Dreams... or premonitions?

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  1. Rugbypup

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    I'm not talking Final Destination like visions here. While I like many other have had my moments of insanity, I'm not proclaiming to be the next Nostradamus... just so we're clear!

    Here's my question...

    ...have you ever had a dream of something that then came true?

    Here's why I ask, having been dark of mood lately, last night I had a really unsettling dream and seemed really specific and realistic.

    It was about an earthquake in the NZ city of Christchurch. It wasn't very powerful but it went on for so long, that it caused massive destruction. I dreamt of a big land slide where the land just gave way because it was shaking for so long but all the people were still in their houses, because the quake didn't seem very serious to them, they did nothing about it.

    I woke up really quite unsure if I had been dreaming or not, the first thing I did was check the news and the earthquake drums online.

    I'd like to think it's just my subconscious acting things out in symbolic representations of problems and stresses in my life, but I am going to be truly gutted if there's a quake in Christchurch with awful consequences.

    What about you... have you literally had a dream come true?

    Do humans... or pups, have the capacity for precognition? :biggrin1:
     
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    When I was younger I'd have moments of clear déjà vu that I felt could be traced back to dreams, but they were always incredibly banal. Nothing like that has happened to me in at least seven or eight years.
     
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    I used to have prescient dreams quite frequently as a teen

    Nowadays, I usually don't recall my dreams, but the premonitions remain as nebulous thoughts and speculations during the waking day ...
     
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    numerous times i have sat watching The Simpson's and new what the next scene was etc even though they were being aired for the first time in UK, similiar experiences with a UK drama serial calle Eastenders.

    on one occasion at work, i all of a sudden knew that i would never see a colleague again, the following day was my day off but when i went back the following day i was told that the guy just walked out, it came as no surprise because i felt it.
     
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    Human consciousness is finely tuned to finding patterns about things in the present, and projecting likely outcomes in the future. So some part of our prescience is just damn good predicting with very little information. I think this happens even on a subconscious level.

    But we also tend to suffer from a thing called "confirmation bias" where we form a theory prematurely, affirm it when it seems to apply, and then ignore those occasions where the theory doesn't work.

    We certainly do this with our contention that we have accurate premonitions. When a dream comes true or when we think about a relative who then calls a few minutes later, we remember that as confirmation. However, we completley forget or discount all of those times when dreams don't come true, or when we think of a relative and the phone doesn't ring.

    So it is very easy for us to conclude that we have talent for premonition even when our successes in prediction are not any more than what it would be if it was completely random.

    But, does that mean I disbelieve in real premonitions? No, but I do disbelieve most of us when we say that we have that skill unless we can show it to be more significant than random guesses.
     
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    Real premonitions are different from presumed premonitions. I might think that something will happen and sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't. Real premonitions are quite different. They are like an outside voice which interrupts your inner monologue and tells you something quite clearly and strongly even when you aren't thinking of anything remotely related to the situation.

    One of the strangest stories I've heard about this came from my great aunt who was 12 years old and noticed that the lamps were lit in the house next door where her two friends lived. It was quite late and when that was the case in those days of the early 1900s, it usually meant someone was sick. She went to wake her parents and her mother went next door to see if my uncle needed to ride for the doctor. He returned a little later with a strange story from the maiden aunt taking care of them that both girls had awakened convinced that their father had died. They were inconsolable and no amount of reassurance would get them back to sleep. So my uncle told the girls' aunt to put rum in some milk and that would help them to sleep.

    The next morning the town awoke to the sinking of Titanic and, indeed, the girls were right. Their mother did make it onto a lifeboat and was rescued. Their father went down with the ship.

    You know my story about the bizarrely improbable dream I had which came true and I've also related a few other stories here about premonitions that have come true. Real premonitions really are different than the suspicious possible/probable. They don't feel the same and there isn't a sense of doubt with them. You feel it when you know it.
     
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    I use to have very strong déjà vu experiences as a kid. It could be quite unsettling to be in a mundane situation such as a classroom or store or sporting event and suddenly know what going to happen next because it's happened before. It stopped when I was 12 years old. More or less at puberty.

    Sometimes I have out of body experiences where I am standing to the side or above, watching myself interact with other people. It happens sometimes during sex or in a stressful event or a meeting. It's like I just detach from the scene and observe. At those times it's not like I know what going to happen next. It's more like things slow down and I know what to say or do to get the outcome I want.

    It's kinda of weird and the few people I have told about it advised seeing a doctor about it. But feel it's not hurting anyone so why make a mess about it.
     
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    Dear Rugbypup:

    As beautiful and green Christchurch is, I don't think you're having a premonition. Just knowing the geology of the area is enough for me to suggest you move to another part of the island where there is a lesser chance of immediate volcanic activity. From the little I know about the area, it's way past due for a tectonic shift to well up lots of magma turning everything into crunchy charred bits. Just sayin'.
     
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    I'm happy that the dream was just my unconscious mind playing with my fear of earthquakes in the form of a dream.

    The only thing close to what I saw was the terrible land slides in Indonesia the other week. So much so, I checked to see if there was a town called Christchurch over there that was affected, there isn't.

    I felt so bad about the whole thing I've donated a little money to the Samoa rescue fund and when I have a little more, I'll donate some to the people of Indonesia too.
     
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    Something like this used to happen to me when I was younger. I would be talking with someone and it was as if some other part of my personality would wake up and start observing me talking. It was a fleeting thing, sort of like having a momentary dual consciousness or perhaps simply self-consciousness. I used to be able to finish the sentence just fine and no one ever noticed my momentary divided attention.

    I never worried about it, it didn't happen very often, and it gradually went away.
     
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    Yes and, well... I could say yes, though it seems precognition is often attributed to other forces. I'm unsure on the specifics, other than saying the capacity to experience precognition is very much there.

    Another reason I keep my mouth shut about things that seem probable and simply "let them happen", instead of blurt out my thoughts and find myself possibly wrong.

    And a bit off-topic: You know what gets me, what REALLY gets me. Is how humans have the ability to not knock into each other on crowded streets / side-walks. I could easily want to attribute this to a supernatural force (guiding people along?). It's so uncanny.

    Confirmation bias is doing me in, as I sometimes drift into topics that "common" science dares not pervade (or so it seems). The kind of reality that is more likely to be approached on sitcoms than the news.

    So... I'm left with the confirmation that it "seemed" to work, or... sometimes left with no discernible confirmation, for or against, at all.

    Also, even though they might be "supposed" and suspicious possible/probable premonitions, doesn't mean they mightn't carry a high degree of accuracy.

    I would like to advise you what to do in case something bad becomes of this (not saying it will) but I'm merely another lost creature (or what have you) in this... I myself was advised on seeing a doctor after having such experiences. Even during non-stressful times I could watch over the scene like an observer.

    Also, I was told to watch Fight Club, as I was reminding people of that movie.


    All I can say is my events didn't pass. And I was to experience a devastating spiritual crisis in time.
     
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    Nearly one year ago, I dreamed of the destruction of Christchurch here in NZ.

    Saturday the 4th of September, 04:30, saw a 7.1 quake damage huge swathes of the city. I even felt it here in Wellington, my whole little apartment shook in three strong jolts for about 20 to 30 seconds. Needless to say, my arse bit the bed covers and it frightened the shite out of me.

    The miracle is, no one was killed.

    If you've seen the photos or footage you'll know that just as little of 5 hours either side of when it happened would have seen mass losses of life.

    My thoughts are with the people of Christchurch, the father's there for father's day and with by big beautiful wolf. I hope the after shocks stop soon.

    The scary thing is... the day before, my brother phoned me to see if I was OK as he thought something bad had happened to me.

    Be safe y'all,

    Pup, x.
     
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    I have prescient dreams all the time. Intense vivid premonitions which are part of a condition, and not supernatural or whatever.

    That documentary is really interesting, I saw it some time ago and talked with my doctor about it and had tests done and stuff.
     
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    Dreams can be indicators of past lives.
     
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    I have had dreams in which I woke up, and then, later, I woke up!
     
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    I often has a sense of deja vu, like ive been to a place ive never been before but my mind is telling "you've been here man", just quite cant put a finger to it.
     
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    In waking life I will sometimes have that deja vu, when I realize I dreamed this very moment a few days previous. I take it to mean I am 'on track'.

    But I also have that Calboner experience quite a lot :tongue:
     
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    I have random deja vu. Of course, you never know when you have the dream...but once the sequence of events and circumstances plays out...I know it is all familiar.

    Unrelated (hopefully), I've had two dreams recently that were so terrifying that I would have woken up screaming...but I was too horrified to scream. These dreams aren't situational...not like I'm being chased by a monster...but just the feeling that I'm in extreme danger.
     
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    Do you know if you have sleep apnea? I used to get anxiety dreams in which the anxiety seemed unrelated to the content of the dream (which is what I take you to mean by saying that your dreams are not "situational"). I eventually figured out that I was having them because my breathing passage was blocked. The problem has pretty much gone away since I have made a habit of sleeping always on my side and never, if I can avoid it, on my back.
     
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