"Don't tase me, bro"

[RamIt]

And that was his point,to get noticed and get fame, end of story. End of thread hopefully. I hate tasers, to crude and cruel.

Whats with the "chair" ramIt, was he gonna get the chair as opposed to the taser???

The chair is slang for tasing, meaning electrocuted.

 

[lucky8]

youtube it. its bullshit. fuck tha police. for christ's sake, the kid asked a legitamate question. wouldnt you want to know if a presidential candidate was in the same secret society as over 1/2 of the past presidents? if that would have happend in front of me, at my university, i would have acted...i cant believe how big of pussies all of the students watching their fellow student get tazered for no reason were...cops have waaay to much power in america. my friend just got tazered by a rookie cop because he raised his voice. mind you, he, nor myself, are the type of people to get in trouble with the law. the bitch said she "felt threatened for her life". i was with him when this happend, it was crazy. she pulled him over right in front of his house, for no reason, and when my friend raised his voice because she wouldnt tell him why she pulled him over she fuckin tazered him right through the window. she didnt even know how to classify my friend's offense. all she could say was that she felt threatened for her life...but my question is was force necessary? and if so, for what? he was literally buckled up, sitting in the drivers seat, started raising his voice and questioning her and got tazered and charge with assault on an officer. i hate cops...all cops. sometimes i feel like i should start carrying around a tazer and mase to protect myself from them


o and the guy on youtube wasnt violent whatsoever...it was supposed to be an open question forum, no one said that topic could not be discussed before hand.

 

[Principessa]

I think I'm coming to this really, really late....

Anyway, I'm gonna have trouble explaining how I feel about this. It's so odd to say, but it's just the most adorable, cutest statement I've heard in a long time. :biggrin1: I think the innocence of the statement is what is so adorable. Calling a cop "bro."

Okay, that aside, the cops are bastards. Flame me on that one. Tell me how your uncle, brother, father, son, is a cop and serves this country, does his honor, blah, blah, blah, ... doesn't change the fact that some cops are brutal and barbaric and scary, and they shouldn't have tased that boy.

I remember when this happend. It was all over the network news, even FOX and CNN showed it numerous times.

I have somewhat mixed feelings. My initial response was that the cops were wrong and overreacted. However upon digging further and learning that this particular student had a history of creating disturbances on campus for the sole purpose of videotaping them and having them seen by millions. I lost what little sympathy I had for him.

He knew the rules and was given a chance to speak. However, he decided this would be his chance to filibuster on tv. It's a shame he was so selfish and stupid because anything of value and merit he may have shared is lost forever. IMO, he is just another spoiled rich kid with a misguided sense of entitlement and no clue as to how to behave properly in public. I have no sympathy for him.

 

[RamIt]

I remember when this happend. It was all over the network news, even FOX and CNN showed it numerous times.

I have somewhat mixed feelings. My initial response was that the cops were wrong and overreacted. However upon digging further and learning that this particular student had a history of creating disturbances on campus for the sole purpose of videotaping them and having them seen by millions. I lost what little sympathy I had for him.

He knew the rules and was given a chance to speak. However, he decided this would be his chance to filibuster on tv. It's a shame he was so selfish and stupid because anything of value and merit he may have shared is lost forever. IMO, he is just another spoiled rich kid with a misguided sense of entitlement and no clue as to how to behave properly in public. I have no sympathy for him.

Thats a really great point. This kid took what was an opportunity to celebrate his freedom of speech, and he used it to make a disruption to everyone else's and made a mockery of the whole thing. He did more to undermine his rights than he made good use of them.

 

[invisibleman]

Okay, this thread is going to spiral out of control, apparently. It's really frightening and discusting that some assholes on this thread support the torture of a young man who has the audacity to do what we are supposed to do in a democracy: get involved. Further, he was putting questions to a man who, if he had been elected, may have been able to prevent the deaths of thousands.

The only real transgression was questioning authority and perhaps being a bit annoying, WHICH IS WHAT YOUNG PEOPLE AT UNIVERSITIES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO. I suppose he's just lucky he didn't get shot, like the boy in that famous picture from the 1960s.

Anyone who thinks this boy deserved to be tasered is a total asshole. Fuck you!

This thread made me realize that the reason the statement "Don't tase me bro" is so god-damned adorable is because the statement itself contains no malice, but rather a type of brotherly cameraderie -- which is the last thing most of you motherfuckers who say he deserved it would have expressed if you were being held in place by five bigs! Most people being held in place like that and who thought they were about to be tasered would be cursing the police, not calling them "bro."

And some of you wonder why this country has a bad reputation internationally. It's because images like this get out there. This is supposed to be the world's greatest democracy, and the reward for practicing democracy sometimes is that scrawny college boys get tackled to the ground and tortured. Meanwhile, the government system the boy was questioning is responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands in Iraq, a war that shouldn't have happened and is terrorism anyway.

I think that six security officers with tasers on one empassioned student armed with questions and a book...that says alot. And the student gets charged with "inciting a riot".

There were people leaving while the student was asking his questions to John Kerry. There were no other students there with Molotov cocktails...or EVEN rocks. How was asking questions being riot incendiary?

 

[invisibleman]

I have somewhat mixed feelings. My initial response was that the cops were wrong and overreacted. However upon digging further and learning that this particular student had a history of creating disturbances on campus for the sole purpose of videotaping them and having them seen by millions. I lost what little sympathy I had for him.

He knew the rules and was given a chance to speak. However, he decided this would be his chance to filibuster on tv. It's a shame he was so selfish and stupid because anything of value and merit he may have shared is lost forever. IMO, he is just another spoiled rich kid with a misguided sense of entitlement and no clue as to how to behave properly in public. I have no sympathy for him.

How was this student filibustering? I don't feel that he was selfish or stupid. This kid could be you or any one of us. The guy didn't have a gun. All he had were questions...and a paperback book. And the guy gets Tasered. Back in the day, blacks were pressure washed with fire hoses.

The security team was armed with tasers and billy clubs. And they cornered him. Tasered him. The student wasn't armed with knifes. He didn't have any grenades. HE didn't EVEN have a posse holding up the joint. Threat to who? What riots?

What are the implications on this? Is this teaching college students that they don't have a right to their concerns and issues? We should be good docile nonreactive citizens? Not to shake the trees? Not to ruffle the bushes?

 

[Principessa]

How was this student filibustering? I don't feel that he was selfish or stupid. This kid could be you or any one of us. The guy didn't have a gun. All he had were questions...and a paperback book. And the guy gets Tasered. Back in the day, blacks were pressure washed with fire hoses.

The security team was armed with tasers and billy clubs. And they cornered him. Tasered him. The student wasn't armed with knifes. He didn't have any grenades. HE didn't EVEN have a posse holding up the joint. Threat to who? What riots?

What are the implications on this? Is this teaching college students that they don't have a right to their concerns and issues? We should be good docile nonreactive citizens? Not to shake the trees? Not to ruffle the bushes?

This is different and you know it! He had already used his 3 minutes allotted per person to speak. There were other people waiting in line behind him at the microphone to speak. This would never have happend to me as I would have followed the rules.

I didn't say anything about riots. As for the charge against him I guess it was the closest thing on the books to describe his actions.

 

[galaxus]

first all he was resisting an officer, or like 5 officers. he was being an ass about. it wasn't an outside venue, so though i think they had the right to escort him the building, but he keep struggling.

i don't fell sorry for him a at all.

 

[invisibleman]

This is different and you know it! He had already used his 3 minutes allotted per person to speak. There were other people waiting in line behind him at the microphone to speak. This would never have happend to me as I would have followed the rules.

I didn't say anything about riots. As for the charge against him I guess it was the closest thing on the books to describe his actions.

I wasn't saying that you said he was inciting riots. The student did get arrested for "inciting a riot". "Where was the riot?" It was documented in another film clip on YouTube.

I didn't see anyone behind that student but security guards. This was beyond following Toastmaster's protocol and speech limits. Getting Tasered for going over three minutes is drastic, don't you think?
I have to ask: Is anyone going to Taser Ann Coulter? :smile:

 

[JustAsking]

I would like to be on record that my comments about the freedom of speech issue is not related to my opinion on the use of the taser by the security guards. Even though I believe the guy was being a complete asshole, had every intention of causing a scene for benefit of the greater YouTube audience, had a history of disrupting events on campus, resisted restraint, etc., I still can't quite get myself to the point where tasing while he was subdued on the ground was required.

I do believe that freedom of speech holds regardless of how much assholia is exhibited by the speaker. On the other hand, freedom of speech rights apply to public forums and the restriction is on the government's ability to suppress it. In other words, someone standing up in a bar and annoying guests with a political speech harangue can be ejected immediately from the premises as a disruptive asshole by a bouncer. Whereas, the same guy doing his harangue in a public square on a soapbox should enjoy every protection of the Constitution against government suppression of his political expression.

...Just out of curiosity:

It was a political candidate for national office, it was a question and answer session with citizens in the audience, on the grounds of a State chartered institution; But it raises this question: Does the fact that it might be held on private property circumscribe free speech rights (other than the decorum issue)?

These are all good points, Nick. A state chartered institution holding an event for a polictical candidate certainly muddies my argument, doesn't it? Also, given that an event such as this is usually accompanied by the media, I think I have to agree that this might be classified as a public event and the things being discussed here would be classified as political expression. Ok, now I am not so certain about my position.

As far as the security guards (the article describes them as police) , they were acting, as is said in legalese, under color of law. But, are you saying that would change the issue, if they were security guards, not police?

No, I think there is a clear distinction under the law. The security guards were either government employees or they were not government employees. It makes all the difference when it comes to their ability to suppress speech. If they are not government employees, they are no different than the bouncer at your local tavern when it comes to being Constitutionally prohibited from suppressing speech.

The question is, does a private citizen have the right to suppress the free speech of another in a public venue? Suppose I was holding a public rally in the town square and the sound system was mine. Then suppose someone got up to speak and I didn't like his politics. Does the Constitution forbid me from turning off the sound system? I don't think so. Does the constitution forbid the government from turning off the sound system? Yes it does.

Again, just curious about your reasoning.

...Anyone who thinks this boy deserved to be tasered is a total asshole. Fuck you! ....

I think I am with you on that one and the rest of the stuff you said.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

I don't see why four security guards couldn't each grab and arm or leg and deposit him outside the door - like you know before tasers. Putting weapons in people's hands encourages their use, no?

Our freedoms are eroding faster than the proliferation of tasers on the belts of rent a cops and seasonal rangers.

 

[B_henry miller]

Okay. Get me a taser and I electroshock you because you're a god-damned pain in my ass.

No, a woman does not deserve to be raped under any circumstances. He was a disruptive pain in the ass and deserved what he got. He will probably become very wealthy.

 

[RamIt]

I don't see why four security guards couldn't each grab and arm or leg and deposit him outside the door - like you know before tasers. Putting weapons in people's hands encourages their use, no?

Our freedoms are eroding faster than the proliferation of tasers on the belts of rent a cops and seasonal rangers.

Tasing is really not that big of a deal, I dont understand why so many make it out to be "torture." Its basically a better way of using pain as a compliance technique. Just like pressure point menipulation and joint menipulation, it uses a controlled amount of pain to get compliance. No long term damage, no serious harm. Just a more effective method, based on the same principle as arm bars and wrist locks.

Had they tried to carry him out and dropped him or hurt him, they wouldnt have been protected by protocals, and would have been liable for a lawsuit.

The taser is not a weapon, it is a tool.

Id rather be tasered twice than pepper sprayed once.

 

[findfirefox]

Tasing is really not that big of a deal, I dont understand why so many make it out to be "torture." Its basically a better way of using pain as a compliance technique. Just like pressure point menipulation and joint menipulation, it uses a controlled amount of pain to get compliance. No long term damage, no serious harm. Just a more effective method, based on the same principle as arm bars and wrist locks.

Had they tried to carry him out and dropped him or hurt him, they wouldnt have been protected by protocals, and would have been liable for a lawsuit.

The taser is not a weapon, it is a tool.

Id rather be tasered twice than pepper sprayed once.

Unless you die.

 

[RamIt]

People die from pepper spray too.

 

[invisibleman]

The taser is not a weapon, it is a tool.

:smile:

All I know is this. I live for the day I get Tased by six security officers for some bullshit. I want them to carry me off to jail. When I get out. I am going to wait. I will have my list of officers. I will find everyone of those fuggin' guys or women. I will wait for the prime moment to strike and I will Taser the fuck out of everyone of those bastards.

One could be at their daughter's wedding. Taser.
Another could be taking a dump in the restroom. Taser.
At a church in the middle of prayer. Taser.
Changing their tampons in the loo. Taser.
Getting a pap smear. Taser.
Getting a colonoscopy. Taser.

If they REALLY piss me off. Each one of them will get a Mace cloud in their face as a proverbial cherry on that "V for Vendetta" sundae. Hehehe.

 

[B_Monster]

People die from pepper spray too.

Are you a police officer?

 

[AlteredEgo]

I dont think anyone here is claiming that he deserved to be tased for asking questions.

He actively resisted and fought restraint, thats why he got tased. He could have very easily made his point while being escorted out the door, but he chose violence. They even warned him before tasing, and he continued to fight. Many other people would have come out of that situation without being tased, he made that choice.

He was a dummy, and stupid hurts.

Are you watching the same footage? His herky movements are evasive, not aggressive. If he wanted to hurt one of those pigs he could have, especially since he was surrounded. But none of them got hurt, and he got tased. There is a difference between flailing to wrench oneself free, and going on the offensive to break free. You're a cop, or a rent-a-cop aren't you?

 

[RamIt]

Nope not a cop, or anything of the sort. 3rd year business major.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Tasing is really not that big of a deal

There are reasons people gravitate to their professions. When someone who likes to control others has a taser on their hip, they will seek opportunities to use it.