Drilling is wasted effort

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Phil Ayesho, Sep 22, 2008.

  1. Phil Ayesho

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Feb 26, 2008
    Messages:
    5,595
    Likes Received:
    884
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    San Diego
    Good article in Scientific American concerning the Bush administrations idiocy at energy strategy- and the ongoing idiocy of McCAIN in supporting Drilling as the primary answer to energy.

    why the oil crisis will persist
     
  2. sargon20

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2006
    Messages:
    11,388
    Likes Received:
    2,128
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Atlantis
    A country that has 2% of the world's oil reserves yet consumes 25% of the world's oil is in for a huge huge massive reality check and no amount of drilling will change that.
     
    #2 sargon20, Sep 22, 2008
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2008
  3. D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2007
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    0

    BS, the mere mention of drilling brought oil prices down. we do not conume 25% of the world's oil. we account for 25% of the worlds demand for oil.

    I don't care how much money you thow into it. it will be at least 30 years before you're going to bring alternative energy source to the table. First you need to come up with a source that can satisfy our needs on a national level. then you have come up with a viable distribution channel. Ie cars that can run on alternative fuels. distribution centers and so on. then you have to bring it main stream and make it an affordable alternative. The sheer cost of retooling gas stations re training employees etc.alone will be a daunting at best. then you have have to get consumers to dump their investments (cars) for new vehicles that will run on the alternative energy source. recycleing bottles and platic is great a great idea too but what percentage actually do? Infact many municipalities pick up recyclable only to put them in landfillls. I'm just talking about transpotation here not to mentrion home heating etc.

    In the mean time if we were to start drilling today we would see relief in a few years to hold us over. for those who argure enviornmental costs keep this in mind. The US can drill more safely than any other country in the world. the more we oil we pull up for ourselves reduce the amount brought up from rouge nations who have no enviormental policies


    Without drilling now and I mean (yesterday) the price of gas will undermine our economy and shut our infastrusture down ( you're already see ing it) the only nations that will survive out those who control oil. Russia China, etc. Do you realize that China right now is working on drilling where we should be. Wake up to reality or prepare for for collapse.
     
    #3 D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III, Sep 22, 2008
    Last edited: Sep 22, 2008
  4. curious n str8

    curious n str8 New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    941
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The big AK
    Not to mention the relief on our deficit...
     
  5. D_Davy_Downspout

    D_Davy_Downspout Account Disabled

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2004
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    0
    Be honest, you didn't even read the article, did you?

    Hint: The US doesn't have a huge amount of oil offshore, and by the time it's brought to market in 15 years, it will be an even more insignificant % of world production that it would be if it was there today.

    The reason there was a ban was that the environmental downsides for such small gains make it a bad move.
     
  6. D_Davy_Downspout

    D_Davy_Downspout Account Disabled

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2004
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    0
    REPEAT AFTER ME:

    Untapped US oil reserves are not significant.
     
  7. curious n str8

    curious n str8 New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    941
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The big AK
    Thats why you tap them...to make them significant... Btw I'm not saying relay totally on oil for ever. I for one like to belive that were still the sleeping giant and We AMERICANS can do anything if we have too. :usa2: :usa:
     
  8. D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III

    Joined:
    Aug 18, 2007
    Messages:
    808
    Likes Received:
    0
    this is not about politics it's about survival. here's something for you to read.

    Energy | Perot Charts
     
  9. ripsrips

    Verified Gold Member

    Joined:
    Nov 5, 2006
    Messages:
    668
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    28
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Central Coast, CA
    Verified:
    Photo
    [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']Drill and at the same time work on alternative sources...to think we will ever in our lifetime be [FONT='Verdana','sans-serif']100%[/FONT] fossil fuel free is not naive it's STUPID.[/FONT]
     
  10. D_Davy_Downspout

    D_Davy_Downspout Account Disabled

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2004
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    0
    No, they are insignificant...but I don't think you know what "reserves" means.
    Oil reserves are the estimated quantities of crude oil that are claimed to be recoverable under existing economic and operating conditions.(wikipedia)


    Now looking at the graph I've linked, keep in mind that we use 25% of oil production for the world, currently.
     
  11. Notaguru2

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2008
    Messages:
    1,541
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Charleston, SC
    Drill baby drill.. fuck it. Palin just wants to redistribute revenue surplus from oil in Alaska to alaskans (is that socialism?)... so fuck it. Let the largest transfer of wealth begin. Look for Bush to be moving to Alaska when he leaves office.
     
  12. curious n str8

    curious n str8 New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    941
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The big AK
    If that were true she would have gave us even more money. I'll agree on the socialism part though. When will ppl learn Oil right now is wealth and money. I just want to see it used to help us out of this mess.
     
  13. D_Davy_Downspout

    D_Davy_Downspout Account Disabled

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2004
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    0
    There's really no way for the US to make a significant amount of money on drilling. The government should be throwing massive amounts of money at alternative energy and make us an industry leader in it.
     
  14. curious n str8

    curious n str8 New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    941
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The big AK
    And what of the money that we're spending on foreign oil? No savings there not to mention funding the terrorists in a round about way.
     
  15. Notaguru2

    Gold Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2008
    Messages:
    1,541
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Charleston, SC
    Well, if you do get on the gravy train... remember your good buddy, Guru... :O
     
  16. curious n str8

    curious n str8 New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    941
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The big AK
    LOL :beerchug2: No!!! Just move up to Alaska it is a beaudiful state and no place better to be when all hell breaks lose.
     
  17. D_Davy_Downspout

    D_Davy_Downspout Account Disabled

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2004
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    0
    The drilling would not significantly reduce our spending on foreign oil. I've shown you this, and you can research it yourself. I don't know how else to put it.

    Also we import the largest portion of our oil from Canada, not a terrorist regime. Actually, I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to connect buying oil form the Middle East to terrorism, unless you're trying to say that all Muslim's are terrorists, and that's pretty offensive.

    If you really want to impact terror funding, you could legalize opiates, and they'd be fairly well fucked.
     
  18. curious n str8

    curious n str8 New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    941
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The big AK
    Look are you living now or in the Future? How long would it take to develop and put to use any one of the alternative energy resources? Not today, not tomorrow, not neix week ,and not neix yr. Oil is now, oil is plentiful * here we just need you environmentalists to STFU. Let us drill the oil, get medieval on the car industry asses and have them produce better more efficient cars... same goes for the oil industry to help develop alternative energy. Hell we don't even have to drill off shore with Bakken formation in North Dakota and Montana PS. our economy is in the tank now let us hope it's not in the future when we can finally put to use of alternative energy. Bakken Formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  19. D_Davy_Downspout

    D_Davy_Downspout Account Disabled

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2004
    Messages:
    1,144
    Likes Received:
    0
    I AM USING LARGE FONT SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND. OIL FROM OFFSHORE DRILLING WILL NOT HIT THE MARKET FOR 10-15 YEARS AT A MINIMUM. WHEN IT DOES, IT WILL NOT BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT TO AFFECT OIL PRICES IN ANY MEANINGFUL WAY. IF WE HAD IT TODAY, IT WOULD STILL NOT BE SIGNIFICANT. OIL SHALE IS HARD TO GET TO AND EXPENSIVE, THE OIL COMPANIES ALREADY HAVE LEASES TO GET IT AND DON'T, IN ANY LARGE SCALE, FOR THAT REASON.

    The reason we don't do it now is because the damage to the environment is not justified by the meager oil deposits offshore...


    I'm not going to argue with you anymore, you are unwilling to listen to facts, or research them on your own. If you're not even going to try to have an informed debate, but would rather just use your own opinions and vague ideas instead, we can't get anywhere.
     
  20. curious n str8

    curious n str8 New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2005
    Messages:
    941
    Albums:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    The big AK
    Ok let us agree to disagree lol :beerchug2: But you know I'm right :feedback: anyone?
     
Draft saved Draft deleted