"Dude, You Should Wear a Towel"

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Following moderator discussion, we the team would like to remind the members of this thread of the ToS, specifically those dealing with hate speech:

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Several posts have crossed the line or come very close to it when putting forth opinions on certain male behaviour and the validity of women posting within the thread.
 

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I am very uncomfortable in locker rooms, but that's because I did swimming from when I was very young up until about 13. And the YMCA I went to didn't have separate children's locker rooms (amazing how places like this aren't just shut down.)
You might be interested to know that the YMCA was historically gender segregated, and not only did males of all ages share the locker room, but swimming nude was mandatory. The mandatory practice continued at least into the early 60's in virtually all locations, well into the 70's in many, and it was swimsuit optional in some well into the 80's. As far as I know, there was no more perviness than there is now. "amazing", isn't it? I can only imagine how traumatized you'd be in such a free and natural environment, where nudity was a non-issue.

It didn't help that I was forced into swimming in the first place, but the worst part about it was definitely the men who would try to sneak in looks, or purposely be naked in direct eyeline of the kids. So this is probably why I have trouble getting naked in locker rooms. I still feel eyes on me and I swear whenever I turn to check, there's always some guy turning his head away from me just as I look his way. I can totally understand why people are uncomfortable. Actually, when I see all these posts by mainly homosexual men who are knocking the young boys for not getting naked, it's kinda sick. I mean, seriously? How stereotypical is that - a gay man trying to shame a straight young boy into getting naked. You fuckers should be banned.
As I see it, there are just as many straight, predominantly straight, or 'undeclared' men here who laugh and shake their heads at the extreme behaviors some (mostly young) guys engage in to avoid being naked for a nanosecond (e.g., "towel dancing"). You sound like a paranoid homophobe with an overactive imagination, and maybe some body shame issues. You need to get over your damn self. Homophobic speech is not tolerated here, and ironically, that will get you banned.
 
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I am very uncomfortable in locker rooms, but that's because I did swimming from when I was very young up until about 13. And the YMCA I went to didn't have separate children's locker rooms (amazing how places like this aren't just shut down.) It didn't help that I was forced into swimming in the first place, but the worst part about it was definitely the men who would try to sneak in looks, or purposely be naked in direct eyeline of the kids. So this is probably why I have trouble getting naked in locker rooms. I still feel eyes on me and I swear whenever I turn to check, there's always some guy turning his head away from me just as I look his way. I can totally understand why people are uncomfortable. Actually, when I see all these posts by mainly homosexual men who are knocking the young boys for not getting naked, it's kinda sick. I mean, seriously? How stereotypical is that - a gay man trying to shame a straight young boy into getting naked. You fuckers should be banned.

I do, however, agree with the OP. Locker rooms aren't just for lockers. It's a place to get dressed. You gotta go in there expecting those things, and it's pretty selfish to demand that someone else wear a towel just so you don't want to see anything. On the other hand, everyone has a right to privacy. And for me, it's a right to safety as well. Don't trust the creepers.

Ok, maybe you should seek some type of counselling and discuss your thoughts and feelings and the way you class all people in the same light.

I also feel confused with your comment of feeling eyes on you at all times, yet you have very descriptive and naked pictures of you in your gallery on the internet which opens you up to billions of people and possibly some of the 'creeps' you write about. It may be good to discuss that with Counselling support too.
 

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To each his own. If this guy, kissesdownbelow, doesn't want to get naked because he thinks a creep might be checking him out--that's his right.

Maybe he phrased himself the wrong way. Poor way of expressing himself doesn't make the guy a homophobe. It's his body.

I'm surprised at how much back-and-forth this thread has gotten. What's there to discuss? It seems simple to me: if someone doesn't want to get naked in the locker room, that's his business. If someone doesn't have a problem with getting naked, that's his business. Who cares so much?

You can't tell someone to take the towel off or to keep it on.
 

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I have to say that I am surprised how strongly the feelings run about whether or not someone keeps his towel on or takes his towel off in the men's locker room. I am one who remains perplexed by the seemingly obsessive covering by some men with their towels in a setting where nudity is the norm, and the consternation that many of them seem to express as they try to keep their privates shielded from view distresses me. I don't particularly want to see their junk, but I do worry about the stress they put on themselves to keep it covered. I guess I figure that in a locker room, people are sometimes (perhaps often) naked, and if nudity freaked me out (my own or someone else's), then I'd probably find a different setting to change. I don't get why these guys are so upset by seeing some other man's genitalia, and I figure they can look away if they have chosen to put themselves in the setting where they have a good chance of seeing just that.

But the OP addressed behavior that is really stepping over the line, I think. For someone to tell a guy to put on a towel when he is changing clothes in a locker room is incredibly rude. It reminds me of the Emily Post question where a writer asks Ms. Post about what to do about someone ELSE'S perceived rude behavior at the table. Ms. Post remarked that it was far greater an offense against civility and etiquette to POINT OUT someone's perceived faulty behavior than it was for the person to err in a point of etiquette.

I'm not saying the OP was wrong for changing sans towel. Far from it. I am saying that the guy saying something about it was just plain rude.

One last comment...as for the numerous posts about boys raised by single mothers, I do want to say this. In discussions with my wife, I ascertained that the way that women act in locker rooms (generalizing here, of course) is significantly different than how men act (or have acted traditionally). My wife was shocked that men walked around openly nude in the locker room when I told her, and she admitted that she would never have even imagined that was the case. Had my boys been raised by just her, there is a good chance that they would have a different view of nudity in such places than they do as a result of my influence.

Numerous experiences changing in locker rooms at swimming pools, campgrounds, and the like while on vacations have taught my sons that it's NO BIG DEAL to be naked in a men's locker room. I helped condition them to understand that it was normal behavior; consequently, they think nothing of it. I'm guessing that if I'd not been there to communicate that concept, and if they had been raised only by their mother, they would perceive that differently. I don't see that as a criticism of women, but as an acknowledgement that, in many ways, males and females see the world differently. It helps boys growing up to have a male influence around so he can get a better understanding of that male world view.

Oh well, that's my two cents, for what they're worth.
 

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I know it has been told many times previously and probably better by other guys; but this strange lockerroom/showerroom behavior needs retelling: The young guys on the local swim team stand at their lockers and wrap a towel around them as they slip from jockies to swim suit. Then, they wear their swim suits in the shower , both before and after swimming and when they change back into their clothing at their lockers, they drape a towel around them while removing their bathing suit and slipping into jockies. If a naked guy walks into their area, whether it be in shower or at lockers, they stare at him as if the naked guy were out of order....snickers/giggles from them are not unusual. The thing I have often wondered is how they manage even to get their bodies dry after showering, the way they avoid exposing their bodies. I think this strange draping of the bodies has evolved over the past 10 years or so. What in the world ever has taken place?

The swim team at the gym I go to do the same towel dance, but I haven't noticed them staring or snickering at naked men. It's just amazing to me that they all wear speedos in front of each other which quite clearly give an indication of what everyone is packing, but then they have to go through this whole charade just so no one will see their wiener. Baffles me.

But, I do recognize everyone's right not to be naked in front of others if they don't want to be. Some may be uncomfortable with their body and some may be genuinely afraid of being checked out (whether they should be afraid is another issue).

However I think it's wrong to tell someone in a locker room of all places that they should cover up. The locker room is a place for getting changed. If you don't want to look, you don't have to. As long as no one's waving it in your face, I see no wrong done.
 
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I am one who remains perplexed by the seemingly obsessive covering by some men with their towels in a setting where nudity is the norm, and the consternation that many of them seem to express as they try to keep their privates shielded from view distresses me. I don't particularly want to see their junk, but I do worry about the stress they put on themselves to keep it covered. I guess I figure that in a locker room, people are sometimes (perhaps often) naked, and if nudity freaked me out (my own or someone else's), then I'd probably find a different setting to change. I don't get why these guys are so upset by seeing some other man's genitalia, and I figure they can look away if they have chosen to put themselves in the setting where they have a good chance of seeing just that.

Perfectly said! This is exactly how I feel with the overly modest types.

But the OP addressed behavior that is really stepping over the line, I think. For someone to tell a guy to put on a towel when he is changing clothes in a locker room is incredibly rude. It reminds me of the Emily Post question where a writer asks Ms. Post about what to do about someone ELSE'S perceived rude behavior at the table. Ms. Post remarked that it was far greater an offense against civility and etiquette to POINT OUT someone's perceived faulty behavior than it was for the person to err in a point of etiquette.

I'm not saying the OP was wrong for changing sans towel. Far from it. I am saying that the guy saying something about it was just plain rude.

Again, perfectly said. For a guy to tell another guy to cover up in a locker room is absurd beyond belief. Had he said that to me, I would have replied that it's a men's locker room and completely appropriate. I would have also told him to stop being such a girl. I said this to a boy once in the shower who was carrying on about me being naked while taking a shower. The other boys and his camp counsellor started to laugh at him and call him a girl as well. He was completely mortified and humiliated, and hopefully he learned a damned good lesson about locker/shower room ettiquette from that experience.

One last comment...as for the numerous posts about boys raised by single mothers, I do want to say this. In discussions with my wife, I ascertained that the way that women act in locker rooms (generalizing here, of course) is significantly different than how men act (or have acted traditionally). My wife was shocked that men walked around openly nude in the locker room when I told her, and she admitted that she would never have even imagined that was the case. Had my boys been raised by just her, there is a good chance that they would have a different view of nudity in such places than they do as a result of my influence.

My wife and I had the exact same discussion, and her reaction was the exact same as your wife. Women and men are coming at this issue from completely different perspectives. A boy needs a man's influence and perspective in this area. I'm quite sure the boy that I humiliated (see above comment from me) came from a single parent family lacking a strong male influence to carry on the way that he did about me being naked in a shower. With divorce rates at 50% nowadays, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Numerous experiences changing in locker rooms at swimming pools, campgrounds, and the like while on vacations have taught my sons that it's NO BIG DEAL to be naked in a men's locker room. I helped condition them to understand that it was normal behavior; consequently, they think nothing of it. I'm guessing that if I'd not been there to communicate that concept, and if they had been raised only by their mother, they would perceive that differently. I don't see that as a criticism of women, but as an acknowledgement that, in many ways, males and females see the world differently. It helps boys growing up to have a male influence around so he can get a better understanding of that male world view.

I applaud your parenting skills and for being such a strong positive role model for your sons. I lacked that growing up, so I had to learn these things for myself as I grew up.
 

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I am very uncomfortable in locker rooms, but that's because I did swimming from when I was very young up until about 13. And the YMCA I went to didn't have separate children's locker rooms (amazing how places like this aren't just shut down.) It didn't help that I was forced into swimming in the first place, but the worst part about it was definitely the men who would try to sneak in looks, or purposely be naked in direct eyeline of the kids. So this is probably why I have trouble getting naked in locker rooms.
But you are willing to post 67 nude pics & 8 vids. Never seen a separate children's locker room for a pool, you have strange issues man.
 

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I wonder if it's a cultural thing, some people think that there is a right way to look and only if you look certain way you can wear, do and speak certain things.
The japanese, eastern europeans & scandanavians dont seem to have a problem. They have used bath houses/saunas for centuries for all age groups for ritual cleansing & some socialisation.
 

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Young men see penises more than ever with the wide availability of porn on the Internet. I'm not sure why so many dudes under 35 have such issues with the MALE nudity. There is homophobia or jealously in play here, or both. Perhaps some young men are serious body issues and take it out on other "naked" males in the locker room. A normal male, though, should never be weired out by another man's genitalia unless it's grossly unattractive.

I am proud of my penis and scrotum. It is the center of what makes me male. And my wish is that all men are proud of their manhoods, no matter their size.


Vive le pénis, grand ou petit!
 

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Young men see penises more than ever with the wide availability of porn on the Internet.
I think this is a big part of the equation, they're afraid they don't "measure up" compared to porn images.
You see that insecurity expressed in postings all over this site, and it seems the younger they are, the more insecure they are. Add to that the fact that these generations have grown up deprived of common locker room experiences in sports and PE, where nudity was expected, natural, and innocent. Complicating it further, they've come of age in an environment of media-hyped hysteria over child sexual predators and taught to be unreasonably paranoid about "perverts" lurking everywhere.

It's little wonder they're so fucked up about someone seeing them naked.
 
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I am by no means a towel dancer but a towel around my waist usually accompanies me on my walks to and from the shower. I have no problems being naked in the company of others (be it men or women) but my main reason for doing so is that I acknowledge that not everyone wants to see my dick flapping about. This minority is likely small but it doesn't mean that they should go without simple consideration.

More recently I have come to the realization that having my dick pierced changes the game a little bit and adds another interesting element to the mix. Guys, dicks and locker rooms are fine, but with something so uncommon and frank a tad shocking to some, I figure not everyone wants to see my now pierced dick flapping about. Since the gym I frequent also shares its locker room with the adjoining public pool, I generally do it out of consideration for the parents of questioning children wondering why my dick has a ring through it or generally looks "different" (which luckily no child has been vocal/blunt about it).

All of this said, I change in the buff when seated by my locker and haven't had any issues. Takes all of two minutes to dry off and put my pants on.
 

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I think this is a big part of the equation, they're afraid they don't "measure up" compared to porn images.
You see that insecurity expressed in postings all over this site, and it seems the younger they are, the more insecure they are. Add to that the fact that these generations have grown up deprived of common locker room experiences in sports and PE, where nudity was expected, natural, and innocent. Complicating it further, they've come of age in an environment of media-hyped hysteria over child sexual predators and taught to be unreasonably paranoid about "perverts" lurking everywhere.

It's little wonder they're so fucked up about someone seeing them naked.

Yes, you're so right: All those porn images, I think, are making young men feel that a long, winding snake (an "anaconda", if you will) is supposed to appear when they drop their drawers in the locker room; so, as they're almost sure one isn't going to, they cover up, and wish that others do the same to eliminate "hard-to-swallow" competition (pardon the pun).

Years ago, ironically, homophobia wasn't as much an issue in the locker room, as it was a just a place to dress/shower/undress. The place wasn't perceived in general as a place where men sexually prey on men (yes, that "innocence"). Nowadays, things are just very different.

Technically-speaking, it is a combination of many things which has lead to this phenomenon (as said before): homophobia, potential jealously, body issues (mainly from porn), lack of "locker room" naiveté, etc.
 

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guys who don't wanna see dick shouldn't go in locker rooms.

or maybe they should just relax and realize that you can't change clothes, shower, etc., without getting naked at some point, even if it's just for a minute.

doing the "towel dance," to my mind, is a sign of immaturity. i have seen a lot of dicks in my day, and i saw most of them in casual circumstances like gyms, men's bathrooms, college dorms, saunas, and so on. if you're gonna go to places like those, you can't avoid catching a glimpse of other dudes' junk. so the fuck what?

grow up or stay home, where you can be secure in the knowledge that nobody will ever see your precious pud.
 

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guys who don't wanna see dick shouldn't go in locker rooms.

or maybe they should just relax and realize that you can't change clothes, shower, etc., without getting naked at some point, even if it's just for a minute.

doing the "towel dance," to my mind, is a sign of immaturity. i have seen a lot of dicks in my day, and i saw most of them in casual circumstances like gyms, men's bathrooms, college dorms, saunas, and so on. if you're gonna go to places like those, you can't avoid catching a glimpse of other dudes' junk. so the fuck what?

grow up or stay home, where you can be secure in the knowledge that nobody will ever see your precious pud.

right on bro, well stated
 

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I think this is a big part of the equation, they're afraid they don't "measure up" compared to porn images.
More likely its the sexualisation of the male image.

Until 15 year ago the average guy would never see male nude images, the only time would be indirectly in porn videos. Now the sheer volume of all types of porn and subsequently male nudity is astounding, you can stream it on the net all day long and never see the same image twice. Plus you see semi-nude models on billboards. Add to this the rise in gym culture and getting the unattainable physique.
 
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More likely its the sexualisation of the male image.

Until 15 year ago the average guy would never see male nude images, the only time would be indirectly in porn videos. Now the sheer volume of all types of porn and subsequently male nudity is astounding, you can stream it on the net all day long and never see the same image twice. Plus you see semi-nude models on billboards. Add to this the rise in gym culture and getting the unattainable physique.

Again and again, I don't see guys ANYWHERE in the US hiding their BODIES, including the young, hairy and cellulite-ridden ones, no, not even in the co-ed areas where hot chicks abound.

It is all about THE DICK, and almost exclusively THE DICK.

At one of my new gyms, I have seen the worst cases of towel-dancing and shower-curtain-stapling. But many of those guys still will strip naked before hitting the showers, when they can face a corner and only expose their behind.
 

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There is so much explicit male nudity on the Internet these days that it has indeed made young men feel very, very uncomfortable with their bodies; and so much so that now men don't feel they can measure up to the male meat they see in cyberspace, leaving them with body complexes like women have suffered for so long (just not talked about).

Although online porn is a lot of it, the media as well as magazines show much more male skin than ever before. That leads to body insecurities in itself.

Men are still not sexually objectified in the same manner as women in society, but the gap has narrowed considerably in the past 10-20 years and continues daily with cyberspace porn. Even so, it will take a few more light years to catch up with women. So I highly doubt we will revert to the days of Ancient Greece and Rome any time soon, when male beauty was as sought after as female beauty (even more so).