Dr. mike varshavski

[DAVE08114]

Under the white coat he may look like fellow Russian Data Foland.

 

[deleted1052711]

Well check the social media profile from March and April last year then, at the crucial moments of the pandemic, when every medical professional in the world was saying don't wear masks they are in fact MORE dangerous. Maybe then it won't upset you as much lol.

Or maybe you and others will realise how quickly "scientific opinion" can change...

No medical professional worth their salt ever said masks were "more dangerous" than not wearing one. When the pandemic started the WHO and governments were trying to stop/delay a rush on masks and other ppe to make sure front-line workers had an adequate supply. They went about this entirely the wrong way by claiming masks had little impact on transmission, a lie designed to protect doctors and nurses but ultimately led to people not believing them when they changed their advise as supplies of ppe had been secured for all who needed them.

 

[braex27]

Its kinda funny how quickly some of you turned against . Especially considering how the offense you cant forgive is him trying to celebrate his birthday in the middle of the ocean with tested people. Honestly, the turnaround is so fast with the insults to his career and credibility that i don’t think the people responding like this were ever on his side to begin with.

No, I was never "on his side". I don't know him from a bar of soap and he doesn't know me. Why would I be on his side? He's some eye candy - that's literally it.

But I do know there are people who are "on his side" - probably millions - some people who take his advice seriously, particularly young people. For that reason, it is irrelevant whether or not his friends on the boat were tested** - people looking at the picture would not now that. It sends the message that, "if the youtube Dr I trust can do it, it must be safe for me and my friends too".

But I get it - let me give him the benefit of the doubt - he was surprised by his friends, he made a mistake, in the moment celebrating his birthday - everyone makes mistakes. The best response to a mistake is to own it, apologise and committing to be better. He did not do that. He offered a nothing explanation on a lesser youtube channel with 75K subscribers, compared to the 6.7 million on his main channel.

What more can I draw from this other than - "I should say something to save my reputation - but how do I do that without impacting my bottom line...?"

_____

**As an aside, even if all of his friends were tested before they got on the boat - they would have had to be tested at least 24 to 48 hours before to get the results - at least that's the standard timeframe where I live. How many people do you think each of his friends interacted with between the test result and getting to the boat - lets count airport people, other plane passengers, hotel guests, food ands beverage suppliers, boat rentals and so on and so forth.

 

[Emjaydee87]

Well check the social media profile from March and April last year then, at the crucial moments of the pandemic, when every medical professional in the world was saying don't wear masks they are in fact MORE dangerous. Maybe then it won't upset you as much lol.

Or maybe you and others will realise how quickly "scientific opinion" can change...

Oh my god I cannot converse with idiocy. I must stop to save my sanity.

 

[LadyHeather]

Can I just side-step the whole masked vs. unmasked, tested vs. untested arguments? Let's break it down into two things:

1) Acceptable risk

2) Necessary risk

...

1) Now, let's say the data on masks is debatable (it's not, they work.) and furthermore let us also say that all the participants; guests, staff, random people encountered on the streets, etc. were tested and found negative. Conclusion: Risk of infection = LOW

2) Now, let us analyze if the risk of infection is worth it. Reason for risk-taking: Birthday party. Acceptable? NO. Taking risks with people's health (not just their own, but the people they will inevitably encounter later on) for a birthday party? NO. NO. NO.

The risk of transmission however low is not acceptable for the mere fact that it's UNECESSARY. Therefore, your honors, this boat ride is awful, terrible, irresponsible and unacceptable especially for a medical professional who dispenses medical advice in a public forum and has become a public personality.

Thank you all.

 

[deleted779182]

No medical professional worth their salt ever said masks were "more dangerous" than not wearing one. When the pandemic started the WHO and governments were trying to stop/delay a rush on masks and other ppe to make sure front-line workers had an adequate supply. They went about this entirely the wrong way by claiming masks had little impact on transmission, a lie designed to protect doctors and nurses but ultimately led to people not believing them when they changed their advise as supplies of ppe had been secured for all who needed them.

Oh my god I cannot converse with idiocy. I must stop to save my sanity.

Wrong. Outright lies from both of you. Or just forgetful. Who knows.

Public Health Experts Keep Changing Their Guidance on Whether or Not to Wear Face Masks for Coronavirus

The only problem: that’s not likely to be effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.”

Lynn Bufka, a clinical psychologist and senior director for practice, research and policy at the American Psychological Association, suspects that people are clinging to masks for the same reason they knock on wood or avoid walking under ladders. “Even if experts are saying it’s really not going to make a difference, a little [part of] people’s brains is thinking, well, it’s not going to hurt. Maybe it’ll cut my risk just a little bit, so it’s worth it to wear a mask,” she says. In that sense, wearing a mask is a “superstitious behavior”

Face masks may increase risk of getting coronavirus, federal health official says

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The U.S. Surgeon General not only wants people to stop buying face masks to prevent coronavirus, but he warns they may actually increase chances of contraction.

Opinion | Why those masks you're stockpiling may not protect you — and what will

Plus, you're likely going to contaminate yourself taking it off or to touch your face more than usual, because they are irritating to wear.

Wearing mask may increase risk of infection | News | The Times

Wearing a face mask to protect from the coronavirus could actually increase the risk of becoming infected, England’s deputy chief medical officer has warned.

Dr Jenny Harries said it was “not a good idea” for the public to wear facemasks as the virus can get trapped in the material and infect the wearer when they breathe in.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-masks-gloves-dont-coronavirus-experts.html

"People are always readjusting their masks and that has the potential to contaminate them," said France's head of health, Jerome Salomon.

Masks can actually increase your risk of getting the coronavirus – here’s why

But according to infection prevention specialist Eli Perencevich, MD, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at the University of Iowa’s College of Medicine, if you wear a mask incorrectly it can actually “increase” your chances of getting the virus.

“Masks won’t protect the average person. Because they will wear them incorrectly and autocontaminate themselves.

“There’s no evidence that wearing masks on healthy people will protect them,” he said.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/heal...your-risk-of-a-coronavirus-infection-c-725940

Dr William Schaffner, a preventive medicine professor at Vanderbilt University in the US, says buying masks is more of a “psychological thing”, making people feel like they have more control over the situation.

Do I need a face mask now that coronavirus is spreading in the community?

Many Australians also don't know how to use face masks properly, which means some people were potentially putting themselves at increased risk, said Holly Seale, and infection control expert.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30918-1/fulltext

Evidence on non-pharmaceutical public health measures including use of masks to mitigate the risk and impact of pandemic influenza was reviewed by a workshop convened by WHO in 2019; the workshop concluded that although there was no evidence from trials of effectiveness in reducing transmission,

Face masks could increase risk of getting coronavirus, medical chief warns

Jenny Harries, deputy chief medical officer, said the masks could “actually trap the virus” and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in.

“For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea” to wear a face mask in the hope of preventing infection, she added.

 

[deleted779182]

2) Now, let us analyze if the risk of infection is worth it. Reason for risk-taking: Birthday party. Acceptable? NO. Taking risks with people's health (not just their own, but the people they will inevitably encounter later on) for a birthday party? NO. NO. NO.

The risk of transmission however low is not acceptable for the mere fact that it's UNECESSARY. Therefore, your honors, this boat ride is awful, terrible, irresponsible and unacceptable especially for a medical professional who dispenses medical advice in a public forum and has become a public personality.

Thank you all.

Oh yes. We're all waiting on "LadyHeather" on LPSG to tell us what aspects of life are "necessary".

 

[deleted779182]

. How many people do you think each of his friends interacted with between the test result and getting to the boat - lets count airport people, other plane passengers, hotel guests, food ands beverage suppliers, boat rentals and so on and so forth.

The same number of people that individuals infected with respiratory illnesses encountered in their daily lives each other year. Like, you know the flu actually killed many hundreds of thousands each year, right?

 

[bigboaster]

Wrong. Outright lies from both of you. Or just forgetful. Who knows.

Public Health Experts Keep Changing Their Guidance on Whether or Not to Wear Face Masks for Coronavirus

The only problem: that’s not likely to be effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.”

Lynn Bufka, a clinical psychologist and senior director for practice, research and policy at the American Psychological Association, suspects that people are clinging to masks for the same reason they knock on wood or avoid walking under ladders. “Even if experts are saying it’s really not going to make a difference, a little [part of] people’s brains is thinking, well, it’s not going to hurt. Maybe it’ll cut my risk just a little bit, so it’s worth it to wear a mask,” she says. In that sense, wearing a mask is a “superstitious behavior”

Face masks may increase risk of getting coronavirus, federal health official says

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The U.S. Surgeon General not only wants people to stop buying face masks to prevent coronavirus, but he warns they may actually increase chances of contraction.

Opinion | Why those masks you're stockpiling may not protect you — and what will

Plus, you're likely going to contaminate yourself taking it off or to touch your face more than usual, because they are irritating to wear.

Wearing mask may increase risk of infection | News | The Times

Wearing a face mask to protect from the coronavirus could actually increase the risk of becoming infected, England’s deputy chief medical officer has warned.

Dr Jenny Harries said it was “not a good idea” for the public to wear facemasks as the virus can get trapped in the material and infect the wearer when they breathe in.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-masks-gloves-dont-coronavirus-experts.html

"People are always readjusting their masks and that has the potential to contaminate them," said France's head of health, Jerome Salomon.

Masks can actually increase your risk of getting the coronavirus – here’s why

But according to infection prevention specialist Eli Perencevich, MD, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at the University of Iowa’s College of Medicine, if you wear a mask incorrectly it can actually “increase” your chances of getting the virus.

“Masks won’t protect the average person. Because they will wear them incorrectly and autocontaminate themselves.

“There’s no evidence that wearing masks on healthy people will protect them,” he said.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/heal...your-risk-of-a-coronavirus-infection-c-725940

Dr William Schaffner, a preventive medicine professor at Vanderbilt University in the US, says buying masks is more of a “psychological thing”, making people feel like they have more control over the situation.

Do I need a face mask now that coronavirus is spreading in the community?

Many Australians also don't know how to use face masks properly, which means some people were potentially putting themselves at increased risk, said Holly Seale, and infection control expert.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30918-1/fulltext

Evidence on non-pharmaceutical public health measures including use of masks to mitigate the risk and impact of pandemic influenza was reviewed by a workshop convened by WHO in 2019; the workshop concluded that although there was no evidence from trials of effectiveness in reducing transmission,

Face masks could increase risk of getting coronavirus, medical chief warns

Jenny Harries, deputy chief medical officer, said the masks could “actually trap the virus” and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in.

“For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea” to wear a face mask in the hope of preventing infection, she added.

Hey moron. Fucking moron. Using old ass links from when the pandemic basically started and we had less info about the virus doesn't mean anything you absolute covidiot. Ffs. Disingenuous clown.

 

[bigboaster]

Oh yes. We're all waiting on "LadyHeather" on LPSG to tell us what aspects of life are "necessary".

Parties are not necessary jackass.

 

[Emjaydee87]

Wrong. Outright lies from both of you. Or just forgetful. Who knows.

Public Health Experts Keep Changing Their Guidance on Whether or Not to Wear Face Masks for Coronavirus

The only problem: that’s not likely to be effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.”

Lynn Bufka, a clinical psychologist and senior director for practice, research and policy at the American Psychological Association, suspects that people are clinging to masks for the same reason they knock on wood or avoid walking under ladders. “Even if experts are saying it’s really not going to make a difference, a little [part of] people’s brains is thinking, well, it’s not going to hurt. Maybe it’ll cut my risk just a little bit, so it’s worth it to wear a mask,” she says. In that sense, wearing a mask is a “superstitious behavior”

Face masks may increase risk of getting coronavirus, federal health official says

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The U.S. Surgeon General not only wants people to stop buying face masks to prevent coronavirus, but he warns they may actually increase chances of contraction.

Opinion | Why those masks you're stockpiling may not protect you — and what will

Plus, you're likely going to contaminate yourself taking it off or to touch your face more than usual, because they are irritating to wear.

Wearing mask may increase risk of infection | News | The Times

Wearing a face mask to protect from the coronavirus could actually increase the risk of becoming infected, England’s deputy chief medical officer has warned.

Dr Jenny Harries said it was “not a good idea” for the public to wear facemasks as the virus can get trapped in the material and infect the wearer when they breathe in.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-masks-gloves-dont-coronavirus-experts.html

"People are always readjusting their masks and that has the potential to contaminate them," said France's head of health, Jerome Salomon.

Masks can actually increase your risk of getting the coronavirus – here’s why

But according to infection prevention specialist Eli Perencevich, MD, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at the University of Iowa’s College of Medicine, if you wear a mask incorrectly it can actually “increase” your chances of getting the virus.

“Masks won’t protect the average person. Because they will wear them incorrectly and autocontaminate themselves.

“There’s no evidence that wearing masks on healthy people will protect them,” he said.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/heal...your-risk-of-a-coronavirus-infection-c-725940

Dr William Schaffner, a preventive medicine professor at Vanderbilt University in the US, says buying masks is more of a “psychological thing”, making people feel like they have more control over the situation.

Do I need a face mask now that coronavirus is spreading in the community?

Many Australians also don't know how to use face masks properly, which means some people were potentially putting themselves at increased risk, said Holly Seale, and infection control expert.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30918-1/fulltext

Evidence on non-pharmaceutical public health measures including use of masks to mitigate the risk and impact of pandemic influenza was reviewed by a workshop convened by WHO in 2019; the workshop concluded that although there was no evidence from trials of effectiveness in reducing transmission,

Face masks could increase risk of getting coronavirus, medical chief warns

Jenny Harries, deputy chief medical officer, said the masks could “actually trap the virus” and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in.

“For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea” to wear a face mask in the hope of preventing infection, she added.

Dr Mike Varshavski went to florida like 6 months after all of the above had been updated and contradicted by newer medical research.

I don’t know what your point is? Using articles from March to prove Dr Mike’s state of mind in like, December?

Why not use articles from December? Oh yeah, it completely destroys your argument.

Again. Idiocy.

 

[FatCock]

Can we just talk about his thick thighs and how amazing it would be to eat his ass in doggy style?

 

[LadyHeather]

Oh yes. We're all waiting on "LadyHeather" on LPSG to tell us what aspects of life are "necessary".

Oh wow. An ad hominem attack. Got nothing, huh?

 

[E75]

Wrong. Outright lies from both of you. Or just forgetful. Who knows.

Public Health Experts Keep Changing Their Guidance on Whether or Not to Wear Face Masks for Coronavirus

The only problem: that’s not likely to be effective against respiratory illnesses like the flu and COVID-19. If it were, “the CDC would have recommended it years ago,” he says. “It doesn’t, because it makes science-based recommendations.”

Lynn Bufka, a clinical psychologist and senior director for practice, research and policy at the American Psychological Association, suspects that people are clinging to masks for the same reason they knock on wood or avoid walking under ladders. “Even if experts are saying it’s really not going to make a difference, a little [part of] people’s brains is thinking, well, it’s not going to hurt. Maybe it’ll cut my risk just a little bit, so it’s worth it to wear a mask,” she says. In that sense, wearing a mask is a “superstitious behavior”

Face masks may increase risk of getting coronavirus, federal health official says

SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- The U.S. Surgeon General not only wants people to stop buying face masks to prevent coronavirus, but he warns they may actually increase chances of contraction.

Opinion | Why those masks you're stockpiling may not protect you — and what will

Plus, you're likely going to contaminate yourself taking it off or to touch your face more than usual, because they are irritating to wear.

Wearing mask may increase risk of infection | News | The Times

Wearing a face mask to protect from the coronavirus could actually increase the risk of becoming infected, England’s deputy chief medical officer has warned.

Dr Jenny Harries said it was “not a good idea” for the public to wear facemasks as the virus can get trapped in the material and infect the wearer when they breathe in.

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-03-masks-gloves-dont-coronavirus-experts.html

"People are always readjusting their masks and that has the potential to contaminate them," said France's head of health, Jerome Salomon.

Masks can actually increase your risk of getting the coronavirus – here’s why

But according to infection prevention specialist Eli Perencevich, MD, a professor of medicine and epidemiology at the University of Iowa’s College of Medicine, if you wear a mask incorrectly it can actually “increase” your chances of getting the virus.

“Masks won’t protect the average person. Because they will wear them incorrectly and autocontaminate themselves.

“There’s no evidence that wearing masks on healthy people will protect them,” he said.

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/heal...your-risk-of-a-coronavirus-infection-c-725940

Dr William Schaffner, a preventive medicine professor at Vanderbilt University in the US, says buying masks is more of a “psychological thing”, making people feel like they have more control over the situation.

Do I need a face mask now that coronavirus is spreading in the community?

Many Australians also don't know how to use face masks properly, which means some people were potentially putting themselves at increased risk, said Holly Seale, and infection control expert.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30918-1/fulltext

Evidence on non-pharmaceutical public health measures including use of masks to mitigate the risk and impact of pandemic influenza was reviewed by a workshop convened by WHO in 2019; the workshop concluded that although there was no evidence from trials of effectiveness in reducing transmission,

Face masks could increase risk of getting coronavirus, medical chief warns

Jenny Harries, deputy chief medical officer, said the masks could “actually trap the virus” and cause the person wearing it to breathe it in.

“For the average member of the public walking down a street, it is not a good idea” to wear a face mask in the hope of preventing infection, she added.

not to mention 40 years of clinical research and trials on face mask efficacy, has been shown not to work time and again. They don’t work, period.

 

[aishwarya1]

Can administration delete this shit talk?

 

[Nico19]

So if you get tested and it’s negative, and the same is done for everyone around you, you still hide? Then what’s the point of the test if you can’t do anything?

Thank you - i hate to break it to everyone, but being outside right now is not a death wish or a felony. I cant tell you how ironic how the people here pearl clutch over the act of one individual when I've seen hundreds of people going out since the lockdown subsided (not even wearing their masks right) with even more questionable reasons and actions. If everyone around is tested regularly and negative and wearing their masks properly, the risk is low and I think its fine.

 

[Nico19]

No, I was never "on his side". I don't know him from a bar of soap and he doesn't know me. Why would I be on his side? He's some eye candy - that's literally it.

But I do know there are people who are "on his side" - probably millions - some people who take his advice seriously, particularly young people. For that reason, it is irrelevant whether or not his friends on the boat were tested** - people looking at the picture would not now that. It sends the message that, "if the youtube Dr I trust can do it, it must be safe for me and my friends too".

But I get it - let me give him the benefit of the doubt - he was surprised by his friends, he made a mistake, in the moment celebrating his birthday - everyone makes mistakes. The best response to a mistake is to own it, apologise and committing to be better. He did not do that. He offered a nothing explanation on a lesser youtube channel with 75K subscribers, compared to the 6.7 million on his main channel.

What more can I draw from this other than - "I should say something to save my reputation - but how do I do that without impacting my bottom line...?"

_____

**As an aside, even if all of his friends were tested before they got on the boat - they would have had to be tested at least 24 to 48 hours before to get the results - at least that's the standard timeframe where I live. How many people do you think each of his friends interacted with between the test result and getting to the boat - lets count airport people, other plane passengers, hotel guests, food ands beverage suppliers, boat rentals and so on and so forth.

Tbh im not really concerned with arguments on how doctor mike addressed the situation, his misreadings on boat capacity, or where he posted the video; because the way i see the situation is this - if he acknowledged in the video that it wasn't the right thing to do and says he should do better, thats good enough to me and honestly is the most important part the public should hear anyway (were you expecting tears and flagellation?). Besides, people obviously shouldn’t be looking to one person like doctor mike to know exactly what they should and shouldn't do at this time - and I'm sure a lot of people don't.
Im more concerned with how this conversation plays into the more general viewpoint of people even being out and about right now, as shown by the thread. Because from some of these comments, it seems like everyone thinks the common things people do for prevention, like washing your hands, using hand sanitizer, testing, self isolating from the general public a majority of the time, and of course wearing masks when in public spaces, mean nothing if the chance even exists (especially in this context since everyone is so quick to mention the hypothetical people doctor mike’s friends “may” have been in contact with before the boat).
Bottom line, what is actually essential right now is not how being out makes you look or personal assessments of what counts as necessary risks, but being aware of your surroundings and keeping risk level low with the aforementioned actions. like I said before, being outside with other people around is not a death flag ( especially if you're in the middle of the ocean - i honestly cant get over that part lol)

 

[Sethxxx]

Oh God. Throngs of people still pearl-clutching and hyperventilating because someone went on a boat in the sun a few months ago. Find a hobby or something lol.

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must be nice not caring about other people's lives

 

[deleted779182]

Hey moron. Fucking moron. Using old ass links from when the pandemic basically started and we had less info about the virus doesn't mean anything you absolute covidiot. Ffs. Disingenuous clown.

Parties are not necessary jackass.

must be nice not caring about other people's lives

Why not use articles from December? Oh yeah, it completely destroys your argument.

Again. Idiocy.

Oh wow. An ad hominem attack. Got nothing, huh?

Can administration delete this shit talk?

Wow. So I post facts backing up my statement that medical professionals around the world (I quoted individuals from as far abroad as France, Australia, the United Kingdom and the United States) were, during the crucial moments in the pandemic in March and April last year, saying don't wear masks they are in fact more dangerous. (To be honest, it shouldn't even be necessary for me to do this as it should be common knowledge). I had to do so as per below, Digitalb lied and said no med prof even said they were "more dangeorus".

Obviously struck a raw nerve to prove you incorrect so spectacularly, to have all these shadow accounts turn rabid on me.

Well check the social media profile from March and April last year then, at the crucial moments of the pandemic, when every medical professional in the world was saying don't wear masks they are in fact MORE dangerous. Maybe then it won't upset you as much lol.

Or maybe you and others will realise how quickly "scientific opinion" can change...

No medical professional worth their salt ever said masks were "more dangerous" than not wearing one.

 

[deleted779182]

Oh wow. An ad hominem attack. Got nothing, huh?

I'm just honestly and plainly saying that humanity shouldn't consider what is necessary or unnecessary for fulfilment of their lives based on what "LadyHeather" on LPSG says. Pretty basic principle.