threw ben carson under a bus then peed on him with a comment that was based entirely in race baiting.

You backed the wrong horse jjz1109, again.

Your ignorance knows no limits. Where and when did I ever say I was backing trump as a candidate? He's a fool. My post was in response to the suggestion by your comrade that the only reason for the (latest) backlash against him was because it was directed at a blue eyed blonde. Learn to read.
 

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Well look what the cat dragged in. This is what conservatives and their even crazier brethren libertarians consistently fail on. You seem to think no one else can connect-the-dots or hear the dog whistle racism inherent in every wiff. The underlying belief that those that are not a.) male b.) white c.) christian d.) rich and e.) straight can't feel the palpable contempt for them. Never bother right to figure out why Republicans can't count on a single block outside of the previously mentioned:


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Wrong horse indeed.
Your "connecting the dots" is akin to 1 + 1 = 3 so you can insert your agenda and spin. Nothing new. Don't know what the stats have to do with your suggestion about the backlash, other than an opportunity to inject the polls.
 

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BC would you stop with the "war on women" it's a media and political made up story that has never ever been proven to be accurate.

As for Trump, his appeal has to do with for years and years politicians have sounded like robots. Never really taking a stance on anything because they are afraid to disrupt their stream of cash from lobby groups or big corporations. Politicians rarely show any true emotion or real common understanding of anything. Along comes Trump who tells it like it is. We do have a bunch of really stupid people in government (dems and republicans), we are in debt up to our eyeballs, there is a problem with immigration, we are losing to China, Mexico, Japan and other larger countries. So much of what Trump is saying is true, what people like is his delivery. No holds bared direct and aggressive.

As for his wealth he has managed to flip that as well. People perceive him as a guy with means that will not bow down to lobby groups, or big corporate money. The perception is he is not a typical politician that will need his hands greased to get something passed. People feel like the entire political system is corrupt (which is it) and they want a true outsider. When asked about why Trump donates to various politicians his response was classic, I donate to all so they do things for me and that is whats wrong with politics in a soundbite.

Will Trump really win the nomination no but he has disrupted the very foundation of politics for the better.
 
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Your "connecting the dots" is akin to 1 + 1 = 3 so you can insert your agenda and spin. Nothing new. Don't know what the stats have to do with your suggestion about the backlash, other than an opportunity to inject the polls.

Please your history here proves that basic arithmetic alludes you and your ability to follow an argument seriously deficient. Of course its all intentional duplicitous horseshit as Palin called Obama 'shuckin and jivin' is your forte.