Dow Closes Above 10,000 For First Time In A Year

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The Dow dipped below 10,000 again on Friday closing with the first 3 digits being 999. Clearly the devil is in the workings as we can see when standing on our heads doing Geithner-Bernanke Economics.


Meanwhile in a related story, one which flys in the face of WT27 and claims of a rosy and healthy picture for the Nation, it seems The San Joaquin bank went bye bye, making the total so far this year 99 failed banks.


Hmm..99 this year, as opposed to 25 last year...hmm...

The bank failure will cost the FDIC somewhere in the area of 103 million dollars. (and remember folks, it is the taxpayer who supplies money towards the FDIC, in one way or another)



http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/16/business/AP-US-Bank-Closures.html


"The 99 failures may not fully reflect the depth of banks' travails. Many more banks -- perhaps hundreds -- are so weak they could have been shut down already, experts say. Many vulnerable banks are in limbo. Regulators have threatened to close them unless they shore up their balance sheets, but the recession has made it difficult to raise capital or sell assets."



Ev'rybody let's all join in and sing:

99 banks have failed this year
99 banks have failed
You shut one down
then sell it around
monopolize all of them now.


Everybody now-

99 banks have failed this year,
99 banks have failed
As one shuts down
some tell of rebound
yet the economy still is southbound...


Yes, 99 banks have failed this year
99 banks have failed,
depositors know
it's them who'll go
much deeper in debt at tax time.



99 banks have failed this year,
they say there be some more
the left they all cry
'twas Bush who drank rye
that caused the chaotic flow.


So, 99 banks which have failed this year
the managers have all been fired
but the President says
The economy's better
although it keeps getting wetter. (due to the tears of those losing homes and jobs)
 

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Northland writes:

it seems The San Joaquin bank went bye bye, making the total so far this year 99 failed banks.


Hmm..99 this year, as opposed to 25 last year...hmm...


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Will responds:


Listen, bozo, it isn't hard to search wikipedia and rag on Obama.


From wikipedia:

List of bank failures in 2008

  1. Douglass National Bank, Kansas City, MO. Failed on January 25, 2008
  2. Hume Bank, Hume, MO. Failed on March 7, 2008
  3. ANB Financial, NA, Bentonville, AR. Failed on May 9, 2008
  4. First Integrity Bank, NA, Staples, MN. Failed on May 30, 2008
  5. IndyMac Bank, Pasadena, CA. Failed on July 11, 2008
  6. First National Bank of Nevada, Reno, NV. Failed on July 25, 2008
  7. First Heritage Bank, NA, Newport Beach, CA. Failed on July 25, 2008
  8. First Priority Bank, Bradenton, FL. Failed on August 1, 2008
  9. The Columbian Bank and Trust Company, Topeka, KS. Failed on August 22, 2008
  10. Integrity Bancshares Inc., Alpharetta, GA. Failed on August 29, 2008
  11. Silver State Bank, Henderson, NV. Failed on September 5, 2008
  12. Ameribank, Northfork, WV. Failed on September 19, 2008
  13. Washington Mutual Bank, Henderson, NV and Washington Mutual Bank FSB, Park City, UT. Failed on September 25, 2008
  14. Main Street Bank, Northville, MI. Failed on October 10, 2008
  15. Meridian Bank, Eldred, IL. Failed on October 10, 2008
  16. Alpha Bank & Trust, Alpharetta, GA. Failed on October 24, 2008
  17. Freedom Bank, Bradenton, FL. Failed on October 31, 2008
  18. Franklin Bank, Houston, TX. Failed on November 7, 2008
  19. Security Pacific Bank, Los Angeles, CA. Failed on November 7, 2008
  20. The Community Bank, Loganville, GA. Failed on November 21, 2008
  21. Downey Savings and Loan, Newport Beach, CA. Failed on November 21, 2008
  22. PFF Bank and Trust, Pomona, CA. Failed on November 21, 2008
  23. First Georgia Community Bank, Jackson, GA. Failed on December 5, 2008
  24. Haven Trust Bank, Duluth, GA. Failed on December 12, 2008
  25. Sanderson State Bank, Sanderson, TX. Failed on December 12, 2008
And...

List of bank failures in 2009

  1. National Bank of Commerce, Berkeley, IL. Failed on January 16, 2009
  2. Bank of Clark County, Vancouver, WA. Failed on January 16, 2009
  3. 1st Centennial Bank, Redlands, WA. Failed on January 23, 2009
  4. Ocala National Bank, Ocala, FL. Failed on January 30, 2009
  5. Suburban FSB, Crofton, MD. Failed on January 30, 2009.
  6. MagnetBank, Salt Lake City, UT. Failed on January 30, 2009
  7. County Bank, Merced, CA. Failed on February 6, 2009
  8. Alliance Bank, Culver City, CA. Failed on February 6, 2009
  9. FirstBank Financial Service, McDonough, GA. Failed on February 6, 2009
  10. Pinnacle Bank of Oregon, Beaverton, OR. Failed on February 13, 2009
  11. Corn Belt Bank & Trust Co. Pittsfield, IL. Failed on February 13, 2009
  12. Riverside Bank of the Gulf Coast, Cape Coral, FL. Failed on February 13, 2009
  13. Sherman County Bank, Loup City, NE. Failed on February 13, 2009
  14. Silver Falls Bank, Silverton, OR. Failed on February 20, 2009
  15. Heritage Community Bank, Glenwood, IL. Failed on February 27, 2009
  16. Security Savings Bank, Henderson, NV. Failed on February 27, 2009
  17. Freedom Bank of Georgia, Commerce, GA. Failed on March 6, 2009
  18. TeamBank, NA, Paola, KS. Failed on March 20, 2009
  19. Colorado National Bank, Colorado Springs, CO. Failed on March 20, 2009
  20. FirstCity Bank, Stockbridge, GA. Failed on March 20, 2009
  21. Omni National Bank, Atlanta, GA. Failed on March 27, 2009
  22. Cape Fear Bank, Wilmington, NC. Failed on April 10, 2009
  23. New Frontier Bank, Greely, CO. Failed on April 10, 2009
  24. Great Basin Bank of Nevada, Elko, NV. Failed on April 17, 2009
  25. American Sterling Bank, Sugar Creek, MO. Failed on April 17, 2009
  26. American Southern Bank, Kennesaw, GA. Failed on April 24, 2009
  27. Michigan Heritage Bank, Farmington Hills, MI. Failed on April 24, 2009
  28. First Bank of Beverly Hills, Calabasas, CA. Failed on April 24, 2009
  29. First Bank of Idaho, Ketchum, ID. Failed on April 24, 2009
  30. America West Bank, Layton, UT. Failed on May 1, 2009
  31. Citizens Community Bank, Ridgewood, NJ. Failed on May 1, 2009
  32. Silverton Bank, NA, Atlanta, GA. Failed on May 1, 2009
  33. Westsound Bank, Bremerton, WA. Failed on May 8, 2009
  34. BankUnited, FSB, Coral Gables, FL. Failed on May 21, 2009
  35. Strategic Capital Bank, Champaign, IL. Failed on May 22, 2009
  36. Citizens National Bank, Macomb, IL. Failed on May 22, 2009
  37. Bank of Lincolnwood, Lincolnwood, IL. Failed on June 5, 2009
  38. Fist National Bank of Anthony, Anthony, KS. Failed on June 19, 2009
  39. Cooperative Bank, Wilmington, NC. Failed on June 19, 2009
  40. Southern Community Bank, Fayetteville, GA. Failed on June 19, 2009
  41. Mirae Bank, Los Angeles, CA. Failed on June 26, 2009
  42. MetroPacific Bank, Irvine, CA. Failed on June 26, 2009
  43. Horizon Bank, Pine City, MN. Failed on June 26, 2009
  44. Neighborhood Community Bank, Newman, GA. Failed on June 26, 2009
  45. Community Bank of West Georgia, Villa Rica, GA. Failed on June 26, 2009
  46. First National Bank of Danville, Danville, IL. Failed on July 2, 2009
  47. Rock River Bank, Oregon, IL. Failed on July 2, 2009
  48. John Warner Bank, Clinton, IL. Failed on July 2, 2009
  49. First State Bank of Winchester, Winchester, IL. Failed on July 2, 2009
  50. Elizabeth State Bank, Elizabeth, IL. Failed on July 2, 2009
  51. Millennium State Bank of Texas, Dallas, TX Failed on July 2, 2009
  52. Founders Bank, Worth, IL, Failed on July 2, 2009
  53. Bank of Wyoming, Thermopolis, WY, Failed on July 10, 2009
  54. Temecula Valley Bank Temecula, CA, Failed on July 17, 2009
  55. Vineyard Bank Rancho, Cucamonga, CA, Failed on July 17, 2009
  56. BankFirst, Sioux Falls, SD, Failed on July 17, 2009
  57. First Piedmont Bank Winder GA Failed on 17-Jul-09
  58. Security Bank of Bibb County Macon GA Failed on 24-Jul-09
  59. Security Bank of North Metro Woodstock GA Failed on 24-Jul-09
  60. Security Bank of North Fulton Alpharetta GA Failed on 24-Jul-09
  61. Security Bank of Gwinnett County Suwanee GA Failed on 24-Jul-09
  62. Waterford Village Bank Williamsville NY Failed on 24-Jul-09
  63. Security Bank of Jones County Gray GA Failed on 24-Jul-09
  64. Security Bank of Houston County Perry GA Failed on 24-Jul-09
  65. Integrity Bank Jupiter FL Failed on 31-Jul-09
  66. First State Bank of Altus Altus OK Failed on 31-Jul-09
  67. First BankAmericano Elizabeth NJ Failed on 31-Jul-09
  68. Peoples Community Bank West Chester OH Failed on 31-Jul-09
  69. Mutual Bank Harvey IL Failed on 31-Jul-09
  70. First State Bank Sarasota FL Failed on 7-Aug-09
  71. Community National Bank of Sarasota County Venice FL Failed on 7-Aug-09
  72. Community First Bank Prineville OR Failed on 7-Aug-09
  73. Union Bank, National Association Gilbert AZ Failed on 14-Aug-09
  74. Dwelling House Savings and Loan Association Pittsburgh PA Failed on 14-Aug-09
  75. Colonial Bank Montgomery AL Failed on 14-Aug-09
  76. Community Bank of Arizona Phoenix AZ Failed on 14-Aug-09
  77. Community Bank of Nevada Las Vegas, NV Failed on August 14, 2009
  78. First Coweta Bank, Newnan, GA, Failed on August 21, 2009
  79. Guaranty Bank, Austin, TX, Failed on August 21, 2009
  80. CapitalSouth Bank, Birmingham, AL, Failed on August 21, 2009
  81. ebank, Atlanta, GA, Failed on August 21, 2009
  82. Bradford Bank, Baltimore, MD, Failed on August 28, 2009
  83. Mainstreet Bank, Forest Lake, MN, Failed on August 28, 2009
  84. Affinity Bank, Ventura, CA, Failed on August 28, 2009
  85. First Bank of Kansas City, Kansas City, MO, Failed on September 4, 2009
  86. InBank, Oak Forest, IL, Failed on September 4, 2009
  87. Vantus Bank, Sioux City, IA, Failed on September 4, 2009
  88. Platinum Community Bank, Rolling Meadows, IL, Failed on September 4, 2009
  89. First State Bank, Flagstaff, AZ, Failed on September 4, 2009
  90. Corus Bank, Chicago, IL, Failed on September 11, 2009
  91. Brickwell Community Bank, Woodbury, MN, Failed on September 11, 2009
  92. Venture Bank, Lacey, WA, Failed on September 11, 2009
  93. Irwin Union Bank and Trust Company, Columbus, IN, Failed on September 18, 2009
  94. Irwin Union Bank, F.S.B., Louisville, KY, Failed on September 18, 2009
  95. Georgian Bank, Atlanta, GA, Failed on September 25, 2009
  96. Warren Bank, Warren, MI, Failed on October 2, 2009
  97. South Colorado National Bank, Pueblo, CO, Failed on October 2, 2009
  98. Jenner Bank, Spring Grove, MN, Failed on October 2, 2009
  99. San Joaquin Bank, Bakersfield, CA, Failed on October 16, 2009

And your point is... what? That the momentum for the causes of the majority of bank failures did not begin in late 2007 and thoughout 2008?


Your point is that if John McCain and Sarah Palin were in office there would be less bank failures in 2009 than 2008?


Conservatives blame Bill Clinton for policies enacted years after he left office.


Take your deceptive song and dance elsewhere Northland. Sell it to the folks who watch Glenn Beck.
 

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Northland writes:

it seems The San Joaquin bank went bye bye, making the total so far this year 99 failed banks.


Hmm..99 this year, as opposed to 25 last year...hmm...


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Listen, bozo, it isn't hard to search wikipedia and rag on Obama.


From wikipedia:

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And your point is... what? That the momentum for the causes of the majority of bank failures did not begin in late 2007 and thoughout 2008?


Your point is that if John McCain and Sarah Palin were in office there would be less bank failures in 2009 than 2008?


Conservatives blame Bill Clinton for policies enacted years after he left office.


Take your deceptive song and dance elsewhere Northland. Sell it to the folks who watch Glenn Beck.

Oh my but aren't you the touchy one!

My article was from The New York Times, not Wikipedia.(as was shown by the actual link in my post) My preceding post from that one, 2 days ago, indicated how the market behaved back in the late 1920s right before the big October crash. It is all historical fact, none of it from Wikipedia.

My responses as to Obama were because you had started out with how wonderfully the economy is doing and how the market is in such a fine state and how it was thanks to President Obama. I merely made clear that things are not as cheery and bright as you wish to pretend.

I suppose what is most amusing about your latest tantrum-and no, as hard as you may find it to believe, it was not when you called me bozo-was when you gave yourself away. "Conservatives blame Bill Clinton..." which makes clear to all that you intend to spend your next 8 years blaming anything which goes wrong on Bush1 or Bush2 or Reagan or possibly even Lincoln (after all he was a Republican). At some point Obama needs to take responsibility for what is happening on his watch. The deficit is going up. Banks are failing. People are losing homes and jobs. Yes, some is residual from Bush years, some however is from inaction and errored actions under Obama.


And since you have now called me both a barbarian and a bozo, should I change my screen name to Bozo The Barbarian?



One more thing, if you are calling me Bozo, doesn't that mean you equate me with Clinton, as Bush1 called Clinton Bozo and that in turn would also mean you are actually Bush1.


I truly hope President Obama can get this thing back on track; however, he's got work to do and fingerpointing is not going to do the job.


Have a pleasant day.
 

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The economy is not recovering yet. Turn off the news and observe what is going on around you. The numbers lie, especially ones produced by government. CNN, FOX, CNBC, and every other news organization know absolutely nothing about economics...they are reporters, and that's about the extent of it. They rely on being told what to say, just like you all rely on being told what to believe. Wake the fuck up...double digit interest rates are only a couple years away accompanied with $130 a barrel oil...that will cause another recession. Stop sucking Obama's dick and understand he has done nothing for our economy...nothing...except for prop up the old system that you all used to despise so much, but now there's a democrat in office, suddenly the American Ponzi scheme is a-ok. You partisan fucks are all pathetic, to say the least
 

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Take your deceptive song and dance elsewhere Northland. Sell it to the folks who watch Glenn Beck.

Tee-hee.

One more thing, if you are calling me Bozo, doesn't that mean you equate me with Clinton, as Bush1 called Clinton Bozo and that in turn would also mean you are actually Bush1.

Really, Northland. Such specious logic is beneath you. There's no ergo about it. :biggrin1:
 

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I agree with lucky8... the numbers lie. I believe we're heading into part II of a double-dip. The fat cats on wall street will pay out their billions in bonuses while the folks on main street continue to suck more and more air. So much for 'change'. :rolleyes:
 

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So here's the real question:
What should I be shorting right now so as to make a killing in the impending crash?


Where's a star investor when I need one?

Your two brain cells? :tongue:

Anyone who makes or sells things that people don't have to buy??

I also think that the Banks should take another hit as people look at future provisions for bad debt.
 

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Though it is good to see the Dow above 10,000, the problem is the volatility of the entire market. In order to see something really great we need to see a trend that is far more up than down. It may be above 10,000 right now, but it could be down a staggering amount within a few weeks.

We have to see a steady upward travel and relatively good stability for months in this travel before we can begin to even think we are heading out of the weeds on this one.

Things will begin to stabilize when Americans get back to work. Americans will not be going back to work for some time because many corporations including those in financial and data management are exporting those jobs to India.

Very recently, a major manufacturer of hospital medical equipment laid off all of their employees in Los Angeles in order to export those same jobs to India. As long as most of the good jobs continue to be exported, this will not be "fixed" any time soon. The products made by this "barely domestic corporation" include cardiac pace makers, insulin pumps, cardiac monitors, and other things that your life could depend on. It is such a comfort to think of a $6,000 insulin pump being manufactured and marketed by a U.S. Comany and made by individuals in a dirt clod eating country under horiffic conditions and with questionably trained employees earning less than what our U.S. minimum wage is to make equipment that lives depend on.

Sorry to burst the bubble, I see these problems hanging around for most of us for a minimum of 5 years and ten years is easily possible.

When F.D.R. took office after the 1929 crash, it was actually the industrial "gift" of World War II that brought the United States out of the tail end of the Depression. There are many similarities between the 1929 and 2009 crashes. The research is interesting and shows the absolute stupidity of our elected representatives as the safeguards placed in to prevent this after the '29 crash were slowly undermined by lobbiests and the "fast buck" no quality mentality that started in the United States by the mid 1970's.
 
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Your two brain cells? :tongue:

Anyone who makes or sells things that people don't have to buy??

I also think that the Banks should take another hit as people look at future provisions for bad debt.
Heh, right?

My financial adviser gave me shit for being in a cash-heavy position...but as I look at the statements for my Roths and 401(k)'s for the past couple years, I'm giving silent thanks for my cautiousness (or laziness, more accurately) in investment strategies.

But being so cash-heavy, I'm going to feel like a complete chump if I don't take advantage of this low in the market and work it to my benefit to some degree.
 

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Heh, right?

But being so cash-heavy, I'm going to feel like a complete chump if I don't take advantage of this low in the market and work it to my benefit to some degree.

I have never liked the Stock Markets etc.

I think you need to keep an eye on inflation. If it looks like going up, then I will, for the first time in my life, go into serious debt and I may well also move back into property. The simple theory is that inflation reduces the value of the debt and there is no point having cash which in real terms is worth less each year.

I also think that one of the surest things is that the Chinese currency will continue to strengthen. You need to talk to your advisor on how to make the most of that.

Personally, I invest in businesses that I set up on my own or with partners. I know exactly where my money is and I have fun managing it.
 

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I also think that the Banks should take another hit as people look at future provisions for bad debt.

Bingo.

The commercial real estate sector is self-imploding. When that shoe drops, real estate and banks will get murdered again.

There is zero..ZERO..financing available for commercial property/developments. Balloons that are coming due cannot be refinanced...ergo...massive defaults on commercial debt. Hang tight for several more bank failures. Gonna be ugly.
 

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My financial adviser gave me shit for being in a cash-heavy position...but as I look at the statements for my Roths and 401(k)'s for the past couple years, I'm giving silent thanks for my cautiousness (or laziness, more accurately) in investment strategies.

But being so cash-heavy, I'm going to feel like a complete chump if I don't take advantage of this low in the market and work it to my benefit to some degree.
Well, that ship has probably already sailed, unless of course the market continues to climb which I think is pretty unlikely given the disconnect between the wall street exuberance and main street reality (job losses continuing to pile up, hiring anemic at best, spending out of control). I figure something is liable to bring it back down to earth soon (and hence produce a double-dip recession). When things hit the skids I actually went a bit heavier on personal investments and pulled back a bit on retirement (i.e., the monies I can't pull out without massive penalty) in hopes of putting a tourniquet on those losses (mistake? maybe.). I too maintain a rather a conservative 'wait and see' approach, meanwhile the market continues to go up. :rolleyes:

The commercial real estate sector is self-imploding. When that shoe drops, real estate and banks will get murdered again.

There is zero..ZERO..financing available for commercial property/developments. Balloons that are coming due cannot be refinanced...ergo...massive defaults on commercial debt. Hang tight for several more bank failures. Gonna be ugly.
This may just be the impending 'reality check' I'm anticipating, in addition to another round of home mortgage adjustments coming due.
 
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Heh, right?

My financial adviser gave me shit for being in a cash-heavy position...but as I look at the statements for my Roths and 401(k)'s for the past couple years, I'm giving silent thanks for my cautiousness (or laziness, more accurately) in investment strategies.

But being so cash-heavy, I'm going to feel like a complete chump if I don't take advantage of this low in the market and work it to my benefit to some degree.


short selling or margin trading is stupid if your in a cash heavy position, "cash is king" during hard times, and these ARE hard times. in my opinion, margin trading is ALWAYS stupid, just don't buy it if you can't pay for it. it's insane.

follow your instincts about where society is headed with global retooling.
out of the ashes will come big change. (this kind of opportunity doesn't
come around very often.)

research stocks, think about buying stock from innovative companies
that is still well below (30% or more) where it was in summer of 2008. upstart companies will lead (as they did with the internet "bubble"). larger companies move too slowly and have too much baggage invested in the past. but keep diversified, don't put all your eggs in one basket, no matter how much you believe it is the "next big thing", because sure as hell, other investors will latch onto it, run it up and have the selloff (all on the day you're off whitewater rafting and don't have access to online trading).

always remember BUY LOW SELL HIGH. the buying low part of that equation
is still where the market is now, and another downward "adjustment"
(buying opportunity) is coming. try not to freak with the daily ups and downs, it's interesting but not good for your sanity.
 
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People who hate Obama and people who missed this rally all hope for a crash, and they should be ashamed of themselves.

"THE SKY IS FALLING THE SKY IS FALLING"
 

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Yes, I'm quite familiar with market basics. My remark about short selling was a satirical reference to an impending crash as juxtaposed to the general ebullience expressed in the OP.


sarcasm doesn't always come through in posts (and i've been away from lpsg for a while). sorry if i mistook you for a novice.

but i'm constantly amazed by how many "experts" ignore market basics.
 

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Meh, I don't think it's going to be a double dip recession...more so an L shaped "recovery", with unemployment remaining above 7% for the next 2-3 years as well as low wages, however GDP will start increasing, the dollar will weaken as the Obama admin, like Bush, is pursuing a low dollar policy to spur exports. As for the market, I don't foresee a big sell-off anytime soon. I think the DJI will remain between 9600 and 10,300 for the year (stocks and options are the best alternative right now for returns), I'm still calling 1200/oz gold at some point in the next year, and $100 a barrel oil by July of 2010. Interest rates will start rising soon, however I do feel Bernanke is scared shitless of doing so.

Once oil rises above $125/barrel and rates rise above 5%, I believe GDP and discrectionary income will begin to fall a year or so down the road and we'll be in another dictionary recession, however, it won't be as bad as this one....somewhere around 2012,2013...if we're still alive that is

For small investors, cash and CDs are the best places to be right now until earnings season is over and rates start to rise. Buying high and selling low is not the way to go...